Nearly Half of MS Republicans Believe Interracial Marriage Should be Illegal

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

In regards to racial relations, here is an interesting tidbit:

Republicans in Congress actually supported the two most important civil rights bills on record, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, in higher percentages than Democrats did. In the House, 80 percent of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act, compared with only 63 percent of Democrats. In the Senate, 82 percent of Republicans supported the legislation, compared with 69 percent of Democrats.

Theokhoth

Yep, this was when the Republicans were the more liberal of the two parties. The parties then made an ideological switch in the seventies, resulting in Democrats being for individual freedom (hence why black people are more likely to vote Dem) and Republicans. . .not.

:lol:

My lord, how can people really believe this much in the mostly superficial dichotomy between republicans and democrats?

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

In regards to racial relations, here is an interesting tidbit:

Republicans in Congress actually supported the two most important civil rights bills on record, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, in higher percentages than Democrats did. In the House, 80 percent of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act, compared with only 63 percent of Democrats. In the Senate, 82 percent of Republicans supported the legislation, compared with 69 percent of Democrats.

fueled-system

Yep, this was when the Republicans were the more liberal of the two parties. The parties then made an ideological switch in the seventies, resulting in Democrats being for individual freedom (hence why black people are more likely to vote Dem) and Republicans. . .not.

nice generalization of all republicans and black voters

It is a fact that black voters are more likely to vote Dem. As for the Republican Party, all one has to do is take a gander at their policies for the past forty or so years to see that they're against individual freedom. . .or is it the Repubs that are for gay rights, and the Dems the ones trying to redefine rape?

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[QUOTE="LoseEagles1245"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

In regards to racial relations, here is an interesting tidbit:

Republicans in Congress actually supported the two most important civil rights bills on record, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, in higher percentages than Democrats did. In the House, 80 percent of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act, compared with only 63 percent of Democrats. In the Senate, 82 percent of Republicans supported the legislation, compared with 69 percent of Democrats.

sonicare

Well the South was Democratic until the 60's and the parties basically switched because of Civil Rights. The Democrats of today have very little in common with the Democrats of the past.

Yes, but what do southern democrats think? This poll is all nice and such, but it takes things out of context. What percentage of mississippit democrats view interracial marriage as illegal? That would help put things into context as opposed to simply presenting only one side. And were these 400 republicans a random sampling, or did the survey taker simply stop off at a KKK meeting and take a poll there?

I had no idea Mississippi had a democratic party. Also why has nobody picked up the couple of people who said they were "Very Liberal". Yet are Republicans. In Mississippi. Those guys are the real wackos here.
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[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Yep, this was when the Republicans were the more liberal of the two parties. The parties then made an ideological switch in the seventies, resulting in Democrats being for individual freedom (hence why black people are more likely to vote Dem) and Republicans. . .not.

surrealnumber5

nice generalization of all republicans and black voters

you expect an accurate post by one of the most leftist posters on all of GS? he only posts on party lines and empty arguments

Wait a minute. I thought you told me the other day that you don't insult progressives, but only attack progressive policies.

This post would seem to contradict that.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

In regards to racial relations, here is an interesting tidbit:

Republicans in Congress actually supported the two most important civil rights bills on record, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, in higher percentages than Democrats did. In the House, 80 percent of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act, compared with only 63 percent of Democrats. In the Senate, 82 percent of Republicans supported the legislation, compared with 69 percent of Democrats.

Rhazakna

Yep, this was when the Republicans were the more liberal of the two parties. The parties then made an ideological switch in the seventies, resulting in Democrats being for individual freedom (hence why black people are more likely to vote Dem) and Republicans. . .not.

:lol:

My lord, how can people really believe this much in the mostly superficial dichotomy between republicans and democrats?

Democrats generally support:

Marriage equality (and equal rights for lgbt citizens in general)

Freedom of religious expression (particularly for Muslims)

Equal pay for women in the workforce

Union rights

Are you saying Republicans generally support these too?

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[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Yep, this was when the Republicans were the more liberal of the two parties. The parties then made an ideological switch in the seventies, resulting in Democrats being for individual freedom (hence why black people are more likely to vote Dem) and Republicans. . .not.

surrealnumber5

nice generalization of all republicans and black voters

you expect an accurate post by one of the most leftist posters on all of GS? he only posts on party lines and empty arguments

I'm sorry; I couldn't hear you over the sound of your glass house shattering.
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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Yep, this was when the Republicans were the more liberal of the two parties. The parties then made an ideological switch in the seventies, resulting in Democrats being for individual freedom (hence why black people are more likely to vote Dem) and Republicans. . .not.

Theokhoth

:lol:

My lord, how can people really believe this much in the mostly superficial dichotomy between republicans and democrats?

Democrats generally support:

Marriage equality (and equal rights for lgbt citizens in general)

Freedom of religious expression (particularly for Muslims)

Equal pay for women in the workforce

Union rights

Are you saying Republicans generally support these too?

To be fair, Democrats have their own issues when it comes to personal freedoms.

For instance, some of them do try to find different ways of compromising people's right to bear arms.

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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Yep, this was when the Republicans were the more liberal of the two parties. The parties then made an ideological switch in the seventies, resulting in Democrats being for individual freedom (hence why black people are more likely to vote Dem) and Republicans. . .not.

Theokhoth

:lol:

My lord, how can people really believe this much in the mostly superficial dichotomy between republicans and democrats?

Democrats generally support:

Marriage equality (and equal rights for lgbt citizens in general)

Freedom of religious expression (particularly for Muslims)

Equal pay for women in the workforce

Union rights

Are you saying Republicans generally support these too?

Those aren't the only issues that center around individual freedoms. :|

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#59 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

:lol:

My lord, how can people really believe this much in the mostly superficial dichotomy between republicans and democrats?

GreySeal9

Democrats generally support:

Marriage equality (and equal rights for lgbt citizens in general)

Freedom of religious expression (particularly for Muslims)

Equal pay for women in the workforce

Union rights

Are you saying Republicans generally support these too?

To be fair, Democrats have their own issues when it comes to personal freedoms.

For instance, some of them do try to find different ways of compromising people's right to bear arms.

Granted, but their problem list is a helluva lot shorter.
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[QUOTE="LoseEagles1245"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

In regards to racial relations, here is an interesting tidbit:

Republicans in Congress actually supported the two most important civil rights bills on record, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, in higher percentages than Democrats did. In the House, 80 percent of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act, compared with only 63 percent of Democrats. In the Senate, 82 percent of Republicans supported the legislation, compared with 69 percent of Democrats.

sonicare

Well the South was Democratic until the 60's and the parties basically switched because of Civil Rights. The Democrats of today have very little in common with the Democrats of the past.

Yes, but what do southern democrats think? This poll is all nice and such, but it takes things out of context. What percentage of mississippit democrats view interracial marriage as illegal? That would help put things into context as opposed to simply presenting only one side. And were these 400 republicans a random sampling, or did the survey taker simply stop off at a KKK meeting and take a poll there?

The poll was done by Public Policy Polling which is one of the most respected polling organizations in the country, so there obviously not just asking KKK members their opinions.

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#61 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

[QUOTE="LoseEagles1245"] Well the South was Democratic until the 60's and the parties basically switched because of Civil Rights. The Democrats of today have very little in common with the Democrats of the past.

LoseEagles1245

Yes, but what do southern democrats think? This poll is all nice and such, but it takes things out of context. What percentage of mississippit democrats view interracial marriage as illegal? That would help put things into context as opposed to simply presenting only one side. And were these 400 republicans a random sampling, or did the survey taker simply stop off at a KKK meeting and take a poll there?

The poll was done by Public Policy Polling which is one of the most respected polling organizations in the country, so there obviously not just asking KKK members their opinions.

Be nice to know how they took their sample, though.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

:lol:

My lord, how can people really believe this much in the mostly superficial dichotomy between republicans and democrats?

sonicare

Democrats generally support:

Marriage equality (and equal rights for lgbt citizens in general)

Freedom of religious expression (particularly for Muslims)

Equal pay for women in the workforce

Union rights

Are you saying Republicans generally support these too?

Those aren't the only issues that center around individual freedoms. :|

Nope, there's also: Access to healthcare Mandated minimum wage Freedom from discrimination Higher education Clearly, the Republicans support all of these too.
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I mostly agree with the Tea Party (except for the fringe Tea Partiers), and I totally disagree with this poll.
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Democrats generally support:

Marriage equality (and equal rights for lgbt citizens in general)

Freedom of religious expression (particularly for Muslims)

Equal pay for women in the workforce

Union rights

Are you saying Republicans generally support these too?

Theokhoth

Those aren't the only issues that center around individual freedoms. :|

Nope, there's also: Access to healthcare Mandated minimum wage Freedom from discrimination Higher education Clearly, the Republicans support all of these too.

Most of those have nothing to do with individual freedoms. Most of those are social issues. You seem to be getting them very confused. :|

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Ok let me try to actually respond to the real topic and not be in la-la land I was in ealier.

A lot of Republicans and Democrats follow the mentality "if I don't understand or agree with it, it should be outlawed." You can name a lot of policies and beliefs that follow this. For example a few are: smoking, drinking, gun owning, marijuana use, porn... Just some stuff off of the top of my head.

I couldn't imagine myself marrying a woman outside of my own race. I have nothing against them at all, but the cultural differences that are very likely to be present will make it difficult for me to really connect with them. Some races more than others.

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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Yep, this was when the Republicans were the more liberal of the two parties. The parties then made an ideological switch in the seventies, resulting in Democrats being for individual freedom (hence why black people are more likely to vote Dem) and Republicans. . .not.

Theokhoth

:lol:

My lord, how can people really believe this much in the mostly superficial dichotomy between republicans and democrats?

Democrats generally support:

Marriage equality (and equal rights for lgbt citizens in general)

Freedom of religious expression (particularly for Muslims)

Equal pay for women in the workforce

Union rights

Are you saying Republicans generally support these too?

No, I'm saying the economic and foreign policies of the two parties have been largely identical, with the differences mostly being decided by different lobby groups. The economics are a shifting balance between supply-side and Keynesian economics (though never a shift, really), and the foreign policy is interventionism. I could make a similar list of what republicans support, clothe it in rhetoric, and claim they're for "individual freedom". I won't do this because I loathe republicans.
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="sonicare"] Those aren't the only issues that center around individual freedoms. :|

sonicare

Nope, there's also: Access to healthcare Mandated minimum wage Freedom from discrimination Higher education Clearly, the Republicans support all of these too.

Most of those have nothing to do with individual freedoms. Most of those are social issues. You seem to be getting them very confused. :|

the formula of a line is y=mx+b but some times its nice to add extra variable and still call it a line.
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="sonicare"] Those aren't the only issues that center around individual freedoms. :|

sonicare

Nope, there's also: Access to healthcare Mandated minimum wage Freedom from discrimination Higher education Clearly, the Republicans support all of these too.

Most of those have nothing to do with individual freedoms. Most of those are social issues. You seem to be getting them very confused. :|

Individual freedom isn't a social issue now?
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Democrats generally support:

Marriage equality (and equal rights for lgbt citizens in general)

Freedom of religious expression (particularly for Muslims)

Equal pay for women in the workforce

Union rights

Are you saying Republicans generally support these too?

Theokhoth

Those aren't the only issues that center around individual freedoms. :|

Nope, there's also: Access to healthcare Mandated minimum wage Freedom from discrimination Higher education Clearly, the Republicans support all of these too.

I like how all these issues are apparently self-evidently correct.
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Ok let me try to actually respond to the real topic and not be in la-la land I was in ealier.

A lot of Republicans and Democrats follow the mentality "if I don't understand or agree with it, it should be outlawed." You can name a lot of policies and beliefs that follow this. For example a few are: smoking, drinking, gun owning, marijuana use, porn... Just some stuff off of the top of my head.

I couldn't imagine myself marrying a woman outside of my own race. I have nothing against them at all, but the cultural differences that are very likely to be present will make it difficult for me to really connect with them. Some races more than others.

Wasdie
That's fine that you feel that way, but would you want to make it illegal for two people of different races to get married? Because that's whats disturbing about this poll. People can choose to not want to date another race, but making it illegal for other people to practice? That's incredibly racist.
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Can we start naming individual freedoms republicans are for that dems are against? Least we can get some back and forth goin', instead of "you're wrong :|"
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="sonicare"] Those aren't the only issues that center around individual freedoms. :|

Rhazakna

Nope, there's also: Access to healthcare Mandated minimum wage Freedom from discrimination Higher education Clearly, the Republicans support all of these too.

I like how all these issues are apparently self-evidently correct.

must have been they are all over the deceleration of independence right under "we hold these truths to be self-evident"

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="sonicare"] Those aren't the only issues that center around individual freedoms. :|

Rhazakna

Nope, there's also: Access to healthcare Mandated minimum wage Freedom from discrimination Higher education Clearly, the Republicans support all of these too.

I like how all these issues are apparently self-evidently correct.

My mistake; I should have left open the possibility that they are actually bad things.

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[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]Can we start naming individual freedoms republicans are for that dems are against? Least we can get some back and forth goin', instead of "you're wrong :|"

We have guns so far.
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Ok let me try to actually respond to the real topic and not be in la-la land I was in ealier.

A lot of Republicans and Democrats follow the mentality "if I don't understand or agree with it, it should be outlawed." You can name a lot of policies and beliefs that follow this. For example a few are: smoking, drinking, gun owning, marijuana use, porn... Just some stuff off of the top of my head.

I couldn't imagine myself marrying a woman outside of my own race. I have nothing against them at all, but the cultural differences that are very likely to be present will make it difficult for me to really connect with them. Some races more than others.

Wasdie

Well to be fair, with the exception of porn, the other examples you listed are often opposed from a standpoint of negative externalities (for example, second hand smoke, drunk driving, etc.), which is a little different from a purely moral opposition to interracial marriage.

Not to say that people don't oppose smoking/drinking/etc. for moral reasons, of course.

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Nope, there's also: Access to healthcare Mandated minimum wage Freedom from discrimination Higher education Clearly, the Republicans support all of these too.Theokhoth

Most of those have nothing to do with individual freedoms. Most of those are social issues. You seem to be getting them very confused. :|

Individual freedom isn't a social issue now?

I have no idea where you are going with this. Most of the things you listed such as access to healthcare, minimum wage, public education have nothing to do with specific individual freedoms. Those are more public policy issues. Things that deal with individual freedoms are issues like gun ownership, abortion, the right to practice religion, drug use, being able to put a toy in your happy meal, etc. Public funding, tax rates, etc, generally are not considered individual freedom issues.

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Can we start naming individual freedoms republicans are for that dems are against? Least we can get some back and forth goin', instead of "you're wrong :|"UCF_Knight
"Individual freedom" is a buzzword with very little meaning in actual debate. It's claimed by the left and right, and assigned to opposite policies. Ideas need to be more than rhetoric and buzzwords.

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Ok let me try to actually respond to the real topic and not be in la-la land I was in ealier.

A lot of Republicans and Democrats follow the mentality "if I don't understand or agree with it, it should be outlawed." You can name a lot of policies and beliefs that follow this. For example a few are: smoking, drinking, gun owning, marijuana use, porn... Just some stuff off of the top of my head.

I couldn't imagine myself marrying a woman outside of my own race. I have nothing against them at all, but the cultural differences that are very likely to be present will make it difficult for me to really connect with them. Some races more than others.

chessmaster1989

Well to be fair, with the exception of porn, the other examples you listed are often opposed from a standpoint of negative externalities (for example, second hand smoke, drunk driving, etc.), which is a little different from a purely moral opposition to interracial marriage.

Not to say that people don't oppose smoking/drinking/etc. for moral reasons, of course.

Don't forget that too much masturbation leads to blindness, so porn should be outlawed.

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[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Yep, this was when the Republicans were the more liberal of the two parties. The parties then made an ideological switch in the seventies, resulting in Democrats being for individual freedom (hence why black people are more likely to vote Dem) and Republicans. . .not.

surrealnumber5

nice generalization of all republicans and black voters

you expect an accurate post by one of the most leftist posters on all of GS? he only posts on party lines and empty arguments

Oh boy, OT sure has gotten a lot smarter since I left.

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Ok let me try to actually respond to the real topic and not be in la-la land I was in ealier.

A lot of Republicans and Democrats follow the mentality "if I don't understand or agree with it, it should be outlawed." You can name a lot of policies and beliefs that follow this. For example a few are: smoking, drinking, gun owning, marijuana use, porn... Just some stuff off of the top of my head.

I couldn't imagine myself marrying a woman outside of my own race. I have nothing against them at all, but the cultural differences that are very likely to be present will make it difficult for me to really connect with them. Some races more than others.

LoseEagles1245

That's fine that you feel that way, but would you want to make it illegal for two people of different races to get married? Because that's whats disturbing about this poll. People can choose to not want to date another race, but making it illegal for other people to practice? That's incredibly racist.

Not at all. I'm just saying there are people on both sides who have that mentality. Instead of tolerate, they just want to eliminate.

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It is Mississippi after all. Unless MS means something else.CRS98

I always knew Microsoft was racist.

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Ok let me try to actually respond to the real topic and not be in la-la land I was in ealier.

A lot of Republicans and Democrats follow the mentality "if I don't understand or agree with it, it should be outlawed." You can name a lot of policies and beliefs that follow this. For example a few are: smoking, drinking, gun owning, marijuana use, porn... Just some stuff off of the top of my head.

I couldn't imagine myself marrying a woman outside of my own race. I have nothing against them at all, but the cultural differences that are very likely to be present will make it difficult for me to really connect with them. Some races more than others.

LoseEagles1245

Well to be fair, with the exception of porn, the other examples you listed are often opposed from a standpoint of negative externalities (for example, second hand smoke, drunk driving, etc.), which is a little different from a purely moral opposition to interracial marriage.

Not to say that people don't oppose smoking/drinking/etc. for moral reasons, of course.

Don't forget that too much masturbation leads to blindness, so porn should be outlawed.

Even were that true, that's not a negative externality.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

:lol:

My lord, how can people really believe this much in the mostly superficial dichotomy between republicans and democrats?

Rhazakna

Democrats generally support:

Marriage equality (and equal rights for lgbt citizens in general)

Freedom of religious expression (particularly for Muslims)

Equal pay for women in the workforce

Union rights

Are you saying Republicans generally support these too?

No, I'm saying the economic and foreign policies of the two parties have been largely identical, with the differences mostly being decided by different lobby groups. The economics are a shifting balance between supply-side and Keynesian economics (though never a shift, really), and the foreign policy is interventionism. I could make a similar list of what republicans support, clothe it in rhetoric, and claim they're for "individual freedom". I won't do this because I loathe republicans.

I think that's very well put. A lot of the supposed differences between the two parties aren't as gigantic as we'd be lead to believe. The US foreign policy over the last 20 years hasn't been all that different despite having both republican and democrat presidents and various majorities in congress.

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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]Can we start naming individual freedoms republicans are for that dems are against? Least we can get some back and forth goin', instead of "you're wrong :|"

"Individual freedom" is a buzzword with very little meaning in actual debate. It's claimed by the left and right, and assigned to opposite policies. Ideas need to be more than rhetoric buzzwords.

Personal liberties? Things people are allowed to do? I don't care too much about the wording, but nobody has exactly contradicted what was said earlier. I'm not even primarily on one side or another, but if people are going to dispute what the TC said, I would at least like to see reasoning why.
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

In regards to racial relations, here is an interesting tidbit:

Republicans in Congress actually supported the two most important civil rights bills on record, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, in higher percentages than Democrats did. In the House, 80 percent of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act, compared with only 63 percent of Democrats. In the Senate, 82 percent of Republicans supported the legislation, compared with 69 percent of Democrats.

Rhazakna

Yep, this was when the Republicans were the more liberal of the two parties. The parties then made an ideological switch in the seventies, resulting in Democrats being for individual freedom (hence why black people are more likely to vote Dem) and Republicans. . .not.

:lol:

My lord, how can people really believe this much in the mostly superficial dichotomy between republicans and democrats?

In case you're not joking, democrats are more socially liberal than republicans. Being socially liberal is about individual freedom.

Not that hard to understand.

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[QUOTE="LoseEagles1245"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Well to be fair, with the exception of porn, the other examples you listed are often opposed from a standpoint of negative externalities (for example, second hand smoke, drunk driving, etc.), which is a little different from a purely moral opposition to interracial marriage.

Not to say that people don't oppose smoking/drinking/etc. for moral reasons, of course.

chessmaster1989

Don't forget that too much masturbation leads to blindness, so porn should be outlawed.

Even were that true, that's not a negative externality.

Blind driving can be just as deadly as drunk driving.
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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Yep, this was when the Republicans were the more liberal of the two parties. The parties then made an ideological switch in the seventies, resulting in Democrats being for individual freedom (hence why black people are more likely to vote Dem) and Republicans. . .not.

jaydough

:lol:

My lord, how can people really believe this much in the mostly superficial dichotomy between republicans and democrats?

In case you're not joking, democrats are more socially liberal than republicans. Being socially liberal is about individual freedom.

Not that hard to understand.

individual freedoms such as what you can and cannot eat for lunch?
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I couldn't imagine myself marrying a woman outside of my own race. I have nothing against them at all, but the cultural differences that are very likely to be present will make it difficult for me to really connect with them. Some races more than others.

Wasdie

You can't be serious. There must be some sort of punch line I'm missing here.

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Wow, and people wonder why same-sex marriage is so hard to pass in this country.
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[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

:lol:

My lord, how can people really believe this much in the mostly superficial dichotomy between republicans and democrats?

surrealnumber5

In case you're not joking, democrats are more socially liberal than republicans. Being socially liberal is about individual freedom.

Not that hard to understand.

individual freedoms such as what you can and cannot eat for lunch?

In a nutshell, yeah.

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I couldn't imagine myself marrying a woman outside of my own race. I have nothing against them at all, but the cultural differences that are very likely to be present will make it difficult for me to really connect with them. Some races more than others.

Wasdie

If you're from roughly the same location with roughly the same upbringing, (which you probably would be, if you were considering marrying the person) you would have roughly the same cultural identity.

I just couldn't imagine marrying outside of my race because I'm shallow and base a great deal of my thoughts on appearance.

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I couldn't imagine myself marrying a woman outside of my own race. I have nothing against them at all, but the cultural differences that are very likely to be present will make it difficult for me to really connect with them. Some races more than others.

cybrcatter

You can't be serious. There must be some sort of punch line I'm missing here.

I don't think he's being a racist by seeing that. A lot of people marry within their race because they are more comfortable or familiar with that ethnic/racial group. If you grew up a certain way, then it's easier to associate with others who grew up the same way. That's often why many immigrant communties form up when going to new countries - they group together because their ways are similar and they are more comfortable with that. It doesn't mean they dislike other groups, just that they dont know as much about them.

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[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]Can we start naming individual freedoms republicans are for that dems are against? Least we can get some back and forth goin', instead of "you're wrong :|"

"Individual freedom" is a buzzword with very little meaning in actual debate. It's claimed by the left and right, and assigned to opposite policies. Ideas need to be more than rhetoric buzzwords.

Personal liberties? Things people are allowed to do? I don't care too much about the wording, but nobody has exactly contradicted what was said earlier. I'm not even primarily on one side or another, but if people are going to dispute what the TC said, I would at least like to see reasoning why.

The term "individual freedom" is applied to both negative rights and positive rights. Opposite issues. Some think its is freedom from the state, others think it's the freedom to have the state give you things. It's easy to see that the term is just a way for people to inflate their own opinions by claiming they're for "individual freedom". Freedom is clearly subjective.
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what ever happened to the constitutional rights! and freedom ! whats going on same sex mariages are one thing but now interratioall marrages illegal ,ya ok give me a break this wont end to well

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I couldn't imagine myself marrying a woman outside of my own race. I have nothing against them at all, but the cultural differences that are very likely to be present will make it difficult for me to really connect with them. Some races more than others.

cybrcatter

You can't be serious. There must be some sort of punch line I'm missing here.

It's actually quite a common thing where people would not be comfortable marrying outside of their race.

Not saying it doesn't happen, im just saying the truth. I would rather understand my own thoughts than trying to live to some "perfect" human that is dreamed up in an online fantasy.

I'm using race as kind of a vessile for culture. I would have a very hard time marrying somebody from the south or who was raised in a major city on the coasts. I can't see myself connecting with that culture.

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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Yep, this was when the Republicans were the more liberal of the two parties. The parties then made an ideological switch in the seventies, resulting in Democrats being for individual freedom (hence why black people are more likely to vote Dem) and Republicans. . .not.

jaydough

:lol:

My lord, how can people really believe this much in the mostly superficial dichotomy between republicans and democrats?

In case you're not joking, democrats are more socially liberal than republicans. Being socially liberal is about individual freedom.

Not that hard to understand.

As I said, freedom is subjective. Are you talking about negative rights or positive rights? Or some sort of balance? If there's a balance, which take precedence in what areas? The concept of freedom is far more complex than " democrats are more socially liberal than republicans. Being socially liberal is about individual freedom."
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[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I couldn't imagine myself marrying a woman outside of my own race. I have nothing against them at all, but the cultural differences that are very likely to be present will make it difficult for me to really connect with them. Some races more than others.

sonicare

You can't be serious. There must be some sort of punch line I'm missing here.

I don't think he's being a racist by seeing that. A lot of people marry within their race because they are more comfortable or familiar with that ethnic/racial group. If you grew up a certain way, then it's easier to associate with others who grew up the same way. That's often why many immigrant communties form up when going to new countries - they group together because their ways are similar and they are more comfortable with that. It doesn't mean they dislike other groups, just that they dont know as much about them.

I think you're confusing race with the community you're brought up in.

Being of a different race doesn't correlate with upbringing as much as the people around your upbringing do; if the community you're in finds raising you in one way to be fine, you're more likely to be raised in that way. If you've met and know each other well, it's likely that you were both brought up in the same community, and would have roughly the same upbringing.

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Ok let me try to actually respond to the real topic and not be in la-la land I was in ealier.

A lot of Republicans and Democrats follow the mentality "if I don't understand or agree with it, it should be outlawed." You can name a lot of policies and beliefs that follow this. For example a few are: smoking, drinking, gun owning, marijuana use, porn... Just some stuff off of the top of my head.

I couldn't imagine myself marrying a woman outside of my own race. I have nothing against them at all, but the cultural differences that are very likely to be present will make it difficult for me to really connect with them. Some races more than others.

Wasdie
Your race has absolutely no bearing on what culture you'll have. Your culture is ingrained by how and where you grew up, it isn't dependent on what color your skin is. Assuming you're a white male, what cultural gap can't you bridge with a black female who grew up in the same conditions and environments as yourself?
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[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"] "Individual freedom" is a buzzword with very little meaning in actual debate. It's claimed by the left and right, and assigned to opposite policies. Ideas need to be more than rhetoric buzzwords.Rhazakna
Personal liberties? Things people are allowed to do? I don't care too much about the wording, but nobody has exactly contradicted what was said earlier. I'm not even primarily on one side or another, but if people are going to dispute what the TC said, I would at least like to see reasoning why.

The term "individual freedom" is applied to both negative rights and positive rights. Opposite issues. Some think its is freedom from the state, others think it's the freedom to have the state give you things. It's easy to see that the term is just a way for people to inflate their own opinions by claiming they're for "individual freedom". Freedom is clearly subjective.

Agreed with the above poster on all of his posts in the thread.

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Wow, and people wonder why same-sex marriage is so hard to pass in this country.Tauruslink

This, its dumb they can't marry in the first place, last time i check all americians are guranteed equal rights.