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#1 oooo0000oooo000
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I have lost all faith in humanity. This could be old news but just saw it on CNN. Sorry I don't know how to do a lazy link. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/28/california.gang.rape.bystander/index.html
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#2 solid_mario
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Welcome to the world.
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#3 Furi-Kun
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Aww bby~ It'll be ok.

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#4 oooo0000oooo000
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It just sickens me how a people can let this happen to a child (or anyone for that matter). I literally want to cry, its just so infuriating.
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#5 Wolls
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Yea, i dont know i used to be like humanity is **** but i tend not to think about it now.

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#6 MasterBolt360
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It's kinda her own fault. If she didn't have the alcohol, and go to the area in the first place, none of it would have happened.

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#7 solid_mario
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It's kinda her own fault. If she didn't have the alcohol, and go to the area in the first place, none of it would have happened.

MasterBolt360
That's a ridiculous thing to say. You are basically saying she deserved it because she had some alcohol and went to somewhere that can sometimes be unsafe. No one deserves that.
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#8 dakan45
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WHATTA LOAD OF CRAP IS THIS???

Jesus, no one gives a damn?

If i was there, id call the police and throw rocks at them to distract them... seriously what the hell?

Just how perveted is the male population... damn!!!

What pisses me off the most is that no one did anything like its not a big deal.

Sersiously, lets just say that that girl was kinda.... yeah not so innocent, lets also say it was just one man or 50, would have made a diffirence?

What kinda Neglect is this?

people in the area should do something and the police should have acted immediately.

Do you have any idea what they do to rapists in jail?

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#9 oooo0000oooo000
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It's kinda her own fault. If she didn't have the alcohol, and go to the area in the first place, none of it would have happened.

MasterBolt360
Because she knew that she was going to get raped. Its like placing the blame on Iraqi civilians that die from a car bomb. Or they live in an unsafe area so its kinda their fault they died. You sir or ma (I could care less) are an idiot.
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#10 solid_mario
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[QUOTE="MasterBolt360"]

It's kinda her own fault. If she didn't have the alcohol, and go to the area in the first place, none of it would have happened.

solid_mario
That's a ridiculous thing to say. You are basically saying she deserved it because she had some alcohol and went to somewhere that can sometimes be unsafe. No one deserves that.

I've just read this article (I vaguely knew the story before hand) and no where does it she was under the influence of alcohol. She was just outside the place where her homecoming was. She was gang raped by a group of 20 people. Please explain to me how anyone deserves that.
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#11 Shinobi120
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I have to agree with you. Humanity has gone to hell in a handbasket. Because they're idiots. This is probably even worse than things in the 80's or 90's.

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#12 double_decker
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That is sad. I have a little sister, she's only 11. There's no way I could just stand by and not do anything. If it was my sister I'd want someone to step in and protect her, no way I couldn't do the same for some other girl. Makes me sick just thinking about it. IMO they should reform the laws badly in this area. Anyone who rapes, especially a young child, should get the death penalty or chemical castration IMO.
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#13 comp_atkins
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it's called "mob mentality" for a reason
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#14 oooo0000oooo000
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[QUOTE="solid_mario"][QUOTE="MasterBolt360"]

It's kinda her own fault. If she didn't have the alcohol, and go to the area in the first place, none of it would have happened.

solid_mario
That's a ridiculous thing to say. You are basically saying she deserved it because she had some alcohol and went to somewhere that can sometimes be unsafe. No one deserves that.

I've just read this article (I vaguely knew the story before hand) and no where does it she was under the influence of alcohol. She was just outside the place where her homecoming was. She was gang raped by a group of 20 people. Please explain to me how anyone deserves that.

I was arguing what the above poster was stating, even if she was under the influence (which she wasn't) this was in no way her fault.
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#15 WiiMan21
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Wow, thats insane.

I have lost hope for humanity awhile ago, but this just reinforces it.

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#16 Lockedge
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It's kinda her own fault. If she didn't have the alcohol, and go to the area in the first place, none of it would have happened.

MasterBolt360
Right, those rapists were just doing what they do, and if the girl didn't get intoxicated and go around this, none of it would have happened. Blaming the victim doesn't work. it doesn't matter if she was drunk, if she was in a certain area, if she was wearing certain clothing, etc. Doing that stuff is not her "asking for it". She's not at fault for the rape at all from what I read in the story. Sickening.
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#17 SpidersRMe
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People have been doing terrible things to each other for as long as we've existed.

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#18 solid_mario
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[QUOTE="oooo0000oooo000"][QUOTE="solid_mario"][QUOTE="solid_mario"] That's a ridiculous thing to say. You are basically saying she deserved it because she had some alcohol and went to somewhere that can sometimes be unsafe. No one deserves that.

I've just read this article (I vaguely knew the story before hand) and no where does it she was under the influence of alcohol. She was just outside the place where her homecoming was. She was gang raped by a group of 20 people. Please explain to me how anyone deserves that.

I was arguing what the above poster was stating, even if she was under the influence (which she wasn't) this was in no way her fault.

I wasn't arguing with you; you just posted before I did :P
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#19 MasterBolt360
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[QUOTE="solid_mario"][QUOTE="MasterBolt360"]

It's kinda her own fault. If she didn't have the alcohol, and go to the area in the first place, none of it would have happened.

solid_mario
That's a ridiculous thing to say. You are basically saying she deserved it because she had some alcohol and went to somewhere that can sometimes be unsafe. No one deserves that.

I've just read this article (I vaguely knew the story before hand) and no where does it she was under the influence of alcohol. She was just outside the place where her homecoming was. She was gang raped by a group of 20 people. Please explain to me how anyone deserves that.

If you were really interested in the story, you would read the second video on the left side, and know she was drinking.
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#20 not_wanted
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**** unbelievable. They did nothing and the girl was raped for more than two hours.

"As people announced over time that this was going on, more people came to see, and some actually participated," Lt. Mark Gagan of the Richmond Police Department told CNN.

WTF? :| They were like: "Hey what's going on here? Oh, gang rape, can we join? "

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#22 deactivated-5c8e4e07d5510
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My friend told me about this yesterday... All I have to say is what the ****?

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#24 oooo0000oooo000
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[QUOTE="MasterBolt360"][QUOTE="solid_mario"][QUOTE="solid_mario"] That's a ridiculous thing to say. You are basically saying she deserved it because she had some alcohol and went to somewhere that can sometimes be unsafe. No one deserves that.

I've just read this article (I vaguely knew the story before hand) and no where does it she was under the influence of alcohol. She was just outside the place where her homecoming was. She was gang raped by a group of 20 people. Please explain to me how anyone deserves that.

If you were really interested in the story, you would read the second video on the left side, and know she was drinking.

Slow internet, I still don't see how it was her fault.
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#26 Shinobi120
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[QUOTE="solid_mario"][QUOTE="solid_mario"] That's a ridiculous thing to say. You are basically saying she deserved it because she had some alcohol and went to somewhere that can sometimes be unsafe. No one deserves that.MasterBolt360
I've just read this article (I vaguely knew the story before hand) and no where does it she was under the influence of alcohol. She was just outside the place where her homecoming was. She was gang raped by a group of 20 people. Please explain to me how anyone deserves that.

If you were really interested in the story, you would read the second video on the left side, and know she was drinking.

Whatever a girl or a woman was drinking or not, it does not, I repeat, does not give boys or men the right to rape a girl or a woman. It's still wrong, period.

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#27 MasterBolt360
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[QUOTE="MasterBolt360"][QUOTE="solid_mario"] I've just read this article (I vaguely knew the story before hand) and no where does it she was under the influence of alcohol. She was just outside the place where her homecoming was. She was gang raped by a group of 20 people. Please explain to me how anyone deserves that.garland51

If you were really interested in the story, you would read the second video on the left side, and know she was drinking.

Whatever a girl or woman was drinking or not, it does not, I repeat, does not give boys or men the right to rape a girl. It's still wrong, period.

Oh course rape is wrong. I simply stated that if she had not been there, the odds of it not happening would have been alot higher.
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#28 Colin1192
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how do you remember all those o's and O's

That is what I think is wrong with humanity

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how do you remember all those o's and O's

That is what I think is wrong with humanityColin1192

That's you, on level 2.

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#30 dakan45
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[QUOTE="MasterBolt360"][QUOTE="solid_mario"] I've just read this article (I vaguely knew the story before hand) and no where does it she was under the influence of alcohol. She was just outside the place where her homecoming was. She was gang raped by a group of 20 people. Please explain to me how anyone deserves that.garland51

If you were really interested in the story, you would read the second video on the left side, and know she was drinking.

Whatever a girl or woman was drinking or not, it does not, I repeat, does not give boys or men the right to rape a girl. It's still wrong, period.

Which reminds me of a girl i was dating back when i was 22. I just drove her home i did not try to take advantage of her. Seriously i dont get this, men drinking= beating up their wives, women drinking= getting raped. Why the world is so entitled to this?
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#31 TheGrayEye
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[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="MasterBolt360"] If you were really interested in the story, you would read the second video on the left side, and know she was drinking.MasterBolt360

Whatever a girl or woman was drinking or not, it does not, I repeat, does not give boys or men the right to rape a girl. It's still wrong, period.

Oh course rape is wrong. I simply stated that if she had not been there, the odds of it not happening would have been alot higher.

Nice logic, next time you're drinking at a party, if someone brings his friends along to rape you, I'll be sure to let the cops know you "deserved" it.

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#32 Tropicalshower
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It took you this long to lose faith in humanity :?
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#33 dakan45
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[QUOTE="MasterBolt360"][QUOTE="garland51"]

Whatever a girl or woman was drinking or not, it does not, I repeat, does not give boys or men the right to rape a girl. It's still wrong, period.

TheGrayEye

Oh course rape is wrong. I simply stated that if she had not been there, the odds of it not happening would have been alot higher.

Nice logic, next time you're drinking at a party, if someone brings his friends along to rape you, I'll be sure to let the cops know you "deserved" it.

Exactly if MasterBolt360 above is correct then it means girls should not go to parties at all, to maximize the odds of not getting raped... but come on, not going to the parties?
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#34 Dr_Manfattan
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it seriously took you this long to lose faith in humanity? stories like this made me lose mine ages ago.

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#35 MasterBolt360
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[QUOTE="TheGrayEye"]

[QUOTE="MasterBolt360"] Oh course rape is wrong. I simply stated that if she had not been there, the odds of it not happening would have been alot higher.dakan45

Nice logic, next time you're drinking at a party, if someone brings his friends along to rape you, I'll be sure to let the cops know you "deserved" it.

Exactly if MasterBolt360 above is correct then it means girls should not go to parties at all, to maximize the odds of not getting raped... but come on, not going to the parties?

I never said she didn't have to go to the parties, I said she didn't have to go to the back of the building to drink where it was dark and dangerous.
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#36 Dark__Link
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Shouldn't make you lose faith in humanity.... the bystander effect is a very real thing, and trust me, if you were part of a large crowd watching some horrific thing, you wouldn't step up.

Maybe it's disappointing, but its a psychological reaction beyond our control.

Unless you meant the whole 'gang rape' thing... in which case... you have more of an argument...

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#37 Colin1192
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[QUOTE="Colin1192"]how do you remember all those o's and O's

That is what I think is wrong with humanity

That's you, on level 2.

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He did not present an argument, He just made an observation and I as well made an observation

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#38 oooo0000oooo000
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Shouldn't make you lose faith in humanity.... the bystander effect is a very real thing, and trust me, if you were part of a large crowd watching some horrific thing, you wouldn't step up.

Maybe it's disappointing, but its a psychological reaction beyond our control.

Unless you meant the whole 'gang rape' thing... in which case... you have more of an argument...

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No I actually I have friends that were molested or rape when they were a child. So no I WOULD NOT JUST STAND BY AND WATCH PEOPLE DO THIS. Maybe YOUR a sheep and would let this happen I on the other hand would not.
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#39 ice144
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Seems to me that you need to read up on a thing called mob mentality.
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#40 SoraX64
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[QUOTE="MasterBolt360"] Oh course rape is wrong. I simply stated that if she had not been there, the odds of it not happening would have been alot higher.

Yes, because it's her fault that she had been there at the time. :roll: For all we know, she could have been dragged there. It's not her fault at all that she was raped...
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#41 Dark__Link
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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

Shouldn't make you lose faith in humanity.... the bystander effect is a very real thing, and trust me, if you were part of a large crowd watching some horrific thing, you wouldn't step up.

Maybe it's disappointing, but its a psychological reaction beyond our control.

Unless you meant the whole 'gang rape' thing... in which case... you have more of an argument...

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No I actually I have friends that were molested or rape when they were a child. So no I WOULD NOT JUST STAND BY AND WATCH PEOPLE DO THIS. Maybe YOUR a sheep and would let this happen I on the other hand would not.

Yea you would. You can think all about what you'd do, you can say you'd step up, but if the time came you were confronted with this, you wouldn't. It has nothing to do with being a "sheep." It's an ingrained response, just as much as pulling your hand away from fire because it burned you. Some people are weird or masochistic and don't pull their hand away, just as some very outgoing people will do more than just gawk and stand there, helpless, as someone gets killed or raped. But the majority of people will do nothing. They'll hate themselves afterward and not know why they did nothing, but it's not their fault.
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#42 Lockedge
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Just some tidbits after searching around: -"the person who finally notified police was a teen girl who overheard others reminiscing about the incident at a party" -there were 2 site supervisors on duty whose job was to patrol the grounds of the school during the dance. They were allowed to leave at 9 when they figured the dance was safe. The rape occurred around 9:30. -There were police officers at the event throughout the night *shakes and twitches uncontrollably* This should not happen. Ever. EVER.
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#43 Lockedge
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[QUOTE="oooo0000oooo000"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

Shouldn't make you lose faith in humanity.... the bystander effect is a very real thing, and trust me, if you were part of a large crowd watching some horrific thing, you wouldn't step up.

Maybe it's disappointing, but its a psychological reaction beyond our control.

Unless you meant the whole 'gang rape' thing... in which case... you have more of an argument...

Dark__Link
No I actually I have friends that were molested or rape when they were a child. So no I WOULD NOT JUST STAND BY AND WATCH PEOPLE DO THIS. Maybe YOUR a sheep and would let this happen I on the other hand would not.

Yea you would. You can think all about what you'd do, you can say you'd step up, but if the time came you were confronted with this, you wouldn't. It has nothing to do with being a "sheep." It's an ingrained response, just as much as pulling your hand away from fire because it burned you. Some people are weird or masochistic and don't pull their hand away, just as some very outgoing people will do more than just gawk and stand there, helpless, as someone gets killed or raped. But the majority of people will do nothing. They'll hate themselves afterward and not know why they did nothing, but it's not their fault.

Yes, the bystander effect is real, and it's a social phenomenon, but it's not inevitable. You just need to stop thinking(read: freezing, which is what people do in these situations, either from fear or wanting anonymity) for a second, and start assessing the situation, which gets you actively relating to the matter at hand. It's not difficult, and while it doesn't work 100% for everyone, it's worked well enough for me and my friends who were taught it back in high school psych class. If it even gets one person to call 911, then it's a small victory.
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#44 poptart
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Don't underestimate the fear of intervention and the power of conformity. Look at Nazi Germany for starters if want to look at this kind of human behavior on a broader scale.

Please though don't lose faith in humanity and forget our capacity to do good.

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#45 shaunk89
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This is horrific, but sadly, not that rare.

I remember a case here in the UK some time ago where a person was attacked and left to die in the middle of a busy road, and people just went by without stopping to help, even after the attacker was gone....they even swerved round the victim's body to avoid her. Really, really sad :(

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Please though don't lose faith in humanity and forget our capacity to do good.poptart
I still believe though I can hardly blame anyone who doesn't after reading news like this.
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#47 poptart
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When did this occur by the way? Here brother comments who is 73 – I take it that it happened by in the 60's???

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#48 Dystopian-X
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When did this occur by the way? Here brother comments who is 73 – I take it that it happened by in the 60's???

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That's talking about an older case which was similar.
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#49 Lockedge
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When did this occur by the way? Here brother comments who is 73 – I take it that it happened by in the 60's???

poptart
This event happened just recently. The 73 year old brother is Kitty Genovese's brother. Kitty was raped and murdered way back in '64. Her brother made a statement on this gang-rape as it had a bystander effect similar to what happened with his sister.
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#50 poptart
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[QUOTE="poptart"]

When did this occur by the way? Here brother comments who is 73 – I take it that it happened by in the 60's???

Lockedge

This event happened just recently. The 73 year old brother is Kitty Genovese's brother. Kitty was raped and murdered way back in '64. Her brother made a statement on this gang-rape as it had a bystander effect similar to what happened with his sister.

Oooh – my fault for skim reading!