New Graphics on Cigarettes

The government is taking people for idiots? Old news.

You're dodging the argument.

You've stated that the skull and crossbones on a pack of cigarettes is reasonable because cigarettes contain known poisons.

I've provided an example of something else which contains a known poison, and you are against putting a skull and crossbones on that.

Therefore, it is reasonable for me to conclude that the fact that cigarettes contain poison is not the reason why you think it ought to have a skull and crossbones. If your argument breaks down as soon as we start talking about something that's not tobacco, then your argument is flawed.

MrGeezer

I have never said that the skull and crossbone was reasonable on a pack of cigarettes...pirate700 said that on the 1st page :|

I have never said I was against putting a warning label on fish (nor have I said I was for it either), but I did say that the FDA warns that certain people shouldn't eat fish - I said that on the 3rd page :|

And I also have stated that I don't agree with the images being put on the cigarettes, but I can understand why they want to do it though - I said that on the 2nd page :|

don't put words in my mouth...Thank You.

Leave smokers alone. They already pay up the wazoo, it's the least the government could do.

Having said that, I'd have to disagree with everyone here saying, "people who smoke know the risks." You can't truly know and appreciate the risks until the worst happens, just like anything else in life. I believe if people actually had an inkling of what they'd have to endure and suffer through to fight what smoking causes, they'd do their utmost to quit ASAP. Then again, some people smoke through a hole in their throat while going through chemo and radiation so it goes both ways I suppose, but by then they're on death's door, so what's the difference?

I guess this is alright. I think a really quick way to get rid of smoking is to make cigars even more unhealthy. Smokers will then understand that they are killing themselves and quit.Mr_Cumberdale

Terrible idea...

I don't see the problem. Most kids are aware of the risks of smoking, but they might not truly understand them or how serious they are. If images like these help deter them from picking up the habit and smoking a couple packs a day for the next 20 or 30 years, then good.

On the other hand, if you're already aware of the risks and don't care enough to stop smoking. These images aren't going to stop you, and honestly probably aren't really even intended for you.

I'm sure that smokers will quit if they are reiterated the dangers of smoking yet again. :roll:

Leave smokers alone. They already pay up the wazoo, it's the least the government could do.

Having said that, I'd have to disagree with everyone here saying, "people who smoke know the risks." You can't truly know and appreciate the risks until the worst happens, just like anything else in life. I believe if people actually had an inkling of what they'd have to endure and suffer through to fight what smoking causes, they'd do their utmost to quit ASAP. Then again, some people smoke through a hole in their throat while going through chemo and radiation so it goes both ways I suppose, but by then they're on death's door, so what's the difference?

Rekunta

I'm sure that smokers will quit if they are reiterated the dangers of smoking yet again. :roll:

coolbeans90

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I'm sure that smokers will quit if they are reiterated the dangers of smoking yet again. :roll:

JustPlainLucas

Most, if not all people have already seen those smokers' organs photos some sort. Furthermore, it doesn't make the idea of dieing on an average of 15 years earlier than the average person, or the idea of having various sorts of cancer any more displeasing. More of a nuisance than anything actually.

[QUOTE="Rekunta"]

Leave smokers alone. They already pay up the wazoo, it's the least the government could do.

Having said that, I'd have to disagree with everyone here saying, "people who smoke know the risks." You can't truly know and appreciate the risks until the worst happens, just like anything else in life. I believe if people actually had an inkling of what they'd have to endure and suffer through to fight what smoking causes, they'd do their utmost to quit ASAP. Then again, some people smoke through a hole in their throat while going through chemo and radiation so it goes both ways I suppose, but by then they're on death's door, so what's the difference?

JustPlainLucas

The pictures are pointless, it's just insult to injury and will not work. The sad fact of the matter is most need personal experiences with something to understand, be it smoking or whatever.

Yeah, I can see a law suit already over a kid who gets trumatized from the images on his mother's cigarette pack, lulz.

:lol: I love the one with the guy smoking out of his trachea. That actually makes me want to start smoking. It's like a super power or something. :lol: Anyway, This is really going over the limit. Everyone who smokes knows what will eventually happen to them, so why force it in their faces?

Oh, and TC, are you from Colorado?

JustPlainLucas

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I'm sure that smokers will quit if they are reiterated the dangers of smoking yet again. :roll:

JustPlainLucas

I found the PDF with the purposed images... my favorite one is number four... the Cartoons ones are really funny and I would totally buy those packs, but some of the others ones are a little... um....

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/CigaretteProductWarningLabels/UCM232425.pdf

Odds are the new graphics aren't going to work anyways so I'm not throwing any hissy fits. Any people who choose to smoke have already made up their minds. More or less really its a whole bunch of health groups who want to do this(not saying anything bad about them, just merely saying its them), and the government slapped it on there. There never going to bother removing smoking though, way too much money to be made in that so kudos to you smokers for feeding the government money.

[QUOTE="despa1r_fact0r"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

I think it's idiotic. This anti-smoking stuff is getting out of hand. Either make it illegal or leave smokers alone. Anyone who smokes already knows the risks.

Pirate700

I think it's idiotic. This anti-smoking stuff is getting out of hand. Either make it illegal or leave smokers alone. Anyone who smokes already knows the risks.

Pirate700

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Odds are the new graphics aren't going to work anyways so I'm not throwing any hissy fits. Any people who choose to smoke have already made up their minds. More or less really its a whole bunch of health groups who want to do this(not saying anything bad about them, just merely saying its them), and the government slapped it on there. There never going to bother removing smoking though, way too much money to be made in that so kudos to you smokers for feeding the government money.

doanm

The Government is sure trying it's best to single out smokers and screw them over side ways betwixt there legs with a pole ax.W1ckedGo0se

I seriously doubt that would be their intent. Like I said, there is a lot of money to be had with smoking. In Britain I believe its something like£10 billion pumped into the treasury per year. Can't be bothered to look up what the number is on your side of the border but I'll go on a limb and say that its potentially a lot more (if not roughly the same). With that said, i'm damn sure the government would prefer to not have to slap on those labels/deterrents since anything that would hurt their revenues from smokers(and they know it) would definitely be considered bad in their books. More or less really its just a case of them doing it because of pressures from other groups(i'm willing to bet its not just the FDA).

It's stupid the stop smoking ads, they need stop drinking and stop fatty food ads as well then. They don't have warning:poison on cheese products.

[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"]

The Government is sure trying it's best to single out smokers and screw them over side ways betwixt there legs with a pole ax.doanm

I seriously doubt that would be their intent. Like I said, there is a lot of money to be had with smoking. In Britain I believe its something like£10 billion pumped into the treasury per year. Can't be bothered to look up what the number is on your side of the border but I'll go on a limb and say that its potentially a lot more (if not roughly the same). With that said, i'm damn sure the government would prefer to not have to slap on those labels/deterrents since anything that would hurt their revenues from smokers(and they know it) would definitely be considered bad in their books. More or less really its just a case of them doing it because of pressures from other groups(i'm willing to bet its not just the FDA).

I think it's idiotic. This anti-smoking stuff is getting out of hand. Either make it illegal or leave smokers alone. Anyone who smokes already knows the risks.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

I think it's idiotic. This anti-smoking stuff is getting out of hand. Either make it illegal or leave smokers alone. Anyone who smokes already knows the risks.

Allicrombie

We've had those graphics in Canada for yeeeears. But people who like to smoke will still get their cigarettes.

Charge them 20 bucks a pack. I don't care if people smoke so long as they're willing to pay for their own medical bills. (Hence the increase in cigarette prices.)

Charge them 20 bucks a pack. I don't care if people smoke so long as they're willing to pay for their own medical bills. (Hence the increase in cigarette prices.)

starfox15

You reethaded addicts... These graphic are to prevent new comers form smoking them and possibly getting addicted... These new graphic are most likely not even going to affect your addiction. The government is just trying to stop the people who still haven't tried smoking. I personally think this is a great idea because when kids (or who ever) pick up these packs for the first time and see these pictures they are for surely not going to want to start.

darkmark91

[QUOTE="darkmark91"]

You reethaded addicts... These graphic are to prevent new comers form smoking them and possibly getting addicted... These new graphic are most likely not even going to affect your addiction. The government is just trying to stop the people who still haven't tried smoking. I personally think this is a great idea because when kids (or who ever) pick up these packs for the first time and see these pictures they are for surely not going to want to start.

W1ckedGo0se

The pictures look like a shock tactic. Like when abortion opponents make their argument by showing pictures of dead fetuses.

And that's the point. As a kid, what was more likely to deter me from doing drugs? Actual information about what drugs can do to me, or shocking movies or pictures or stories that sounded absolutely sensational? The shocking sensational crap seemed like propaganda which was devoid of information, and that almost INCREASED my desire to do drugs since I don't like being hit over the head with empty shock tactics. It's like when a crazy Christian fanatic tells you that you're going to hell for listening to devil music. That'd make me want to literally worship Jesus in front of her, just to piss her off.

Shock tactics involve talking down to the audience, assuming that they are total ****ing idiots. For anyone who RECOGNIZES that they are being talked down to and basically being called idiots, that's sort of personally offense and can potentially cause a reaction that's the exact OPPOSITE of what was intended. It's like when someone yells at you for saying that a band is merely "okay", and then that makes you try to distance yourself from them as much as possible. Now you go from saying that the band is "okay" to saying that the band is "total ****ing garbage, and anyone who likes them is a ****ing moron."

Bottom line...getting people to not do something by calling them stupid idiots usually isn't an effective tactic for the people who realize that they are being insulted.

we have this in canada it does work to some effect where people are buying covers for the cig packs.fishing666

But people are still smoking so it really isn't working then.

You reethaded addicts...darkmark91

Here's a tip: if you're going to call someone "retarded" make sure you at least know how to spell "retarded".

I really do wish they would expand upon this idea and put warning labels on a lot of different things, it would be interesting to see all the cool things that stuff does to the body. Really, I just wish they would ban smoking from public property because I don't like walking down the street and walking past a group of smokers and I can use second hand smoke as an excuse to make other people stop doing something I don't like. Z0MBIES

And I wish they'd ban perfumes from being worn in public places. That crap triggers headaches for me.

Smoking should be illegal in the first place because I am probably going to get lung cancer from all the second-hand smoke I run into from you **** who puff those cancer sticks.

SilentSoprano

You're more likely to get cancer from the millions of tons of carcinogenic fumes we dump into our air each day than you are from coming across the occaisional second hand cigarette smoke.

[QUOTE="SilentSoprano"]

Smoking should be illegal in the first place because I am probably going to get lung cancer from all the second-hand smoke I run into from you **** who puff those cancer sticks.

worlock77

You're more likely to get cancer from the millions of tons of carcinogenic fumes we dump into our air each day than you are from coming across the occaisional second hand cigarette smoke.

It's not like we could easily just stop all of that like we could with cigarette smoke if we made smoking illegal. Sure, people would still do it, but at least they would most likely do it in their own home or something. Plus cigs smell like **** and I don't "occasionally" come across it. It's quite common.

You might find it annoying, but you're not going to get cancer from it. That's all I'm saying.

You reethaded addicts... These graphic are to prevent new comers form smoking them and possibly getting addicted... These new graphic are most likely not even going to affect your addiction. The government is just trying to stop the people who still haven't tried smoking. I personally think this is a great idea because when kids (or who ever) pick up these packs for the first time and see these pictures they are for surely not going to want to start.

darkmark91

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="SilentSoprano"]

Smoking should be illegal in the first place because I am probably going to get lung cancer from all the second-hand smoke I run into from you **** who puff those cancer sticks.

SilentSoprano

You're more likely to get cancer from the millions of tons of carcinogenic fumes we dump into our air each day than you are from coming across the occaisional second hand cigarette smoke.

It's not like we could easily just stop all of that like we could with cigarette smoke if we made smoking illegal. Sure, people would still do it, but at least they would most likely do it in their own home or something. Plus cigs smell like **** and I don't "occasionally" come across it. It's quite common.