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#151 daqua_99
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We've had those for years, and luckily smoking rates here have dropped. That's not just because of the images, but also because of graphic advertising campaigns and taxing the hell out of cigarettes.

Your smoking effects me. You chose to smoke, yet at the first sign of illness you go running to your nearest public hospital, which I fund through my taxes. Not only that, second-hand smoking is just as, or even more, dangerous for a person than actually smoking yourself. I could be sitting having lunch, a guy comes and sits at the table next to me and starts smoking, and I get a face full of smoke. That's effecting my health.

Banning it is wrong, however regulation of it is needed.

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#152 -Sun_Tzu-
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Smoking should be illegal in the first place because I am probably going to get lung cancer from all the second-hand smoke I run into from you **** who puff those cancer sticks.

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I can pretty much assure you that you're not going to get lung cancer from running into a smoker along the street here and there.
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#153 Cherokee_Jack
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I don't see the point of this. As I think others have said, they don't put this crap on liquor or fattening food. The surgeon general warning is totally adequate.

They're basically taking over the packaging of a legitimate product in the hope of reducing its sales, which I find really weird.

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#154 gibson-les-rick
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http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_16580458

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what do you all think about this. I think I'll never be able to quit smoking because I'll have to catch all 36 images... It sounds like a better game then Pokemon... Truthfully though I wish they would just leave me the **** alone... I'm sick of paying double the price for a pack because the federal tax is one dollar and the state tax is another dollar... The government shouldn't be allowed to try and make my choices for me like this... If I want to smoke it's my freedom to do so. Nothing else has such a High Tax rate on it... I could be buying a pack of Pyramids for One dollar, but no its 3 because the government sucks. 200% taxes are cool...

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How much does 1 pack cost where you live? I live in Ireland and 1 pack is 8.50 euro which is about 11 dollars 60 cent

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#155 tofu-lion91
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$3 for a pack of cigarettes? I'm paying £5.60 a pack which is about $9.

As for the thread, I'll copy my response from the last one: "It doesn't do anything to dissuade people from buying cigarettes, especially since the pictures are on the back so you'd have to buy a pack to see it in the first place!"

We've had them in the UK for a while.

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#156 Deihjan
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Gotta smoke em all!
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#157 BiancaDK
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It's a lot more interesting to look at than the bland designs usually utilized by the tobacco companies.

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#159 Stanley09
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They should have to put pictures of dead/disabled soldiers on military recruitment things as well
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#160 deactivated-5e376fa88bd45
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It's not like we could easily just stop all of that like we could with cigarette smoke if we made smoking illegal. Sure, people would still do it, but at least they would most likely do it in their own home or something. Plus cigs smell like **** and I don't "occasionally" come across it. It's quite common.

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Easily stop it? Highly disputable. People can be very entrenched in their smoking habits that any chances of it being "easily stopped" pretty much amounts to slim to none. If you are however referring to the general carcinogens in the air then, then that's even harder to stop. I'll also point out that you shouldn't just focus on cancer when it comes to smoking. Their is also a 13.2-14.5 year loss in life, chance of Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease, emphysema and heart attack risk.

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#161 W1ckedGo0se
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We've had those for years, and luckily smoking rates here have dropped. That's not just because of the images, but also because of graphic advertising campaigns and taxing the hell out of cigarettes.

Your smoking effects me. You chose to smoke, yet at the first sign of illness you go running to your nearest public hospital, which I fund through my taxes. Not only that, second-hand smoking is just as, or even more, dangerous for a person than actually smoking yourself. I could be sitting having lunch, a guy comes and sits at the table next to me and starts smoking, and I get a face full of smoke. That's effecting my health.

Banning it is wrong, however regulation of it is needed.

daqua_99

A Lot of people have private Health insurance so the odds are your taxes are not going to pay for my health care if anything ever happens to me. The government makes a lot of money off of there taxes on cigarettes so don't think like your taxes are the ones paying for us. We pay for FAR more then you know. Personally I either smoke in my car or away from other people (Like most smokers I know), so I really don't care about second-hand smoking. Although I love when people walk up to me and start raging about my second-hand smoke and all that when I was no where near them before they came over to me. Anti-Smokers in general are form stupider and ruder then smokers. I can't blame smokers that smoker in the street with other people because they know that no where they go someone is going to try to start **** over the cigarette... Also if you just walk by people smoking it's not going to hurt you. You have to stand there talking to them breathing in there smoke for years before anything really happened to you.

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#162 W1ckedGo0se
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$3 for a pack of cigarettes? I'm paying £5.60 a pack which is about $9.

As for the thread, I'll copy my response from the last one: "It doesn't do anything to dissuade people from buying cigarettes, especially since the pictures are on the back so you'd have to buy a pack to see it in the first place!"

We've had them in the UK for a while.

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It was a carton for $30 dollars. I have to assume they were doing a sale or something because the average price for a pack is 6 dollars here.
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#163 Overlord93
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Had those here for a while. With the picture of a rotting lung etc. along with "YOU WILL DIE!"

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#164 Rekunta
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[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

We've had those for years, and luckily smoking rates here have dropped. That's not just because of the images, but also because of graphic advertising campaigns and taxing the hell out of cigarettes.

Your smoking effects me. You chose to smoke, yet at the first sign of illness you go running to your nearest public hospital, which I fund through my taxes. Not only that, second-hand smoking is just as, or even more, dangerous for a person than actually smoking yourself. I could be sitting having lunch, a guy comes and sits at the table next to me and starts smoking, and I get a face full of smoke. That's effecting my health.

Banning it is wrong, however regulation of it is needed.

W1ckedGo0se

Anti-Smokers in general are form stupider and ruder then smokers.

Errr...no. Why? Because they don't enjoy inhaling smoke into their lungs, that makes them stupider? That's like saying getting punched in the face for walking into a certain area makes you stupid and rude. I'm finding it to be the case that smokers are becoming more self righteous than non smokers. I don't have a problem with them, but continaully always hear from smokers, "wah wah wah, I'm going to smoke where I wish and to hell with all the others" attitude.

I don't mind second hand smoke. Like the smell, to be honest. But it's ridiculous for someone who smokes to blame the OTHER person. Like someone pumping arsenic into the air and then throwing a hissy fit when people complain about having to breath it. Give me a break.

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#166 W1ckedGo0se
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[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"]

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

We've had those for years, and luckily smoking rates here have dropped. That's not just because of the images, but also because of graphic advertising campaigns and taxing the hell out of cigarettes.

Your smoking effects me. You chose to smoke, yet at the first sign of illness you go running to your nearest public hospital, which I fund through my taxes. Not only that, second-hand smoking is just as, or even more, dangerous for a person than actually smoking yourself. I could be sitting having lunch, a guy comes and sits at the table next to me and starts smoking, and I get a face full of smoke. That's effecting my health.

Banning it is wrong, however regulation of it is needed.

Rekunta

Anti-Smokers in general are form stupider and ruder then smokers.

Errr...no. Why? Because they don't enjoy inhaling smoke into their lungs, that makes them stupider? That's like saying getting punched in the face for walking into a certain area makes you stupid and rude. I'm finding it to be the case that smokers are becoming more self righteous than non smokers. I don't have a problem with them, but continaully always hear from smokers, "wah wah wah, I'm going to smoke where I wish and to hell with all the others" attitude.

I don't mind second hand smoke. Like the smell, to be honest. But it's ridiculous for someone who smokes to blame the OTHER person. Like someone pumping arsenic into the air and then throwing a hissy fit when people complain about having to breath it. Give me a break.

It was more from my experience that the people that are anti-smokers will walk up to me and start raging about the smell and how its bad... I normally smoke in my car, but there are times on campus that I wanna smoke so I go to one of the areas out of the way with an ash tray, but people always love to rage at me for it. Even though I'm smoking in an area they don't have to go to get to any class.
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#167 Thessassin
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Wow this kid is whining cuz he has to pay a 3 dollars for a pack? Come to Toronto and pay $11.80 for a pack of large king Belmonts then you can cry.

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#168 W1ckedGo0se
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Wow this kid is whining cuz he has to pay a 3 dollars for a pack? Come to Toronto and pay $11.80 for a pack of large king Belmonts then you can cry.

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I'm whining because the terrible pack that I bought should have been one instead of 200% tax... It's not even the money I have a problem with it's the very thought of a "sin" tax... Most cigarettes here are 6-7 dollars I just got a Carton of the worst cigarettes ever that were really cheap...
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#169 SaintJimmmy
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I agree with your rant. For some reason i don't think ill be quitting smoking because there is some witty graphic on them... The Government needs to leave smokers alone I also, do not know why they are allowed to pull random crap like this.. Yes, it causes cancers and kills people Im pretty sure everyone in a majority of the developed world is VERY aware of this, its not going to stop people from smoking. The Hopeless Anti-Smoking Crusade is so pointless from my point of few
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#170 _Cadbury_
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As much as smokers like to think they're entitled to making a personal choice to smoke, you can't deny that the choice impacts on other people. Whether it's second hand smoke, influencing your children/peers, or causing distress to family members when you start suffering from the consequences. And phasing out smoking, so that less people are still smoking when it's finally banned is a good thing, isn't it? Not to mention its not all about current smokers. Higher prices and graphic images put off other people from starting.
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#171 Thessassin
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Wow this kid is whining cuz he has to pay a 3 dollars for a pack? Come to Toronto and pay $11.80 for a pack of large king Belmonts then you can cry.

W1ckedGo0se

I'm whining because the terrible pack that I bought should have been one instead of 200% tax... It's not even the money I have a problem with it's the very thought of a "sin" tax... Most cigarettes here are 6-7 dollars I just got a Carton of the worst cigarettes ever that were really cheap...

well in canada at least the insanely high price is justified. Smokers will more than likely have worse health than non smokers and so will need more doctor/hospital trips. Since the healthcare here is public we understand why were being taxed and it makes sense. I doubt you understand how taxation works anyways. Its not $1 Federal and $1 State, its more likely a percentage. So i doubt your pack was originally $1 before tax.

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#172 Rekunta
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[QUOTE="Rekunta"]

[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"] Anti-Smokers in general are form stupider and ruder then smokers. W1ckedGo0se

Errr...no. Why? Because they don't enjoy inhaling smoke into their lungs, that makes them stupider? That's like saying getting punched in the face for walking into a certain area makes you stupid and rude. I'm finding it to be the case that smokers are becoming more self righteous than non smokers. I don't have a problem with them, but continaully always hear from smokers, "wah wah wah, I'm going to smoke where I wish and to hell with all the others" attitude.

I don't mind second hand smoke. Like the smell, to be honest. But it's ridiculous for someone who smokes to blame the OTHER person. Like someone pumping arsenic into the air and then throwing a hissy fit when people complain about having to breath it. Give me a break.

It was more from my experience that the people that are anti-smokers will walk up to me and start raging about the smell and how its bad... I normally smoke in my car, but there are times on campus that I wanna smoke so I go to one of the areas out of the way with an ash tray, but people always love to rage at me for it. Even though I'm smoking in an area they don't have to go to get to any class.

Well those people are douches. I'm torn, because I do feel sympathy for people who smoke as not only do they have to pay extortion to maintain their habit, but are also dictated as to how they can exercise it, but then again feel for those who wish to breath fresh air. Ah I don't know.

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#173 Symphonycometh
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I say let the FDA do it. Smokers already know the risks, so a picture showing them their rather possible future is fine and dandy. If you think it's a trollish move on smokers, well hey, it's not like they're not already trolling their own bodies in a way. So, to keep it short: If it were to do good or bad, I'd probably do more good. (That or nothing)
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#174 testfactor888
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[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]As much as smokers like to think they're entitled to making a personal choice to smoke, you can't deny that the choice impacts on other people. Whether it's second hand smoke, influencing your children/peers, or causing distress to family members when you start suffering from the consequences. And phasing out smoking, so that less people are still smoking when it's finally banned is a good thing, isn't it? Not to mention its not all about current smokers. Higher prices and graphic images put off other people from starting.

It won't finally be banned unless you want a black market for cigs to erupt. Give the drug dealers another item they can make boat loads of money off of while denying the government the taxes they make from it. You want more crime than sure go ahead and ban cigs
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#175 Symphonycometh
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[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="Rekunta"]

Errr...no. Why? Because they don't enjoy inhaling smoke into their lungs, that makes them stupider? That's like saying getting punched in the face for walking into a certain area makes you stupid and rude. I'm finding it to be the case that smokers are becoming more self righteous than non smokers. I don't have a problem with them, but continaully always hear from smokers, "wah wah wah, I'm going to smoke where I wish and to hell with all the others" attitude.

I don't mind second hand smoke. Like the smell, to be honest. But it's ridiculous for someone who smokes to blame the OTHER person. Like someone pumping arsenic into the air and then throwing a hissy fit when people complain about having to breath it. Give me a break.

Rekunta

It was more from my experience that the people that are anti-smokers will walk up to me and start raging about the smell and how its bad... I normally smoke in my car, but there are times on campus that I wanna smoke so I go to one of the areas out of the way with an ash tray, but people always love to rage at me for it. Even though I'm smoking in an area they don't have to go to get to any class.

Well those people are douches. I'm torn, because I do feel sympathy for people who smoke as not only do they have to pay extortion to maintain their habit, but are also dictated as to how they can exercise it, but then again feel for those who wish to breath fresh air. Ah I don't know.

Feel for both sides, then. Nothing wrong with doing that. You can give anyone that tries to force you to choose a side to anything the finger of awesome. After all, anti-smokers and smokers alike can easily be jerks about their preferences.
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#176 darkmark91
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I did this at some of your responses...

EPIC FACEPALM.egg

And am not in the mood for arguing right now because I have a paper to write...

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#177 gogly
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http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_16580458

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what do you all think about this. I think I'll never be able to quit smoking because I'll have to catch all 36 images... It sounds like a better game then Pokemon... Truthfully though I wish they would just leave me the **** alone... I'm sick of paying double the price for a pack because the federal tax is one dollar and the state tax is another dollar... The government shouldn't be allowed to try and make my choices for me like this... If I want to smoke it's my freedom to do so. Nothing else has such a High Tax rate on it... I could be buying a pack of Pyramids for One dollar, but no its 3 because the government sucks. 200% taxes are cool...

/Rant

W1ckedGo0se

this has been implemented in canada for a long time. some of the pictures are truely disgustig.

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#178 _Cadbury_
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[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]As much as smokers like to think they're entitled to making a personal choice to smoke, you can't deny that the choice impacts on other people. Whether it's second hand smoke, influencing your children/peers, or causing distress to family members when you start suffering from the consequences. And phasing out smoking, so that less people are still smoking when it's finally banned is a good thing, isn't it? Not to mention its not all about current smokers. Higher prices and graphic images put off other people from starting.testfactor888
It won't finally be banned unless you want a black market for cigs to erupt. Give the drug dealers another item they can make boat loads of money off of while denying the government the taxes they make from it. You want more crime than sure go ahead and ban cigs

It is possible. In NZ I believe a 10-20 year phase out is up for discussion. A point in 'phasing it out' i.e no fancy packing, graphic images, price hikes, tv advertisements, is to reduce the likelihood of issues after a possible ban.
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#179 Merranvo
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I agree with your rant. For some reason i don't think ill be quitting smoking because there is some witty graphic on them... The Government needs to leave smokers alone I also, do not know why they are allowed to pull random crap like this.. Yes, it causes cancers and kills people Im pretty sure everyone in a majority of the developed world is VERY aware of this, its not going to stop people from smoking. The Hopeless Anti-Smoking Crusade is so pointless from my point of fewSaintJimmmy

My point exactly! You don't BELIEVE that it will kill you and thus you need to be exposed to more anti-smoking material.

There is a difference between being aware of something and simply knowing it.

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#180 W1ckedGo0se
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[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="Thessassin"]

Wow this kid is whining cuz he has to pay a 3 dollars for a pack? Come to Toronto and pay $11.80 for a pack of large king Belmonts then you can cry.

Thessassin

I'm whining because the terrible pack that I bought should have been one instead of 200% tax... It's not even the money I have a problem with it's the very thought of a "sin" tax... Most cigarettes here are 6-7 dollars I just got a Carton of the worst cigarettes ever that were really cheap...

well in canada at least the insanely high price is justified. Smokers will more than likely have worse health than non smokers and so will need more doctor/hospital trips. Since the healthcare here is public we understand why were being taxed and it makes sense. I doubt you understand how taxation works anyways. Its not $1 Federal and $1 State, its more likely a percentage. So i doubt your pack was originally $1 before tax.

It is a flat rate... at least in america it's a flat rate... http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0097.pdf