No Murder Charge For Man Who Killed Daughter's Molester

[QUOTE="DJ_Headshot"] terrible injustice if they had charged him with anything let alone a murder charge.SteverXIII

Its a terrible injustice he got away scot free.

I think cases like these need you to go beyond just logic and facts... be more humanistic. Think about how awful a crime that is... and then, as the dad, you walk in on it. Yeah, he murdered the guy. But should someone like that be allowed to be a part of society? I don't think so. Crimes against children= get out of here.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] lolthemajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Morals are subjective based on personal experiences, religion, and the culture you were raised in. One cannot objectively compare two sets of morals, just as one cannot objectively compare two people's tastes in food.Nibroc420

I understand what youre saying. But I think it's 2012, and if you whip a woman for wearing pants, you need to find more important things to worry about. Harming another human being because of what they wear? I would say whoever invented that law just isn't a good human being. How can you even defend that?

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] you need to get out more.

GrayF0X786

tl;dw

Anyway...

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] So whipping women who wears pants is moral and ok then? Cause it's subjective and everythingShmiity

I understand what youre saying. But I think it's 2012, and if you whip a woman for wearing pants, you need to find more important things to worry about. Harming another human being because of what they wear? I would say whoever invented that law just isn't a good human being. How can you even defend that?

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] What?themajormayor

tl;dw

Anyway...

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] So whipping women who wears pants is moral and ok then? Cause it's subjective and everythingShmiity

I understand what youre saying. But I think it's 2012, and if you whip a woman for wearing pants, you need to find more important things to worry about. Harming another human being because of what they wear? I would say whoever invented that law just isn't a good human being. How can you even defend that?

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Personally i dont think it's okay. However there is no universal set of morals, and if a culture has been living with the ideals that women shouldn't wear pants, and their culture has had that law for thousands of years...Who am i to oppose it? Why do my morals trump the morals of another fellow man?Nibroc420

I understand what youre saying. But I think it's 2012, and if you whip a woman for wearing pants, you need to find more important things to worry about. Harming another human being because of what they wear? I would say whoever invented that law just isn't a good human being. How can you even defend that?

Maybe I'm being a little "world police" here, but if your culture is abusing it's own people, just because it's been done for a 1000 years- that makes it okay? Times have changed, and if my culture isn't abusing women, and yours is, youre in the wrong. How do you think the women feel? This is a stupid issue. I will enforce my will on others for the sake of common people. Some of these "middle eastern" culture things are not okay, whether they are tradition or not. Doesnt matter to me. As with this Texas Dad case. I always pull for the humanistic, emotional side, forget what is murder and what isnt. He is a free man, and that was a good decision.

Human behavior isn't an excuse. If I walk in on my wife with another man and kill both of them I can claim human behavior, call it a crime of passion, but that doesn't change the fact that I murdered two people.

worlock77

Next time use an example that actually makes sense. You weren't interrupting the commission of a crime. You have no legal ground from which to argue anything.

If I walk in on you raping my wife, I'm well within my rights to kill you in order to stop you. There's a difference, whether you like it or not.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv4Mb_TAfbU

GrayF0X786

tl;dw

Anyway...

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Well considering he is defending a pedophile I'm not surprised he is defending this eitherSteverXIII

[QUOTE="DJ_Headshot"] terrible injustice if they had charged him with anything let alone a murder charge.SteverXIII

Its a terrible injustice he got away scot free.

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Personally i dont think it's okay. However there is no universal set of morals, and if a culture has been living with the ideals that women shouldn't wear pants, and their culture has had that law for thousands of years...Who am i to oppose it? Why do my morals trump the morals of another fellow man?themajormayor

I understand what youre saying. But I think it's 2012, and if you whip a woman for wearing pants, you need to find more important things to worry about. Harming another human being because of what they wear? I would say whoever invented that law just isn't a good human being. How can you even defend that?

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Shmiity"]

I understand what youre saying. But I think it's 2012, and if you whip a woman for wearing pants, you need to find more important things to worry about. Harming another human being because of what they wear? I would say whoever invented that law just isn't a good human being. How can you even defend that?

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Human behavior isn't an excuse. If I walk in on my wife with another man and kill both of them I can claim human behavior, call it a crime of passion, but that doesn't change the fact that I murdered two people.

airshocker

Next time use an example that actually makes sense. You weren't interrupting the commission of a crime. You have no legal ground from which to argue anything.

If I walk in on you raping my wife, I'm well within my rights to kill you in order to stop you. There's a difference, whether you like it or not.

Cheating on your spouse isnt a crime. So, murdering them isn't justifiable. Of course, cheating isn't good... but justifiable murder I would assume has to be in defense of someone's life, or well being.

[QUOTE="SteverXIII"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] Well considering he is defending a pedophile I'm not surprised he is defending this eitherthemajormayor

No kidding. He's just dodging the question.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Shmiity"]

I understand what youre saying. But I think it's 2012, and if you whip a woman for wearing pants, you need to find more important things to worry about. Harming another human being because of what they wear? I would say whoever invented that law just isn't a good human being. How can you even defend that?

Shmiity

Maybe I'm being a little "world police" here, but if your culture is abusing it's own people, just because it's been done for a 1000 years- that makes it okay? Times have changed, and if my culture isn't abusing women, and yours is, youre in the wrong. How do you think the women feel? This is a stupid issue. I will enforce my will on others for the sake of common people. Some of these "middle eastern" culture things are not okay, whether they are tradition or not. Doesnt matter to me. As with this Texas Dad case. I always pull for the humanistic, emotional side, forget what is murder and what isnt. He is a free man, and that was a good decision.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Shmiity"]

I understand what youre saying. But I think it's 2012, and if you whip a woman for wearing pants, you need to find more important things to worry about. Harming another human being because of what they wear? I would say whoever invented that law just isn't a good human being. How can you even defend that?

Shmiity

Maybe I'm being a little "world police" here, but if your culture is abusing it's own people, just because it's been done for a 1000 years- that makes it okay? Times have changed, and if my culture isn't abusing women, and yours is, youre in the wrong. How do you think the women feel? This is a stupid issue. I will enforce my will on others for the sake of common people. Some of these "middle eastern" culture things are not okay, whether they are tradition or not. Doesnt matter to me. As with this Texas Dad case. I always pull for the humanistic, emotional side, forget what is murder and what isnt. He is a free man, and that was a good decision.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

Are you kidding me? Just because he's angry he can just murder a man?? It doesn't matter if he's angry or not, he shouldn't just murder someone, even when people murder out of supposed self-defense, it's still murder. The rapist didn't even touch him, just his daughter, and he comes over and bashes him to death in cold blood with his bare hands, and then everyone here hails him as a hero. It's f***ing disgusting. You can't just go around trying to be a vigilante and murdering who you see fit, we have a civilized society, and murder is illegal.

Nibroc420

He didn't murder anybody, first off. He defended his daughter.

You're disgusting for thinking the father did anything wrong. YOU, and people like you, are what's wrong with this country.

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I do not have the right, or the authority, to disrespect someone's religion and culture because i feel it's wrong. Forcing everyone to do what you do, believe what you believe, and think what you think is wrong.Nibroc420

Maybe I'm being a little "world police" here, but if your culture is abusing it's own people, just because it's been done for a 1000 years- that makes it okay? Times have changed, and if my culture isn't abusing women, and yours is, youre in the wrong. How do you think the women feel? This is a stupid issue. I will enforce my will on others for the sake of common people. Some of these "middle eastern" culture things are not okay, whether they are tradition or not. Doesnt matter to me. As with this Texas Dad case. I always pull for the humanistic, emotional side, forget what is murder and what isnt. He is a free man, and that was a good decision.

Sure, I won't protest that. Arguing the subjective doesn't do anything. But at the end of the day, if youre going to hide behind "It's their culture, I don't want to disrespect them" I think thats a little bit cowardly. Im a sucker for humanistic and underdog subjects. If a culture of women are being abused, it's time to change it.

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I do not have the right, or the authority, to disrespect someone's religion and culture because i feel it's wrong. Forcing everyone to do what you do, believe what you believe, and think what you think is wrong.GrayF0X786

Maybe I'm being a little "world police" here, but if your culture is abusing it's own people, just because it's been done for a 1000 years- that makes it okay? Times have changed, and if my culture isn't abusing women, and yours is, youre in the wrong. How do you think the women feel? This is a stupid issue. I will enforce my will on others for the sake of common people. Some of these "middle eastern" culture things are not okay, whether they are tradition or not. Doesnt matter to me. As with this Texas Dad case. I always pull for the humanistic, emotional side, forget what is murder and what isnt. He is a free man, and that was a good decision.

Sorry, that paragraph wasn't meant to be a "let's dump on Saudi Arabia". It was a response to culture, and tradition, arguing values. Thats why I put "middle eastern" in quotes.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Shmiity"]

Maybe I'm being a little "world police" here, but if your culture is abusing it's own people, just because it's been done for a 1000 years- that makes it okay? Times have changed, and if my culture isn't abusing women, and yours is, youre in the wrong. How do you think the women feel? This is a stupid issue. I will enforce my will on others for the sake of common people. Some of these "middle eastern" culture things are not okay, whether they are tradition or not. Doesnt matter to me. As with this Texas Dad case. I always pull for the humanistic, emotional side, forget what is murder and what isnt. He is a free man, and that was a good decision.

Shmiity

Sure, I won't protest that. Arguing the subjective doesn't do anything. But at the end of the day, if youre going to hide behind "It's their culture, I don't want to disrespect them" I think thats a little bit cowardly. Im a sucker for humanistic and underdog subjects. If a culture of women are being abused, it's time to change it.

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Again, "Right" and "Wrong" are subjective, they're opinions. Your opinion of what is "Right", and what is "Wrong" is no more valid than anyone else's.Nibroc420

Sure, I won't protest that. Arguing the subjective doesn't do anything. But at the end of the day, if youre going to hide behind "It's their culture, I don't want to disrespect them" I think thats a little bit cowardly. Im a sucker for humanistic and underdog subjects. If a culture of women are being abused, it's time to change it.

I have a hard time swallowing that. I can't just accept it. Then again, thats probably why there always will be wars and discontent between countries and cultures.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Shmiity"]

Sure, I won't protest that. Arguing the subjective doesn't do anything. But at the end of the day, if youre going to hide behind "It's their culture, I don't want to disrespect them" I think thats a little bit cowardly. Im a sucker for humanistic and underdog subjects. If a culture of women are being abused, it's time to change it.

Shmiity

I have a hard time swallowing that. I can't just accept it. Then again, thats probably why there always will be wars and discontent between countries and cultures.

So awful that people are criticising a man for defending his daughter against sexual assault in progress.Ravensmash

airshocker

For once, I think you're right on the money.

I must have entered the twilight zone.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]So awful that people are criticising a man for defending his daughter against sexual assault in progress.SteverXIII

Are you kidding me? Just because he's angry he can just murder a man?? It doesn't matter if he's angry or not, he shouldn't just murder someone, even when people murder out of supposed self-defense, it's still murder. The rapist didn't even touch him, just his daughter, and he comes over and bashes him to death in cold blood with his bare hands, and then everyone here hails him as a hero. It's f***ing disgusting. You can't just go around trying to be a vigilante and murdering who you see fit, we have a civilized society, and murder is illegal.StealthMonkey4

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]Are you kidding me? Just because he's angry he can just murder a man?? It doesn't matter if he's angry or not, he shouldn't just murder someone, even when people murder out of supposed self-defense, it's still murder. The rapist didn't even touch him, just his daughter, and he comes over and bashes him to death in cold blood with his bare hands, and then everyone here hails him as a hero. It's f***ing disgusting. You can't just go around trying to be a vigilante and murdering who you see fit, we have a civilized society, and murder is illegal.Zeviander

I sympathized with the father, and if this happened to my daughter, I would have killed the molester too but tbh, the father should be charged with manslaughter.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]Are you kidding me? Just because he's angry he can just murder a man?? It doesn't matter if he's angry or not, he shouldn't just murder someone, even when people murder out of supposed self-defense, it's still murder. The rapist didn't even touch him, just his daughter, and he comes over and bashes him to death in cold blood with his bare hands, and then everyone here hails him as a hero. It's f***ing disgusting. You can't just go around trying to be a vigilante and murdering who you see fit, we have a civilized society, and murder is illegal.Zeviander

Can you be certain that you'd remain rational if you walked in on your daughter being raped?Ravensmash

This man could easily have stopped the crime and subdued the man without killing him (police do this all the time). There was no threat of lethal force, thus the use of lethal force to stop it is not legally justified.Zeviander

There is no way the father's actions can be justified in a society that claims to uphold freedom, human rights and most importantly JUSTICE. Justice is a fair trial and reasonable prison sentence (and preferably reparations, but it doesn't work like that here). Not a brutal death at the hands of an incredibly emotional, biased first party.Zeviander

If I remember right the father didn't intentionally kill the rapist. Wasn't it one or two punches and the guy was dead?DaJuicyMan

the guy could just have a weak skullJandurin

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[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"] Nowhere does it state that the man intended to kill the molestor. The father was even remorseful over it. In Texas, self defense or the castle doctrine does state that deadly force is usable in the prevention of a sexual assault.

WhiteKnight77

She had already been sexually assaulted, he wasn't preventing it and then he just pounds his face in out of anger, if he actually cared about the guy dying, he wouldn't have beat him to death with his f***ing bare fists.

I agree with airshocker, you are a troll and one of the greatest magnitude. This sentence alone means you failed to read the linked article or listen to any video. There was no semen found on the girl as the man was beginning his sexual assault on the girl. The father pulled the man off the girl before he could finish his assault.

Go away troll.

I read the article on OP, and it didn't mention any of this. In any case, the fact that there is a law stating you can murder someone in cold blood with your bare fists to stop a sexual assault (the article stated she was already being raped) is ridiculous. And he didn't just pull him off... that would be fine, he pulled him off and pounded him to death with his bare fists. You're a disgusting human being if you condone this barbaric behavior. Two wrongs don't make a right, and you shouldn't beat a man to death because he raped your daughter, this isn't anarchy, we have laws in place for rape, you shouldn't try to be a vigilante and murder your daughter's rapist. I don't see what's wrong with my thinking here, any decent human being would agree with me.

And I remember when this story first broke, someone bright up an interesting point... what if the father was the one molesting the child and this guy walked in at the wrong time? All I'm going to say on this is the father should not have gotten off without charges. But then again, it is Texas, home to laws that allow you to shoot trespassers with provocation.Zeviander

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]the guy could just have a weak skullZeviander

are you highJandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]are you highZeviander

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]And I remember when this story first broke, someone bright up an interesting point... what if the father was the one molesting the child and this guy walked in at the wrong time? All I'm going to say on this is the father should not have gotten off without charges. But then again, it is Texas, home to laws that allow you to shoot trespassers with provocation.Jandurin