No Murder Charge For Man Who Killed Daughter's Molester

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#251 l4dak47
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[QUOTE="SteverXIII"][QUOTE="airshocker"]We're talking about punishing a man for defending his daughter.GrayF0X786

Defending? I've never once said in this thread that I had a problem with him defending his daughter, I have a problem with him continually beating the guy after he was no longer a threat.

WHAT SHOULD HE FKING DO, PICK HIM UP FROM THE GROUND AND MAKE HIM A CUP OF TEA? THEN TELL HIM BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME? You are a fking JOKE.

Calm down, bro. Smoke a little weed if you have to.
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#252 pie-junior
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[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] i can't disagreeJandurin
That's exactly why he should have been indicted. I think.

the father? what to send a MESSAGE? it's not like he was smoking pot here or something

To send a message is a large chunk of what a criminal procedure is for.

I don't want you or Sharia-man, over there, beating foxhound's brains out because he fondled your daughter. Simply because I can't trust you to punch him the appropriate amount.

I'm not saying he should be convicted, but an indictment goes a long way. your considerations can go in sentencing, via a plea bargain or even with an acquittal.

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#253 GrayF0X786
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="SteverXIII"] Defending? I've never once said in this thread that I had a problem with him defending his daughter, I have a problem with him continually beating the guy after he was no longer a threat.l4dak47

WHAT SHOULD HE FKING DO, PICK HIM UP FROM THE GROUND AND MAKE HIM A CUP OF TEA? THEN TELL HIM BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME? You are a fking JOKE.

Calm down, bro. Smoke a little weed if you have to.

should i stuff my face with burgers aswell? go **** yourself moron.

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#254 SteverXIII
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should i stuff my face with burgers aswell? GrayF0X786
If it helps....
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#255 GrayF0X786
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="pie-junior"] That's exactly why he should have been indicted. I think.pie-junior

the father? what to send a MESSAGE? it's not like he was smoking pot here or something

To send a message is a large chunk of what a criminal procedure is for.

I don't want you or Sharia-man, over there, beating foxhound's brains out because he fondled your daughter. Simply because I can't trust you to punch him the appropriate amount.

I'm not saying he should be convicted, but an indictment goes a long way. your considerations can go in sentencing, via a plea bargain or even with an acquittal.

Sharia-man? lol

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#256 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] WHAT SHOULD HE FKING DO, PICK HIM UP FROM THE GROUND AND MAKE HIM A CUP OF TEA? THEN TELL HIM BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME? You are a fking JOKE.

GrayF0X786

Calm down, bro. Smoke a little weed if you have to.

should i stuff my face with burgers aswell? go **** yourself moron.

scotch will suffice, brohammed
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#257 MrPraline
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Sharia-manGrayF0X786
it's funny because it's a contradictio in terminis men do not treat women like that
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#258 GrayF0X786
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Calm down, bro. Smoke a little weed if you have to. MrPraline

should i stuff my face with burgers aswell? go **** yourself moron.

scotch will suffice, brohammed

pretty sad that off topic actually find you funny. honestly.

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#259 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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I don't want you or Sharia-man, over there, beating foxhound's brains out because he fondled your daughter. Simply because I can't trust you to punch him the appropriate amount.

pie-junior
what better reason and i don't believe anyone should be charged unless they're fully intending to sentence that's just silly treating the law as a way to send a message is p. fvcking stupid bro
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] should i stuff my face with burgers aswell? go **** yourself moron.

GrayF0X786

scotch will suffice, brohammed

pretty sad that off topic actually find you funny. honestly.

praline is better than you will ever be whoever you are
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#261 l4dak47
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[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] WHAT SHOULD HE FKING DO, PICK HIM UP FROM THE GROUND AND MAKE HIM A CUP OF TEA? THEN TELL HIM BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME? You are a fking JOKE.

GrayF0X786

Calm down, bro. Smoke a little weed if you have to.

should i stuff my face with burgers aswell? go **** yourself moron.

....for the munchies? Sure, no issues there.
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#262 GrayF0X786
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] scotch will suffice, brohammedJandurin

pretty sad that off topic actually find you funny. honestly.

praline is better than you will ever be whoever you are

way to feed him. good job

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#263 l4dak47
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[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

I don't want you or Sharia-man, over there, beating foxhound's brains out because he fondled your daughter. Simply because I can't trust you to punch him the appropriate amount.

Jandurin
treating the law as a way to send a message is p. fvcking stupid bro

Totally agree here.
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#264 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] if a man tries to even touch my young daughter, he will be dead. no rapist deserves to live, doing that to a young girl will forever ruin her life, her future will be scared and she will forever be tormented by it, like i said, rapists do not deserve to live.

GrayF0X786

i can't disagree

rape can sometimes be worse then murder itself, some women would rather die then live on with the fact that they got raped, look up the women and young girls from Abu Ghraib who were being raped daily by US soldiers, they would send out letters to their husbands because of what happened.

Doubtful. Given that their husbands would most likely kill them and all their relatives and their little puppies to preserve their honor.
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#265 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] scotch will suffice, brohammedJandurin

pretty sad that off topic actually find you funny. honestly.

praline is better than you will ever be whoever you are

< 3 Jand knows what's up
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#266 l4dak47
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] pretty sad that off topic actually find you funny. honestly.

GrayF0X786

praline is better than you will ever be whoever you are

way to feed him. good job

Bro, I'm telling ya. You really should smoke a little weed. Allah(nsfw) created it for a reason.
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] praline is better than you will ever be whoever you arel4dak47

way to feed him. good job

Bro, I'm telling ya. You really should smoke a little weed. Allah(nsfw) created it for a reason.

i wish i had weed :( BUT I AM ON A BREAK
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsvsRZhNVp4.
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#269 pie-junior
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what better reason and i don't believe anyone should be charged unless they're fully intending to sentence that's just silly treating the law as a way to send a message is p. fvcking stupid broJandurin

The law is meant to send a message. that and private conflict resolution are the two main rationales.

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#270 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] praline is better than you will ever be whoever you arel4dak47

way to feed him. good job

Bro, I'm telling ya. You really should smoke a little weed. Allah(nsfw) created it for a reason.

Truth. While not as strong as the substances he used to communicate with the prophet (cps), it is one of the best recorded creations.
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#271 dave123321
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What is happening guys?
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#272 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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What is happening guys?dave123321
you betrayed us for OT
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#273 GrayF0X786
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What is happening guys?dave123321
the boyband arrived.

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#274 dave123321
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[QUOTE="dave123321"]What is happening guys?Jandurin
you betrayed us for OT

How so, jand?
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#275 StealthMonkey4
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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

No, I think defending someone from being raped by killing the attacker shouldn't warrant any type of criminal prosecution.

Jandurin

There's other ways to stop the rape besides bashing him to death with his fists....

erm fists are the weakest tool we have should he have dick slapped him instead

I didn't really know you have to smash someone's face in to pull them off...

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#276 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="dave123321"]What is happening guys?GrayF0X786

the boyband arrived.

I AM NOT A BOYBAND
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="dave123321"]What is happening guys?MrPraline

the boyband arrived.

I AM NOT A BOYBAND

But you are taliban.
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#278 GrayF0X786
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] the boyband arrived.

sonicare

I AM NOT A BOYBAND

But you are taliban.

LMAO HAHA ROFL:lol::lol::lol: [spoiler] :| [/spoiler]

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#279 dave123321
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I have a headache guys
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#280 StealthMonkey4
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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

I agree with airshocker, you are a troll and one of the greatest magnitude. This sentence alone means you failed to read the linked article or listen to any video. There was no semen found on the girl as the man was beginning his sexual assault on the girl. The father pulled the man off the girl before he could finish his assault.

Go away troll.

WhiteKnight77

I read the article on OP, and it didn't mention any of this. In any case, the fact that there is a law stating you can murder someone in cold blood with your bare fists to stop a sexual assault (the article stated she was already being raped) is ridiculous. And he didn't just pull him off... that would be fine, he pulled him off and pounded him to death with his bare fists. You're a disgusting human being if you condone this barbaric behavior. Two wrongs don't make a right, and you shouldn't beat a man to death because he raped your daughter, this isn't anarchy, we have laws in place for rape, you shouldn't try to be a vigilante and murder your daughter's rapist. I don't see what's wrong with my thinking here, any decent human being would agree with me.

You proved my assertion that you didn't even watch the video and listen to what the prosecutor said in the press conference. You may have read the article, but it looks as if you glossed over it just enough to see that the man wouldn't be charged. The father did not set out to murder the man sexually assaulting his daughter, but he did want to exact some justice. You cannot sit here and tell this forum that you would not have beat a man trying to rape your 5 year old daughter.

Please, do not breed. No real criminals would be put in jail and victims of crime would be if you and others like you had your way.

If you punch someone in the face and they die, it doesn't matter what your intention was, it's still manslaughter, and that person is still dead... And you can't judge me and tell me what i would and wouldn't do. If I did let my anger take control of me, I would accept my wrong doings and any prison sentence that I deserve. They both deserve jail time, unfortunately though, one of them was murdered in cold blood.

Just to clear it up, I don't mean legal murder necessarily, but people are acting like it was fine for him to kill the guy simply because he raped his daughter. I believe he intended to kill the guy, even if not, he should still be charged with manslaughter.

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#281 dave123321
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Also I am okay with what happened with the stuff the topic is about
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#282 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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If you punch someone in the face and they die, it doesn't matter what your intention was, it's still murder, and that person is still dead... And you can't judge me and tell me what i would and wouldn't do. If I did let my anger take control of me, I would accept my wrong doings and any prison sentence that I deserve. They both deserve jail time, unfortunately though, one of them was murdered in cold blood.

StealthMonkey4

It's not MURDER. Go learn the damn definition of the word before you use it again.

Here, I'll help you:

1.Law. thekillingofanotherhumanbeingunderconditionsspecificallycoveredinlaw.IntheU.S.,specialstatutorydefinitionsincludemurdercommittedwithmaliceaforethought,characterizedbydeliberationorpremeditationoroccurringduringthecommissionofanotherseriouscrime,asrobberyorarson(first-degreemurder),andmurderbyintentbutwithoutdeliberationorpremeditation(second-degreemurder).
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#283 pie-junior
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If you punch someone in the face and they die, it doesn't matter what your intention was, it's still murder

StealthMonkey4

lol, no.

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#284 MrPraline
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If you punch someone in the face and they die, it doesn't matter what your intention was, it's still murderStealthMonkey4
No, that is very silly. Since this thread is about charges I'll assume you are talking legally; that is definitely not "always" murder. Mens rea, brohammed.
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If you punch someone in the face and they die, it doesn't matter what your intention was, it's still murder, and that person is still dead.StealthMonkey4
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#286 StealthMonkey4
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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

If you punch someone in the face and they die, it doesn't matter what your intention was, it's still murder

pie-junior

lol, no.

He would have simply ripped him off if he didn't intend on killing him, he punched him repeatedly which was unnecessary, you'd have to be blind to think he wasn't trying to murder him

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#287 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

If you punch someone in the face and they die, it doesn't matter what your intention was, it's still murder

StealthMonkey4

lol, no.

He would have simply ripped him off if he didn't intend on killing him, he punched him repeatedly which was unnecessary, you'd have to be blind to think he wasn't trying to murder him

that's not murder, brometheus these things have legal definitions, you know
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#288 StealthMonkey4
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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

lol, no.

MrPraline

He would have simply ripped him off if he didn't intend on killing him, he punched him repeatedly which was unnecessary, you'd have to be blind to think he wasn't trying to murder him

that's not murder, brometheus these things have legal definitions, you know

I wasn't talking legally. I was talking morally, about how people in this thread feel it was fine for him to kill someone just because they raped his daughter.

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#289 dave123321
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I would also be totally fine with an indictment. No one should be above the law. Talking in general, nit necessarily about this
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

He would have simply ripped him off if he didn't intend on killing him, he punched him repeatedly which was unnecessary, you'd have to be blind to think he wasn't trying to murder him

StealthMonkey4

that's not murder, brometheus these things have legal definitions, you know

I wasn't talking legally. I was talking morally, about how people in this thread feel it was fine for him to kill someone just because they raped his daughter.

if someone killed you and you were a ghost and you could kill them back would you
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#291 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

He would have simply ripped him off if he didn't intend on killing him, he punched him repeatedly which was unnecessary, you'd have to be blind to think he wasn't trying to murder him

StealthMonkey4

that's not murder, brometheus these things have legal definitions, you know

I wasn't talking legally. I was talking morally, about how people in this thread feel it was fine for him to kill someone just because they raped his daughter.

I'm staying out of taking sides on this issue, frankly because I'm not sure where I stand. This thing is way too complicated for me to judge right now. With that said, if you use legal (and loaded) terms such as "murder" it is expected you use them correctly.
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#292 Dystopian-X
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[QUOTE="dave123321"]What is happening guys?Jandurin
you betrayed us for OT

And nothing of value was lost

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#293 StealthMonkey4
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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] that's not murder, brometheus these things have legal definitions, you knowMrPraline

I wasn't talking legally. I was talking morally, about how people in this thread feel it was fine for him to kill someone just because they raped his daughter.

I'm staying out of taking sides on this issue, frankly because I'm not sure where I stand. This thing is way too complicated for me to judge right now. With that said, if you use legal (and loaded) terms such as "murder" it is expected you use them correctly.

At the very least it's manslaughter, but he didn't even get charged with manslaughter...

And he did have malice, he was angry over his daughter being raped and brutally killed him.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="dave123321"]What is happening guys?Dystopian-X

you betrayed us for OT

And nothing of value was lost

:hah:
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#295 pie-junior
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[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

If you punch someone in the face and they die, it doesn't matter what your intention was, it's still murder

StealthMonkey4

lol, no.

He would have simply ripped him off if he didn't intend on killing him, he punched him repeatedly which was unnecessary, you'd have to be blind to think he wasn't trying to murder him

So now you're saying there was intent. I don't think there was, though. maybe carelesness or indifference (which is still mens rea, but just enough for manslaughter). Anyway, before you go in to what he meant to do, you have primary defences of necessity- and then he could have intent and it still wouln't matter.
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#296 dave123321
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

He would have simply ripped him off if he didn't intend on killing him, he punched him repeatedly which was unnecessary, you'd have to be blind to think he wasn't trying to murder him

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that's not murder, brometheus these things have legal definitions, you know

I wasn't talking legally. I was talking morally, about how people in this thread feel it was fine for him to kill someone just because they raped his daughter.

mhm, though in this situation I feel the father was unable to think rationally and control himself. It would be hard for anyone to. But dislike that many people want to give people a pass for certain things because they may be a victim or helping a victim.
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#297 dave123321
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="dave123321"]What is happening guys?Dystopian-X

you betrayed us for OT

And nothing of value was lost

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#298 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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I don't know, this is a weird case. I think the guy still should have been charged for Manslaughter and then acquitted just so this doesn't set some sort of legal precedent where people can take the law into their own hands and go off scott free.

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#299 StealthMonkey4
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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] that's not murder, brometheus these things have legal definitions, you knowJandurin

I wasn't talking legally. I was talking morally, about how people in this thread feel it was fine for him to kill someone just because they raped his daughter.

if someone killed you and you were a ghost and you could kill them back would you

If I did, it wouldn't be morally justified.

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#300 deactivated-5acfa3a8bc51d
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Wonder how it feels to kill a man legally. Sure the law and society says the legal murder is correct but my conscious would be eating me alive over it.