Noah's Ark - Do You Accept it as Fact?

[QUOTE="NodakJo2010"]

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

Except science is not a belief system.

black_cat19

Do you believe it?

You're missing the point. Because it's factual, I don't have to.

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

[QUOTE="NodakJo2010"]

Do you believe it?

NodakJo2010

You're missing the point. Because it's factual, I don't have to.

Lol I don't whats right or wrong...again...Obviously you believe science is right...your just being defensive about it because you know I'm right that you are right.

[QUOTE="NodakJo2010"]

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

You're missing the point. Because it's factual, I don't have to.

Diophage

Lol I don't whats right or wrong...again...Obviously you believe science is right...your just being defensive about it because you know I'm right that you are right.

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

[QUOTE="NodakJo2010"]

Lol I don't whats right or wrong...again...Obviously you believe science is right...your just being defensive about it because you know I'm right that you are right.

RisethNameless

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

[QUOTE="NodakJo2010"]

Do you believe it?

NodakJo2010

You're missing the point. Because it's factual, I don't have to.

Lol I don't care whats right or wrong...again...Obviously you believe science is right...your just being defensive about it because you know I'm right that you are right.

And again to you sir good night lol.

*sigh*

You're not even worth the effort, but here you go anyway:

No, I don't believe science is right because science doesn't involve belief of any kind. Science involves the systematic organization of that which is observable, measurable, testable, and repeatable; it only concerns itself with facts. One can't believe in science because science only acknowledges what is already there.

One thing im curious to know is if Noah took 2 of every animal, did he also take animals from the sea?

Cause honestly that would be a waste of space since they would have survived anyways. He shoulda
made room for the unicorns instead :/

But to answer the OP...no i dont believe in stupid BS that the bible (or any religious text) spews out.

I can't know for sure, I don't believe in anything breaking into my house, nor do I believe my family was raped. But how can I know if my family can actually be raped, are they even real? I believe they're real, but I only believe it, It's not a solid fact. They could be shades in my mind. I could be the only real person in the world. Or maybe even I'm just false, and my belief in myself has led me to blindly accept myself as real. I also believe that the quote button isn't working for some reason, I believe I have to click "New Message" to say stuff to you. But maybe I was wrong...RisethNameless

Pick up a rock, and then let go of it. What happens? It falls to the ground at 9.81m/s2. Do it again, and it falls again. Do it a million times, and you'll still end up with a rock on the ground. It doesn't matter if you believe the rock to be fake, or your very existence to be an illusion, the fact is -whether you believe it's there or not- the rock always behaves in a predictable pattern when dropped. That pattern can be observed, measured, and repeated. That is science.

[QUOTE="RisethNameless"]I can't know for sure, I don't believe in anything breaking into my house, nor do I believe my family was raped. But how can I know if my family can actually be raped, are they even real? I believe they're real, but I only believe it, It's not a solid fact. They could be shades in my mind. I could be the only real person in the world. Or maybe even I'm just false, and my belief in myself has led me to blindly accept myself as real. I also believe that the quote button isn't working for some reason, I believe I have to click "New Message" to say stuff to you. But maybe I was wrong...black_cat19

Pick up a rock, and then let go of it. What happens? It falls to the ground at 9.81m/s2. Do it again, and it falls again. Do it a million times, and you'll still end up with a rock on the ground. It doesn't matter if you believe the rock to be fake, or your very existence to be an illusion, the fact is -whether you believe it's there or not- the rock always behaves in a predictable pattern when dropped. That pattern can be observed, measured, and repeated. That is science.

There are so many things wrong with this. I just want the people who believe the event happened to explain a few things. And please let me know if I get anything wrong.

If you've taken a marine biology class of any kind, you should understand how ridiculous Noah's Ark is.

• Salt water and fresh water. If the whole world flooded, the two would mix, killing off tons of sea life. EVOLUTION
• Every organism is part of a complex system. Even the tiniest change in one population could cause some serious problems. EVOLUTION
• Temperature. Weather. Water covering the entire globe would disrupt weather patterns and cause mass extinction. And what the hell is going on inside the Ark to sustain such diverse life?
• Terrain. Water changes it. Again, this would cause huge problems that would render thousands of years of evolution useless (extinction).

And I think this just barely scratches the surface. Someone could write a novel on this!

And if it was all possible because of God, did He really take all these things into account? Does God know He killed more organisms than He saved? If so, why would he do that? That's evil if you ask me.

Rikusaki

Let me see if I could solve this. Could only answer the first two. My guesses.

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]God can make supernatural events happen. He can make a supernatural event for a man to build an ark. A supernatural force for 2 of every animal to board an ark. A supernatural event to flood the world, which in some Christian religions, symbolizes "this terrestrial planet being baptized by water." This isn't science or nature. This is God. This is supernatural forces, supernatural power, breaking the laws of physics and science. God can do it. Yes, I do accept it as fact.Tokugawa77

Why would you want to try?

People are not all born with equally competent mental faculties, I consider mine subpar at best. But I've always at least had the privilege of having a BS meter factory installed, and people like that certainly peg it out. Blah blah god is great, blah blah I know so because the bible says. Even when reality says something completely contradictory, it's of no consequence to them because they don't exist as a consequence of reality... but of god.

And if they say god is reality, why would he add in evidence contradictory to doctrine? This is assuming we can even agree on which of the thousands of gods created this mess to begin with… irrational thought is like lying, the web you spin eventually becomes too complex and is shown for the fallacy it is. People are so eager to believe in eternal gods, why not just say instead reality is eternal?

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

[QUOTE="RisethNameless"]I can't know for sure, I don't believe in anything breaking into my house, nor do I believe my family was raped. But how can I know if my family can actually be raped, are they even real? I believe they're real, but I only believe it, It's not a solid fact. They could be shades in my mind. I could be the only real person in the world. Or maybe even I'm just false, and my belief in myself has led me to blindly accept myself as real. I also believe that the quote button isn't working for some reason, I believe I have to click "New Message" to say stuff to you. But maybe I was wrong...RisethNameless

Pick up a rock, and then let go of it. What happens? It falls to the ground at 9.81m/s2. Do it again, and it falls again. Do it a million times, and you'll still end up with a rock on the ground. It doesn't matter if you believe the rock to be fake, or your very existence to be an illusion, the fact is -whether you believe it's there or not- the rock always behaves in a predictable pattern when dropped. That pattern can be observed, measured, and repeated. That is science.

Well, I could throw it at your head, and then you tell me. :P

Seriously though, even if reality as a whole was just an extremely elaborate illusion, simulation, or whatever, science would still be true, because it's purpose is to find out and explain the rules that govern that illusion, regardless of where the illusion came from or what lies beyond it.

Anyway, I'll go ahead and stop giving serious answers to joke posts, it's just that other guy claiming science is a belief system really got on my nerves. Sorry about that. :)

[QUOTE="RisethNameless"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]

Pick up a rock, and then let go of it. What happens? It falls to the ground at 9.81m/s2. Do it again, and it falls again. Do it a million times, and you'll still end up with a rock on the ground. It doesn't matter if you believe the rock to be fake, or your very existence to be an illusion, the fact is -whether you believe it's there or not- the rock always behaves in a predictable pattern when dropped. That pattern can be observed, measured, and repeated. That is science.

black_cat19

Well, I could throw it at your head, and then you tell me. :P

Seriously though, even if reality as a whole was just an extremely elaborate illusion, simulation, or whatever, science would still be true, because it's purpose is to find out and explain the rules that govern that illusion, regardless of where the illusion came from or what lies beyond it.

Anyway, I'll go ahead and stop giving serious answers to joke posts, it's just that other guy claiming science is a belief system really got on my nerves. Sorry about that. :P

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]Well, the bible is full of scientific falsities.. which is why it should be discredited completely, among other thingsferrari2001

I don't buy it. I mean, in order to save all the species and also hold enough supplies for everyone the boat must have been HUGE. We barely build such big boats nowadays. I doubt some dude built one thousands of years ago from wood.iskeethunters

Most Christians don't take every detail in the bible literally and more often than not, events depicted are symbolic of actual historic events. For example, many natural disasters that kill of most of the current species and leave only a select few.

I don't think you are meant to take these tales 100% literally as the word of God in exactly what happened. Some people read into them WAY too much, and I think a defining point of Christianity is that it seems very reformist, willing to change, which I like. I mean, Jesus was a reformist, that was his point, updating the Jewish religion and all, and following what he thought was the morality it taught I guess.

So I don't think anyone believes that it actually happened, and if it did then... whatever, so what? What would that change?

Seems pretty true to me.

[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="RisethNameless"]Silly. I was just having a bit of fun. Don't take it seriously Lonelynight

[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="RisethNameless"]Silly. I was just having a bit of fun. Don't take it seriously RisethNameless

Yes, but I only trust the Qur'anic account of it--not the Biblical one. Noah [p.b.u.h] was a man that was only sent to preach to a certain people. Surah 9:70 of the Qur'an says "Hath not the story reached them of those before them?-- The people of Noah, and Ad, and Thamud; the people of Abraham, the men of Midian, and the cities overthrown. To them came messengers with clear signs. It is Not Allah who wrongs them, but they wrong their own souls". Noah [p.b.u.h] was only persecuted by a certain group, so the flood was sent to wipe out only a certain group of people (nowhere in the Qur'an does it say that it was a worldwide flood). If in fact it was local, Noah [p.b.u.h] only would've had to gather two of ever kind of animal that lived in his area. The account in the book of Genesis is exaggerated and scientifically unacceptable.

Yes, but I only trust the Qur'anic account of it--not the Biblical one. Noah [p.b.u.h] was a man that was only sent to preach to a certain people. Surah 9:70 of the Qur'an says "Hath not the story reached them of those before them?-- The people of Noah, and Ad, and Thamud; the people of Abraham, the men of Midian, and the cities overthrown. To them came messengers with clear signs. It is Not Allah who wrongs them, but they wrong their own souls". Noah [p.b.u.h] was only persecuted by a certain group, so the flood was sent to wipe out only a certain group of people (nowhere in the Qur'an does it say that it was a worldwide flood). If in fact it was local, Noah [p.b.u.h] only would've had to gather two of ever kind of animal that lived in his area. The account in the book of Genesis is exaggerated and scientifically unacceptable.dracula_16

Oh boy you sure have changed...(for the worst)Lonelynight

You don't have to like me, but I hope you could at least see why I believe that the flood was merely a local one.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Oh boy you sure have changed...(for the worst)dracula_16

You don't have to like me, but I hope you could at least see why I believe that the flood was merely a local one.

I don't get it. Go back 100 years or so (and still in some countries) the bible is 100% correct. Now due to the advancements in science and common sense it seems people say "oh don't take it literally, but its still correct and there is a God". Just seems like there are a bunch of "yeah but..." people.

It's complete silliness. There's not nearly enough water on planet earth to cover the entire surface. And what does it say about god really - that he would create a world full of people, and then commit mass genocide, wiping out all but one family? Good grief.

You forget one thing Captain Science, he's God, science doesn't apply to him. With that being said I'm not debating this, I've made my point.

BATTOSAI76

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

You forget one thing Captain Science, he's God, science doesn't apply to him. With that being said I'm not debating this, I've made my point.

Rikusaki

Yeah, but what did he do? Did he really kill all of those organisms? Did he bring them back afterwards or something?

How come everything was executed in such a stupid way? Just to prove that he could do it?

Was God showing off? Does he think he's cool or something?

A lot of what you find in bible shouldn't be taken as a fact.

The answer is simple: Noah was an alien.

See, thousands of years ago, before humanity existed, aliens came to earth right before a large natural cataclysm. These aliens were able to save two of every plant and animal on the earth so that when the disaster's effects had subsided, the earth could be reseeded, and repopulated. There may have been a large "flood" (and there IS scientific evidence to support such a theory, just Google it...). But the fact of the matter is, thousands and thousands of years ago there was no written word. Many stories were only passed on verbally. It's like a game of telephone played for generations. The facts were muddled.

Look at the story of Noah from the Bible. What is said is that someone came in a large vessel, took two of each animal on board, and were able to all remain safe while the world was destroyed. And it's probably because they were in orbit.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]Where did all the water come from? Did God make it? :Pfoxhound_fox

I'd fill the whole page with LOL's if i knew I wouldn't be modded for it.

The answer is simple: Noah was an alien.

See, thousands of years ago, before humanity existed, aliens came to earth right before a large natural cataclysm. These aliens were able to save two of every plant and animal on the earth so that when the disaster's effects had subsided, the earth could be reseeded, and repopulated. There may have been a large "flood" (and there IS scientific evidence to support such a theory, just Google it...). But the fact of the matter is, thousands and thousands of years ago there was no written word. Many stories were only passed on verbally. It's like a game of telephone played for generations. The facts were muddled.

Look at the story of Noah from the Bible. What is said is that someone came in a large vessel, took two of each animal on board, and were able to all remain safe while the world was destroyed. And it's probably because they were in orbit.

[QUOTE="sundown19"]

The answer is simple: Noah was an alien.

See, thousands of years ago, before humanity existed, aliens came to earth right before a large natural cataclysm. These aliens were able to save two of every plant and animal on the earth so that when the disaster's effects had subsided, the earth could be reseeded, and repopulated. There may have been a large "flood" (and there IS scientific evidence to support such a theory, just Google it...). But the fact of the matter is, thousands and thousands of years ago there was no written word. Many stories were only passed on verbally. It's like a game of telephone played for generations. The facts were muddled.

Look at the story of Noah from the Bible. What is said is that someone came in a large vessel, took two of each animal on board, and were able to all remain safe while the world was destroyed. And it's probably because they were in orbit.

Frame_Dragger

Okay that made me laugh. I was dreading going to Wal-Mart this morning, but that image of Fry is going to keep me amused.