Noah's Ark Found?

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]He is God, but that doesn't mean he can just snap his fingers and make everything disappeargameguy6700

Actually, yeah, it pretty much does, from the definition of "omnipotent".

Oh man, I want to sig quote this so badly. I would too were it not for the fact that it's apparently against GS rules.

Here's the answer to your question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OmnipotenceSnipes_2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence1. A deity is able to do anything that is logically possible for it to do.2. A deity is able to do anything that it chooses to do. 3. A deity is able to do anything that is in accord with its own nature (thus, for instance, if it is a logical consequence of a deity's nature that what it speaks is truth, then it is not able to lie). 4. Hold that it is part of a deity's nature to be consistent and that it would be inconsistent for said deity to go against its own laws unless there was a reason to do so. 5. A deity is able to do anything that corresponds with its omniscience and therefore with its worldplan. 6. A deity is able to do absolutely anything, even the logically impossible. Can a deity create a rock so heavy that even the deity itself cannot lift it? If so, then the rock is now unliftable, limiting the deity's power. But if not, then the deity is still not omnipotent because it cannot create that rock. This question cannot be answered using formal logic due to its self-referential nature[. . .]

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Actually, yeah, it pretty much does, from the definition of "omnipotent".

Snipes_2

Oh man, I want to sig quote this so badly. I would too were it not for the fact that it's apparently against GS rules.

Your whole post was:

"He is God, but that doesn't mean he can just snap his fingers and make everything disappear, I don't think it works that way. Who knows, God is infinite, We have finite minds. I don't think we will ever fully grasp why God does what he Does"

I fail to see how Gabu's edit of your post is taking it out of context. If I included my post, the one you were responding to, it would just lengthen things tremendously without adding anything important seeing as how my post boiled down to "Since God is God he could do anything he wanted. Why bother with the flood?".

Have you ever considered that according to belief system that places faith in scientific naturalism, there are "gods". First, there are the "creator gods", "chance" and "random mutation". Then there is the "god of divine judgment", "natural selection". These "gods" impose their "will" and "plan" on the natural world through chaos and random accident during "creation", and "judgment" through the death of the less fit, favoring the survival of the fittest in their "divine plan" for the linear progression of life. They even have a "messiah", Charles Darwin who "came" to spread his "gospel" of the origin and purpose of life. They even have "prophets", "shamans", and "theologians", the scientists that speculate and create their "myths and doctrine" about how life began and evolved, as in the "slime plus time hypothesis". In addition, they have strict discipline within their faith. Any scientist that dares to speak openly about their doubt in the faith of scientific naturalism can and will be "ex-communicated." Finally, they have their "miracles", beliefs like "nothing created everything" at the big bang, and life began by "self-creation" from non-living chemicals. There you have it, scientific naturalism, one interesting faith.

You guys can`t be serious.

A.) Two animals cannot re populate an entire species.

B.) If there was only a family on the Ark of humans, how did they repopulate the Earth.

C.) If there were a Global Flood, all the salt and fresh water would be together and all aquatic life would die.

D.) Insects are an important part of this planet.

E.) It is absolutely impossible to feed and maintain EVERY species on the planet. Very particular diets, enviroments, etc.

F.) Disease would be passed around a crowded boat like that so fast that everyone would be dead in a week.

G.) Explain how the polar ice caps exist. They would have been destroyed by a global flood and would not be here today.

H.) You can not fit 2 of every animal in the world on 450ft boat.

I.) Many animals would die outside of their natural enviroments I.E Some anthropods that require 100% humidity

J.) Every tree, plant and crop that wasn`t aquatic would die.

K.) How did the predators survive when they were taken off the Ark with only a few prey to eat. Likewise, how did the prey survive with predators constantly stalking them.

L.) How did any animal survive due to the lack of plants to eat.

The idea is absolutely ridiculous.

Waiting for an answer...

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

Oh man, I want to sig quote this so badly. I would too were it not for the fact that it's apparently against GS rules.

gameguy6700

Your whole post was:

"He is God, but that doesn't mean he can just snap his fingers and make everything disappear, I don't think it works that way. Who knows, God is infinite, We have finite minds. I don't think we will ever fully grasp why God does what he Does"

I fail to see how Gabu's edit of your post is taking it out of context. If I included my post, the one you were responding to, it would just lengthen things tremendously without adding anything important seeing as how my post boiled down to "Since God is God he could do anything he wanted. Why bother with the flood?".

This part is key here "I don't think it works that way.Who knows, God is infinite, We have finite minds. I don't think we will ever fully grasp why God does what he Does"

Have you ever considered that according to belief system that places faith in scientific naturalism, there are "gods". First, there are the "creator gods", "chance" and "random mutation". Then there is the "god of divine judgment", "natural selection". These "gods" impose their "will" and "plan" on the natural world through chaos and random accident during "creation", and "judgment" through the death of the less fit, favoring the survival of the fittest in their "divine plan" for the linear progression of life. They even have a "messiah", Charles Darwin who "came" to spread his "gospel" of the origin and purpose of life. They even have "prophets", "shamans", and "theologians", the scientists that speculate and create their "myths and doctrine" about how life began and evolved, as in the "slime plus time hypothesis". In addition, they have strict discipline within their faith. Any scientist that dares to speak openly about their doubt in the faith of scientific naturalism can and will be "ex-communicated." Finally, they have their "miracles", beliefs like "nothing created everything" at the big bang, and life began by "self-creation" from non-living chemicals. There you have it, scientific naturalism, one interesting faith.

blackregiment

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You might want to put it in Context and take my whole post then. Not just the part that is favorable for you. Snipes_2

Your whole post was:

"He is God, but that doesn't mean he can just snap his fingers and make everything disappear, I don't think it works that way. Who knows, God is infinite, We have finite minds. I don't think we will ever fully grasp why God does what he Does"

I fail to see how Gabu's edit of your post is taking it out of context. If I included my post, the one you were responding to, it would just lengthen things tremendously without adding anything important seeing as how my post boiled down to "Since God is God he could do anything he wanted. Why bother with the flood?".

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

Your whole post was:

"He is God, but that doesn't mean he can just snap his fingers and make everything disappear, I don't think it works that way. Who knows, God is infinite, We have finite minds. I don't think we will ever fully grasp why God does what he Does"

I fail to see how Gabu's edit of your post is taking it out of context. If I included my post, the one you were responding to, it would just lengthen things tremendously without adding anything important seeing as how my post boiled down to "Since God is God he could do anything he wanted. Why bother with the flood?".

urdead18

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Your disagreement does not make it so, nor do the alleged claims of these secular scientists. Our universe did not exist, hence nothing existed relative to our universe, but clearly for the big bang to have occurred, the singularity that caused it must have existed in some form. Scientists do not claim to know where this singularity came from or how it came to be.

I suggest you research more into this theory before posting more about it.

GabuEx

I extend the same recommendation to you. :)

Would you happen to be able to quote for me rigorous scientific literature on the Big Bang Theory that states, as part of the theory, that the universe was created from nothing?

If you are interested in seeing what the shamans of the faith in scientific naturalism have to say, I suggest your research their holy books. I do a lot of things but a research assistant I am not. Do a Google search there are numerous articles on the Big Bang.

Here is one current theory. :)

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You might want to put it in Context and take my whole post then. Not just the part that is favorable for you. Snipes_2

Your whole post was:

"He is God, but that doesn't mean he can just snap his fingers and make everything disappear, I don't think it works that way. Who knows, God is infinite, We have finite minds. I don't think we will ever fully grasp why God does what he Does"

I fail to see how Gabu's edit of your post is taking it out of context. If I included my post, the one you were responding to, it would just lengthen things tremendously without adding anything important seeing as how my post boiled down to "Since God is God he could do anything he wanted. Why bother with the flood?".

This part is key here "I don't think it works that way.Who knows, God is infinite, We have finite minds. I don't think we will ever fully grasp why God does what he Does"

Gabu wasn't responding to that though. He was responding to the fact that you tried to claim that God isn't omnipotent. Adding the stuff about "we can't understand God" doesn't change the fact that you actually said God isn't omnipotent.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

I extend the same recommendation to you. :)

blackregiment

Would you happen to be able to quote for me rigorous scientific literature on the Big Bang Theory that states, as part of the theory, that the universe was created from nothing?

If you are interested in seeing what the shamans of the faith in scientific naturalism have to say, I suggest your research their holy books. I do a lot of things but a research assistant I am not. Do a Google search there are numerous articles on the Big Bang.

So you aren't able to quote for me any rigorous scientific literature on the Big Bang Theory that states, as part of the theory, that the universe was created from nothing.

...OK then.

[QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] And my answer was, I don't know. God is infinite, we cannot Fathom why He does what He does. IF we could he wouldn't be God. Snipes_2

That is the problem with humanity. We all want to be. The Bible speaks of that. That was one of satan's original lies.

Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

Your whole post was:

"He is God, but that doesn't mean he can just snap his fingers and make everything disappear, I don't think it works that way. Who knows, God is infinite, We have finite minds. I don't think we will ever fully grasp why God does what he Does"

I fail to see how Gabu's edit of your post is taking it out of context. If I included my post, the one you were responding to, it would just lengthen things tremendously without adding anything important seeing as how my post boiled down to "Since God is God he could do anything he wanted. Why bother with the flood?".

gameguy6700

This part is key here "I don't think it works that way.Who knows, God is infinite, We have finite minds. I don't think we will ever fully grasp why God does what he Does"

Gabu wasn't responding to that though. He was responding to the fact that you tried to claim that God isn't omnipotent. Adding the stuff about "we can't understand God" doesn't change the fact that you actually said God isn't omnipotent.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="urdead18"] You just love the mystery of it all huh.blackregiment

That is the problem with humanity. We all want to be. The Bible speaks of that. That was one of satan's original lies.

Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Would you happen to be able to quote for me rigorous scientific literature on the Big Bang Theory that states, as part of the theory, that the universe was created from nothing?

GabuEx

If you are interested in seeing what the shamans of the faith in scientific naturalism have to say, I suggest your research their holy books. I do a lot of things but a research assistant I am not. Do a Google search there are numerous articles on the Big Bang.

So you aren't able to quote for me any rigorous scientific literature on the Big Bang Theory that states, as part of the theory, that the universe was created from nothing.

...OK then.

No, I said I am not a research assistant. If you are interested in that, you are welcome to do your own research. Fair enough.

Since we are on the subject of requesting others to do research, in other threads, you have expressed doubt as to whether Jesus was God and rose from the dead.

Provide me one eyewitness from the time of Jesus that wrote that He was an eyewitness and that Jesus did not rise from the dead.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You can't explain God, he wouldn't be God then. We'd all be Gods if we could.

Snipes_2

That is the problem with humanity. We all want to be. The Bible speaks of that. That was one of satan's original lies.

Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

It more that we humans want to be our own god rather than understand everything about God, unless of course one is an adopted child of God in Christ. Without Christ, we want to be accountable only to ourselves.

Satan told several lies in the Garden and humanity has been following them since the beginning. Another one is the original lie that satan posed as a question. "Yea hath God said?"

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Mankind has been questioning the Word of God ever since. Many posts in this very thread confirm this very thing.

No, I said I am not a research assistant. If you are interested in that, you are welcome to do your own research. Fair enough.

blackregiment

Well, it's just that, since that you stress so much that the statement that "everything was created from nothing" is a part of the Big Bang Theory, I would have expected you to be able to cite some scientific literature from which you derived that since that's, you know, what defines the scientific body of knowledge and theory. I mean, I'm just sayin'...

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

If you are interested in seeing what the shamans of the faith in scientific naturalism have to say, I suggest your research their holy books. I do a lot of things but a research assistant I am not. Do a Google search there are numerous articles on the Big Bang.

blackregiment

So you aren't able to quote for me any rigorous scientific literature on the Big Bang Theory that states, as part of the theory, that the universe was created from nothing.

...OK then.

No, I said I am not a research assistant. If you are interested in that, you are welcome to do your own research. Fair enough.

Since we are on the subject of requesting others to do research, in other threads, you have expressed doubt as to whether Jesus was God and rose from the dead.

Provide me one eyewitness from the time of Jesus that wrote that He was an eyewitness and that Jesus did not rise from the dead.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

That is the problem with humanity. We all want to be. The Bible speaks of that. That was one of satan's original lies.

Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

blackregiment

Yes, satan told several lies in the Garden and humanity has been following them since the beginning. Another one is the original lie that satan posed as a question. "Yea hath God said?"

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Mankind has been questioning the Word of God ever since. Many posts in this very thread confirm this very thing.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

So you aren't able to quote for me any rigorous scientific literature on the Big Bang Theory that states, as part of the theory, that the universe was created from nothing.

...OK then.

Snipes_2

No, I said I am not a research assistant. If you are interested in that, you are welcome to do your own research. Fair enough.

Since we are on the subject of requesting others to do research, in other threads, you have expressed doubt as to whether Jesus was God and rose from the dead.

Provide me one eyewitness from the time of Jesus that wrote that He was an eyewitness and that Jesus did not rise from the dead.

"Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something"

Last time I checked, something =/= nothing.

"The Big Bang theory is an effort to explain what happened at the very beginning of our universe. Discoveries in astronomy and physics have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that our universe did in fact have a beginning. Prior to that moment there was nothing; during and after that moment there was something: our universe."According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 13.7 billion years ago. What is a "singularity" and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, we don't know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics. They are thought to exist at the core of "black holes." Black holes are areas of intense gravitational pressure. The pressure is thought to be so intense that finite matter is actually squished into infinite density (a mathematical concept which truly boggles the mind). These zones of infinite density are called "singularities." Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something - a singularity. Where did it come from? We don't know. Why did it appear? We don't know. http://www.big-bang-theory.com/ I think that pretty much states that they think we came from nothing. Pressure Squishing into something which became something else. Snipes_2

Bolded is the part that says in no uncertain terms that something did not come from nothing. Our universe began as a singularity which rapidly expanded and cooled. Science has not yet answered the question regarding where that singularity came from. But neither has science concluded that it came into existence from nothing.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

No, I said I am not a research assistant. If you are interested in that, you are welcome to do your own research. Fair enough.

Since we are on the subject of requesting others to do research, in other threads, you have expressed doubt as to whether Jesus was God and rose from the dead.

Provide me one eyewitness from the time of Jesus that wrote that He was an eyewitness and that Jesus did not rise from the dead.

789shadow

"Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something"

Last time I checked, something =/= nothing.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]"The Big Bang theory is an effort to explain what happened at the very beginning of our universe. Discoveries in astronomy and physics have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that our universe did in fact have a beginning. Prior to that moment there was nothing; during and after that moment there was something: our universe."According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 13.7 billion years ago. What is a "singularity" and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, we don't know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics. They are thought to exist at the core of "black holes." Black holes are areas of intense gravitational pressure. The pressure is thought to be so intense that finite matter is actually squished into infinite density (a mathematical concept which truly boggles the mind). These zones of infinite density are called "singularities." Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something - a singularity. Where did it come from? We don't know. Why did it appear? We don't know. http://www.big-bang-theory.com/ I think that pretty much states that they think we came from nothing. Pressure Squishing into something which became something else. GabuEx

Bolded is the part that says in no uncertain terms that something did not come from nothing. Our universe began as a singularity which rapidly expanded and cooled. Science has not yet answered the question regarding where that singularity came from. But neither has science concluded that it came into existence from nothing.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

The evidence for a world-wide flood is everwhere

RobboElRobbo

So much so that oneAdam Sedgwickrecognized even way back in 1830 that the idea of a global flood was untenable, having previously held that it was fact.

I'm gonna look like an idiot when someone explains this to me but I'm gonna ask anyway. How is it possible that the whole world could flood? The amount of water on earth doesn't change as far as I know. Where does this flood come from? You need to have water evaporated first in order to have precipitation. In which case the water cycle just repeats.

Just quoting this in attempt to get an answer. :P

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

That is the problem with humanity. We all want to be. The Bible speaks of that. That was one of satan's original lies.

Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

blackregiment

It more that we humans want to be our own god rather than understand everything about God, unless of course one is an adopted child of God in Christ. Without Christ, we want to be accountable only to ourselves.

Satan told several lies in the Garden and humanity has been following them since the beginning. Another one is the original lie that satan posed as a question. "Yea hath God said?"

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Mankind has been questioning the Word of God ever since. Many posts in this very thread confirm this very thing.

Your facebook group was hilarious man. Why'd you kick me out? :P

IT says "Prior to that moment there was nothing" and "finite matter is actually squished into infinite density", they are saying they don't know, but our Universe just suddenly appeared out of nowhere? Snipes_2

In explaining the origins of the universe in colloquial terms, it is generally easier for understanding to just say "nothing". But that is precisely why I asked for rigorous scientific literature (which that web site is not), because that is most certainly not precisely what the Big Bang Theory states. The Big Bang Theory, rigorously defined, constrains itself to begin with the singularity already in existence and proceeds from there, much as the theory of evolution begins with life already in existence and proceeds from there. It says absolutely nothing whatsoever regarding how that singularity came into existence.Scientific theories explain a very strictly defined set of phenomena in the universe, and nothing else. That is the realm of a new theory that has not yet been developed, and as such, science does not profess to hold an answer to that question of, "Where did the singularity come from?". The beginning of that singularity is, to date, a mystery that lies on the forefront of scientific knowledge, although there are some hypotheses that remain to date unverified.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]"The Big Bang theory is an effort to explain what happened at the very beginning of our universe. Discoveries in astronomy and physics have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that our universe did in fact have a beginning. Prior to that moment there was nothing; during and after that moment there was something: our universe."According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 13.7 billion years ago. What is a "singularity" and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, we don't know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics. They are thought to exist at the core of "black holes." Black holes are areas of intense gravitational pressure. The pressure is thought to be so intense that finite matter is actually squished into infinite density (a mathematical concept which truly boggles the mind). These zones of infinite density are called "singularities." Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something - a singularity. Where did it come from? We don't know. Why did it appear? We don't know. http://www.big-bang-theory.com/ I think that pretty much states that they think we came from nothing. Pressure Squishing into something which became something else. Snipes_2

Bolded is the part that says in no uncertain terms that something did not come from nothing. Our universe began as a singularity which rapidly expanded and cooled. Science has not yet answered the question regarding where that singularity came from. But neither has science concluded that it came into existence from nothing.

The scientific naturalists don't like to talk about it for obvious reasons so they try to avoid it. After all, nothing becoming everything violates a first principle of knowledge. It is like the Darwinists. They don't like to talk about the origin of the first life so they try to avoid it. Life coming from non life violates a basic law of Biology so they try to avoid it and want to talk about life "evolving" after it began.

Blackregiment, those photos of teh ark look suspiciously alot like photos of a Roman Trireme.........

Oh, and Noahs ark never existed, why? My religion makes no mention of it. Zeus says you are wrong.

blackregiment

For anyone with even an iota of proper scientific understanding, the fact that the theory of evolution does not account for the origin of life provides no problem whatsoever, any more than that cell theory or germ theory do not do so, or that atomic theory does not account for the origin of atoms. Every theory in science explains and accounts for a rigorously defined set of phenomena, and nothing else. To register the complaint that evolutionary theory does not overlap with abiogenesis in terms of the phenomena for which it accounts is to display a shockingly poor understanding of the scientific method.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]IT says "Prior to that moment there was nothing" and "finite matter is actually squished into infinite density", they are saying they don't know, but our Universe just suddenly appeared out of nowhere? GabuEx

In explaining the origins of the universe in colloquial terms, it is generally easier for understanding to just say "nothing". But that is precisely why I asked for rigorous scientific literature (which that web site is not), because that is most certainly not precisely what the Big Bang Theory states. The Big Bang Theory, rigorously defined, constrains itself to begin with the singularity already in existence and proceeds from there, much as the theory of evolution begins with life already in existence and proceeds from there. It says absolutely nothing whatsoever regarding how that singularity came into existence.Scientific theories explain a very strictly defined set of phenomena in the universe, and nothing else. That is the realm of a new theory that has not yet been developed, and as such, science does not profess to hold an answer to that question of, "Where did the singularity come from?". The beginning of that singularity is, to date, a mystery that lies on the forefront of scientific knowledge, although there are some hypotheses that remain to date unverified.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Bolded is the part that says in no uncertain terms that something did not come from nothing. Our universe began as a singularity which rapidly expanded and cooled. Science has not yet answered the question regarding where that singularity came from. But neither has science concluded that it came into existence from nothing.

blackregiment

The scientific naturalists don't like to talk about it for obvious reasons so they try to avoid it. After all, nothing becoming everything violates a first principle of knowledge. It is like the Darwinists. They don't like to talk about the origin of the first life so they try to avoid it. Life coming from non life violates a basic law of Biology so they try to avoid it and want to talk about life "evolving" after it began.

It's the Big Bang Theories website. It states our universe came from nothing.Snipes_2

It is a website intended to explain the Big Bang Theory to non-scientists. It uses imprecise language for ease of explanation because most people reading it do not need to quibble on such details. It is not a piece of rigorous scientific literature.

The Big Bang Theory, rigorously defined as used in scientific literature, does not account for the origin of the singularity. It begins with its existence and works from there. Period.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]It's the Big Bang Theories website. It states our universe came from nothing.GabuEx

It is a website intended to explain the Big Bang Theory to non-scientists. It uses imprecise language for ease of explanation because most people reading it do not need to quibble on such details. It is not a piece of rigorous scientific literature.

The Big Bang Theory, rigorously defined as used in scientific literature, does not account for the origin of the singularity. It begins with its existence and works from there. Period.

But how does it explain what happened before then?Snipes_2

It doesn't. It doesn't need to, any more than atomic theory needs to explain where atoms came from, or any more than cell and germ theory need to explain where cells and germs came from. That the universe expanded from a singularity is a conclusion that has been reached through the evidence available. Scientific theories account for a well-defined set of phenomena, and nothing else.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]But how does it explain what happened before then?GabuEx

It doesn't. It doesn't need to, any more than atomic theory needs to explain where atoms came from, or any more than cell and germ theory need to explain where cells and germs came from. That the universe expanded from a singularity is a conclusion that has been reached through the evidence available. Scientific theories account for a well-defined set of phenomena, and nothing else.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]But how does it explain what happened before then?Snipes_2

It doesn't. It doesn't need to, any more than atomic theory needs to explain where atoms came from, or any more than cell and germ theory need to explain where cells and germs came from. That the universe expanded from a singularity is a conclusion that has been reached through the evidence available. Scientific theories account for a well-defined set of phenomena, and nothing else.

No one knows, and scientists are not ashamed to admit that.

So...Where did this singularity come from then? It could not have just appeared or been squished together with other particles to form us and our universe. Snipes_2

As I already said... that is a question that lies on the forefront of scientific knowledge. Although there are hypotheses, there is no definitive scientific answer yet, as none of those hypotheses have made predictions which may be tested.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]So...Where did this singularity come from then? It could not have just appeared or been squished together with other particles to form us and our universe. GabuEx

As I already said... that is a question that lies on the forefront of scientific knowledge. Although there are hypotheses, there is no definitive scientific answer yet, as none of those hypotheses have made predictions which may be tested.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]So...Where did this singularity come from then? It could not have just appeared or been squished together with other particles to form us and our universe. Snipes_2

As I already said... that is a question that lies on the forefront of scientific knowledge. Although there are hypotheses, there is no definitive scientific answer yet, as none of those hypotheses have made predictions which may be tested.

Anyone who believes in a diety shouldn't be leveling that point.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

As I already said... that is a question that lies on the forefront of scientific knowledge. Although there are hypotheses, there is no definitive scientific answer yet, as none of those hypotheses have made predictions which may be tested.

789shadow

No religious person should be criticizing others for believing in something without proof, whether there is proof or not.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]So...Where did this singularity come from then? It could not have just appeared or been squished together with other particles to form us and our universe. Snipes_2

As I already said... that is a question that lies on the forefront of scientific knowledge. Although there are hypotheses, there is no definitive scientific answer yet, as none of those hypotheses have made predictions which may be tested.

No... as I said, the Big Bang Theory, like any scientific theory, is a conclusion at which science has arrived by forming hypotheses about observed phenomena, forming predictions from what these hypotheses would imply, and then confirming that these predictions are true. There is plenty of evidence that has led us to believe that the universe was once a singularity that expanded; these include the expansion of the universe and the presence of cosmic microwave background radiation.

Do you doubt atomic theory? Cell theory? Germ theory? None of these theories account for the origins of what they describe, yet nobody has much problem with that.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]So...Where did this singularity come from then? It could not have just appeared or been squished together with other particles to form us and our universe. Snipes_2

As I already said... that is a question that lies on the forefront of scientific knowledge. Although there are hypotheses, there is no definitive scientific answer yet, as none of those hypotheses have made predictions which may be tested.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Okay...So, we believe this is true without any proof?Snipes_2

No religious person should be criticizing others for believing in something without proof, whether there is proof or not.

The logic which you use to believe in God.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

As I already said... that is a question that lies on the forefront of scientific knowledge. Although there are hypotheses, there is no definitive scientific answer yet, as none of those hypotheses have made predictions which may be tested.

GabuEx

No... as I said, the Big Bang Theory, like any scientific theory, is a conclusion at which science has arrived by forming hypotheses about observed phenomena, forming predictions from what these hypotheses would imply, and then confirming that these predictions are true. There is plenty of evidence that has led us to believe that the universe was once a singularity that expanded; these include the expansion of the universe and the presence of cosmic microwave background radiation.

Do you doubt atomic theory? Cell theory? Germ theory? None of these theories account for the origins of what they describe, yet nobody has much problem with that.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

No religious person should be criticizing others for believing in something without proof, whether there is proof or not.

789shadow

The logic which you use to believe in God.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Okay...So, we believe this is true without any proof?Snipes_2

No... as I said, the Big Bang Theory, like any scientific theory, is a conclusion at which science has arrived by forming hypotheses about observed phenomena, forming predictions from what these hypotheses would imply, and then confirming that these predictions are true. There is plenty of evidence that has led us to believe that the universe was once a singularity that expanded; these include the expansion of the universe and the presence of cosmic microwave background radiation.

Do you doubt atomic theory? Cell theory? Germ theory? None of these theories account for the origins of what they describe, yet nobody has much problem with that.

Those theories are not about how the singularity got there. You are now using a strawman.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

As I already said... that is a question that lies on the forefront of scientific knowledge. Although there are hypotheses, there is no definitive scientific answer yet, as none of those hypotheses have made predictions which may be tested.

urdead18

[QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Okay...So, we believe this is true without any proof?Snipes_2

No one knows. Oh, wait, you think you know.