Noah's Ark Found?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

No... as I said, the Big Bang Theory, like any scientific theory, is a conclusion at which science has arrived by forming hypotheses about observed phenomena, forming predictions from what these hypotheses would imply, and then confirming that these predictions are true. There is plenty of evidence that has led us to believe that the universe was once a singularity that expanded; these include the expansion of the universe and the presence of cosmic microwave background radiation.

Do you doubt atomic theory? Cell theory? Germ theory? None of these theories account for the origins of what they describe, yet nobody has much problem with that.

789shadow

Those theories are not about how the singularity got there. You are now using a strawman.

[QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Okay...So, we believe this is true without any proof?Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="urdead18"] No, we believe that we don't know. If you want to provide a god as the reason, then I could ask where god came from. Saying he was always there can also apply to the universe.789shadow

No one knows. Oh, wait, you think you know.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="urdead18"] No, we believe that we don't know. If you want to provide a god as the reason, then I could ask where god came from. Saying he was always there can also apply to the universe.urdead18

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] So, The Universe was always here, but how did it form? Where did it come from?

Snipes_2

No one knows. Oh, wait, you think you know.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] But it doesn't explain how this Singularity or Universe got here. IF you believe in those theories why not the Bible?Snipes_2

Those theories are not about how the singularity got there. You are now using a strawman.

Those theories are not about explaining how singultrity came to be. Again, strawman.

[QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] So, The Universe was always here, but how did it form? Where did it come from?

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

No one knows. Oh, wait, you think you know.

urdead18

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="urdead18"] No clue. Do you know?urdead18

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

Those theories are not about how the singularity got there. You are now using a strawman.

789shadow

Those theories are not about explaining how singultrity came to be. Again, strawman.

[QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Yes, but you wouldn't accept my answer.

Snipes_2

Do you need everything repeated?

But it doesn't explain how this Singularity or Universe got here. IF you believe in those theories why not the Bible?Snipes_2

I do not need to explain how the singularity came into existence to be able to provide evidence that it did. If I see a footprint in a patch of mud, I do not need to tell you who the owner of that shoe was in order to tell you that someone walked through that area.

This is the way any scientific theory is developed: an interesting set of phenomena are observed; people develop hypotheses regarding how one may explain them; people then determine predictions from these hypotheses that would be true if indeed the hypotheses were true; and then we figure out whether these predictions are verified. Cosmic microwave background radiation is an example of that - when the Big Bang Theory was first developed, scientists figured "Huh, if this is true, then there should be some level of nonzero temperature at all points in the universe". Lo and behold, there was, and we had never known this before this moment. So we put a check mark next to that prediction. Do this with enough predictions, and you get a pretty darn good sense that your hypothesis as a whole is pretty darn likely to be true. And this is exactly what has happened with the Big Bang Theory. Every single prediction it has ever made which has been verified has been shown to be true. Hence, we can conclude that the theory itself is probably true, because we have discovered these things about the universe that we hadn't known and which ought to be true if it were true.

[QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Well, Science sure can't explain it. Snipes_2

Again. The Big Bang Theory is not about how the singularity came to be, but how that singularity formed the universe. The fact that you continue to ignore this proves that you know you cannot win.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="urdead18"] No, you don't know. It was a rhetorical question.urdead18

Do you need everything repeated?

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You guys sure love that saying "Strawman". He said those theories don't explain how what they explain came to be, yet we still believe them. So, why not the Bible?Snipes_2

Those theories are not about explaining how singultrity came to be. Again, strawman.

Doesn't matter. You continually state the factual error that those theories explain how those things came to be.

[QUOTE="urdead18"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Well, Science sure can't explain it. Snipes_2

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Why bother asking it then?Snipes_2

Do you need everything repeated?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="urdead18"] Science can't explain a lot of things, doesn't mean they are unexplainable. Science progressses. Saying this in X number of years will sound insane.789shadow

Again.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Science can't even explain it's own theories. Look at the paragraph I posted.

Snipes_2

Again.

You continue to prove you have no idea what any of these theories say.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Those theories are not about explaining how singultrity came to be. Again, strawman.

789shadow

Doesn't matter. You continually state the factual error that those theories explain how those things came to be.

They have no Idea where it came from, why it appeared, They "Think" it came from Black Holes. They don't know where those black holes came from, they believe we came from something that was cooled. How did Life forms come to be then? IF we were formed from a Burning rock and then cooled? Surely that would kill anything.Snipes_2

OK, honest question: are you actually interested in learning about the scientific method?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Again. 789shadow

You continue to prove you have no idea what any of these theories say.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]They have no Idea where it came from, why it appeared, They "Think" it came from Black Holes. They don't know where those black holes came from, they believe we came from something that was cooled. How did Life forms come to be then? IF we were formed from a Burning rock and then cooled? Surely that would kill anything.GabuEx

OK, honest question: are you actually interested in learning about the scientific method?

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I wasn't talking about Singularity. I was talking about Atomic, Cell, and Germ theories.

Snipes_2

Doesn't matter. You continually state the factual error that those theories explain how those things came to be.

And why should I not believe something for not explaining what it was never intended to explain in the first place!?

Science can't explain a lot of things, doesn't mean they are unexplainable. Science progressses. Saying this in X number of years will sound insane.urdead18

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]They have no Idea where it came from, why it appeared, They "Think" it came from Black Holes. They don't know where those black holes came from, they believe we came from something that was cooled. How did Life forms come to be then? IF we were formed from a Burning rock and then cooled? Surely that would kill anything.Snipes_2

OK, honest question: are you actually interested in learning about the scientific method?

The irony. Oh, the massive irony.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

OK, honest question: are you actually interested in learning about the scientific method?

789shadow

The irony. Oh, the massive irony.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I know what the scientific method is. I don't understand how you can believe all these theories when there is no proof. Snipes_2

The irony. Oh, the massive irony.

There is proof of these theories, though. The Big Bang theory has the proof behind it that the universe has been observed to be expanding.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

Doesn't matter. You continually state the factual error that those theories explain how those things came to be.

789shadow

And why should I not believe something for not explaining

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]They have no Idea where it came from, why it appeared, They "Think" it came from Black Holes. They don't know where those black holes came from, they believe we came from something that was cooled. How did Life forms come to be then? IF we were formed from a Burning rock and then cooled? Surely that would kill anything.Snipes_2

OK, honest question: are you actually interested in learning about the scientific method?

Then tell me what the scientific method is, please.

And I have provided you with all the reasons why people hold the Big Bang Theory to be true - it is entirely due to the evidence available - but you have thus far completely ignored me.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

The irony. Oh, the massive irony.

789shadow

There is proof of these theories, though. The Big Bang theory has the proof behind it that the universe has been observed to be expanding.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] The Irony that you discount God because you say there's no proof? But believe these theories when there's no proof?Snipes_2

There is proof of these theories, though. The Big Bang theory has the proof behind it that the universe has been observed to be expanding.

*bangs head against a wall* For the last damn time. The Big Bang theory is not about how the singularity came to be, but about how that singularity formed the Universe as we know it.

IT has no Proof on how we came to be or how the Universe got here in the first place though. They just didn't bother to try and explain that?Snipes_2

No offense, but... is there an echo in here?

I would explain again why it does not need proof of that, but you have ignored me every time. :? I am therefore getting the sense that you are not interested in the truth, despite the fact that you are ostensibly asking questions.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]IT has no Proof on how we came to be or how the Universe got here in the first place though. They just didn't bother to try and explain that?GabuEx

No offense, but... is there an echo in here?

I would explain again why it does not need proof, but you have ignored me every time. :?

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]IT has no Proof on how we came to be or how the Universe got here in the first place though. They just didn't bother to try and explain that?Snipes_2

No offense, but... is there an echo in here?

I would explain again why it does not need proof, but you have ignored me every time. :?

Because they can't. You expect science to have the answer for everything.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

There is proof of these theories, though. The Big Bang theory has the proof behind it that the universe has been observed to be expanding.

789shadow

*bangs head against a wall* For the last damn time. The Big Bang theory is not about how the singularity came to be, but about how that singularity formed the Universe as we know it.

Why doesn't it need proof? While they are trying to explain how we came to be, why couldn't they figure out how the universe came to be as well?Snipes_2

If I see a footprint in mud, do I need to be able to tell you who it was that walked through there in order to first tell you that someone did so?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

No offense, but... is there an echo in here?

I would explain again why it does not need proof, but you have ignored me every time. :?

789shadow

Because they can't. You expect science to have the answer for everything.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] IT has no Proof on how we came to be or how the Universe got here in the first place though. They just didn't bother to try and explain that?Snipes_2

*bangs head against a wall* For the last damn time. The Big Bang theory is not about how the singularity came to be, but about how that singularity formed the Universe as we know it.

That's what the Big Bang theory explains. What it doesn't explain is the origin of the singularity.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Why doesn't it need proof? While they are trying to explain how we came to be, why couldn't they figure out how the universe came to be as well?GabuEx

If I see a footprint in mud, do I need to be able to tell you who it was that walked through there in order to first tell you that someone did so?

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Why doesn't it need proof? While they are trying to explain how we came to be, why couldn't they figure out how the universe came to be as well?Snipes_2

Because they can't. You expect science to have the answer for everything.

No. No. No. No. Just no.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Why doesn't it need proof? While they are trying to explain how we came to be, why couldn't they figure out how the universe came to be as well?Snipes_2

If I see a footprint in mud, do I need to be able to tell you who it was that walked through there in order to first tell you that someone did so?

Answer the question, please.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] IT has no Proof on how we came to be or how the Universe got here in the first place though. They just didn't bother to try and explain that?Snipes_2

*bangs head against a wall* For the last damn time. The Big Bang theory is not about how the singularity came to be, but about how that singularity formed the Universe as we know it.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

*bangs head against a wall* For the last damn time. The Big Bang theory is not about how the singularity came to be, but about how that singularity formed the Universe as we know it.

789shadow

That's what the Big Bang theory explains. What it doesn't explain is the origin of the singularity.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I know, I just said if they can explain that, why can't they explain how our universe came to be? Did we just materialize out of nowhere?Snipes_2

That's what the Big Bang theory explains. What it doesn't explain is the origin of the singularity.

Again, get informed.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

If I see a footprint in mud, do I need to be able to tell you who it was that walked through there in order to first tell you that someone did so?

GabuEx

Answer the question, please.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] That doesn't explain how or where the Universe or Particles came from though. Snipes_2

Answer the question, please.

No, my question is asking what it says: if I see a footprint in mud, do I need to be able to tell you who it was that walked through there in order to first tell you that someone did so?

Yes or no?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

That's what the Big Bang theory explains. What it doesn't explain is the origin of the singularity.

789shadow

Again, get informed.