Not allowed to bring your own food? Legal how?

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#1 STAR_Admiral
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Just a simple question pretty much focused on the American Population.

How exactly is not being allowed to bring your own food to Theme Parks and theatres legal?

Here is why i am asking this question. I live in Canada and a while ago here we had a theme park called Canada's Wonderland full of rollercoasters and a water park, that kind of theme park, much bigger then any six flags park. We were always allowed to bring our own food to the theme park, they even provided microwaves in the park to warm your food, i am not kidding, it was great. Then a couple of years ago, an American company bought the park and implemented new "american rules' such as not being allowed to bring your own food. This angered many people i know of since that's not the Canadian way. Sometimes we still manage to sneak in our own food when we go.

Theatres i guess i can understand cause its only a couple of hours. But theme parks! people are there all day. they need to eat and should not be forced to pay rediculous theme park food prices in order to satisfy their hunger. They should also not be forced to drive out of the park, go to a restaurant, then come back if they want to pay regular prices. I guess its legal because its want the company owning the theme park want and companies own the government, not the people. Isn't America's motto freedom?

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i'd lost many a night of sleep over this....
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Uh, just like you can enforce what gets brought into your house, theme parks and theaters can say what gets brought into their facilities. In the case of theme parks... if you can't afford to pay for their food and drinks (but want to eat/drink), don't go. It's as simple as that.

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#4 harashawn
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People sell food at theme parks to make money. If everyone brings their own food, they will lose a lot.
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#5 cametall
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Private property, follow their rules or get out. That's why.
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#6 spazzx625
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Concessions = money
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Its a private business,and they make the rules. And if people brought their own food they could not grossly overcharge them. Not a great practice but perfectly legel,its not public property.
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#8 Legendaryscmt
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Does it really matter? It's not exactly hard to pull it off anyway.

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I guess its legal because its want the company owning the theme park wantSTAR_Admiral

Looks like you answered your own question. Their park, their rules.

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People sell food at theme parks to make money. If everyone brings their own food, they will lose a lot. harashawn
Freedom > money?

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Sorta like using a website and having to follow their TOS. However, doesnt mean you can't go to your car and eat your lunch and go back in. ;)

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Uh, just like you can enforce what gets brought into your house, theme parks and theaters can say what gets brought into their facilities. In the case of theme parks... if you can't afford to pay for their food and drinks (but want to eat/drink), don't go. It's as simple as that.

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Its private property for the public, thats different than my house. An apartment building is private property which is rented to the public, you can still bring your own food,
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[QUOTE="harashawn"]People sell food at theme parks to make money. If everyone brings their own food, they will lose a lot. STAR_Admiral

Freedom > money?

Thats part of freedom. We also have the freedom not to go. you decide to go you know you are abiding by their rules. This is not a freedom issue.
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It is their property. Just like you can tell people what they can't bring on your property.
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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

Uh, just like you can enforce what gets brought into your house, theme parks and theaters can say what gets brought into their facilities. In the case of theme parks... if you can't afford to pay for their food and drinks (but want to eat/drink), don't go. It's as simple as that.

STAR_Admiral
Its private property for the public, thats different than my house. An apartment building is private property which is rented to the public, you can still bring your own food,

No it is just private property, period.
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luckely it isn't legal to search a purse or maybe they don't want to get sued, but I can usually sneak snacks into the movie theater. I don't have that kind of money to be paying $15 for a drink and popcorn. :( If they lowered the price on things I bet people would buy there more instead of sneaking things in. I know I would.
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#17 harashawn
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Freedom > money?

STAR_Admiral

The whole point of a business is to make money. It's not a matter of "freedom".

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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

Uh, just like you can enforce what gets brought into your house, theme parks and theaters can say what gets brought into their facilities. In the case of theme parks... if you can't afford to pay for their food and drinks (but want to eat/drink), don't go. It's as simple as that.

STAR_Admiral

Its private property for the public, thats different than my house. An apartment building is private property which is rented to the public, you can still bring your own food,

yeah it depends on the laws of the state and country. just because its private doesn't mean you can do anything you want. for instance that theme park couldn't refuse to admit minorities without getting massively sued.

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Well first I thought that Canada's Wonderland was once again allowing people to bring in food as of last year ( Hooray it opens this weekend:)) second it is still private property and they are allowed to implement rules for what is and is not allowed in the park.
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[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="STAR_Admiral"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

Uh, just like you can enforce what gets brought into your house, theme parks and theaters can say what gets brought into their facilities. In the case of theme parks... if you can't afford to pay for their food and drinks (but want to eat/drink), don't go. It's as simple as that.

Its private property for the public, thats different than my house. An apartment building is private property which is rented to the public, you can still bring your own food,

yeah it depends on the laws of the state and country. just because its private doesn't mean you can do anything you want. for instance that theme park could refuse to admit minorities without getting massively sued.

That would bbe discrimination. I don't see how just beecause its your property your suddenly above the law. Federal law > the laws of your property. I can do what i want with my private property as long as it follows law, but if it conflicts with the law, then federal law wins.
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Money. But I don't really care. I hate having extra crap when I go on rides. I just want my clothes and wallet on me.

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That would bbe discrimination. I don't see how just beecause its your property your suddenly above the law. Federal law > the laws of your property. I can do what i want with my private property as long as it follows law, but if it conflicts with the law, then federal law wins. STAR_Admiral

Can you cite a law that guarantees you the right to carry a sandwich wherever you want?

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[QUOTE="STAR_Admiral"] That would bbe discrimination. I don't see how just beecause its your property your suddenly above the law. Federal law > the laws of your property. I can do what i want with my private property as long as it follows law, but if it conflicts with the law, then federal law wins.

Where is the federal law with the 'right to bear nachos'?
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For example; I own a theatre. I can decide what movies to play cause thats within the law. However i am not allowed to deny freedom of speech to customers of the theatre because that is federal law.
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For example; I own a theatre. I can decide what movies to play cause thats within the law. However i am not allowed to deny freedom of speech to customers of the theatre because that is federal law. STAR_Admiral
What freedom of speech? Bringing their own food?
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For example; I own a theatre. I can decide what movies to play cause thats within the law. However i am not allowed to deny freedom of speech to customers of the theatre because that is federal law. STAR_Admiral

You are within your right as a theater manager to remove paying customers who are talking during the film. Their "freedom of speech" doesn't trump the theater's policy.

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[QUOTE="STAR_Admiral"] That would bbe discrimination. I don't see how just beecause its your property your suddenly above the law. Federal law > the laws of your property. I can do what i want with my private property as long as it follows law, but if it conflicts with the law, then federal law wins. spazzx625
Where is the federal law with the 'right to bear nachos'?

The laws that states you are free to act as you wish as long as it does not harm others. This is summed up in many laws. I have the freedom to eat what i want as long as its not an illegal substance, or human. I have a right to eat! agreed? therefore no private property is allowed to deny that right unless such eating poses a harm to other people or the private event is not so long as i would starve.
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For example; I own a theatre. I can decide what movies to play cause thats within the law. However i am not allowed to deny freedom of speech to customers of the theatre because that is federal law. STAR_Admiral
You can if they yell fire. Yiu can if they make a scene,or harass a employee or another theare goer. And federal law has business laws and that is the nature of freedom that a business can set its own rules for services provieded. Thats how america got to where its at. Please dont try to tell americans how are government works.
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[QUOTE="STAR_Admiral"]For example; I own a theatre. I can decide what movies to play cause thats within the law. However i am not allowed to deny freedom of speech to customers of the theatre because that is federal law. Oleg_Huzwog

You are within your right as a theater manager to remove paying customers who are talking during the film. Their "freedom of speech" doesn't trump the theater's policy.

that harm's others
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[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="STAR_Admiral"] That would bbe discrimination. I don't see how just beecause its your property your suddenly above the law. Federal law > the laws of your property. I can do what i want with my private property as long as it follows law, but if it conflicts with the law, then federal law wins. STAR_Admiral
Where is the federal law with the 'right to bear nachos'?

The laws that states you are free to act as you wish as long as it does not harm others. This is summed up in many laws. I have the freedom to eat what i want as long as its not an illegal substance, or human. I have a right to eat! agreed? therefore no private property is allowed to deny that right unless such eating poses a harm to other people or the private event is not so long as i would starve.

That is not the law. Plus there are also state laws. And they can change things. Your making an issue out of nothing.
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[QUOTE="STAR_Admiral"]For example; I own a theatre. I can decide what movies to play cause thats within the law. However i am not allowed to deny freedom of speech to customers of the theatre because that is federal law. mattykovax
You can if they yell fire. Yiu can if they make a scene,or harass a employee or another theare goer. And federal law has business laws and that is the nature of freedom that a business can set its own rules for services provieded. Thats how america got to where its at. Please dont try to tell americans how are government works.

also harms others and therefore is a violation of freedom
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[QUOTE="STAR_Admiral"] The laws that states you are free to act as you wish as long as it does not harm others. This is summed up in many laws. I have the freedom to eat what i want as long as its not an illegal substance, or human. I have a right to eat! agreed? therefore no private property is allowed to deny that right unless such eating poses a harm to other people or the private event is not so long as i would starve.

I believe you are slightly uninformed as to what the first amendment applies to...
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The laws that states you are free to act as you wish as long as it does not harm others. This is summed up in many laws. I have the freedom to eat what i want as long as its not an illegal substance, or human. I have a right to eat! agreed? therefore no private property is allowed to deny that right unless such eating poses a harm to other people or the private event is not so long as i would starve. STAR_Admiral

Nobody is denying your "right to eat".

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Remember Freedom is the ability to do what you wish as long as it does not harm others. Eating my own pizza at a theme park that also sells pizza does not harm others.
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[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="STAR_Admiral"] Its private property for the public, thats different than my house. An apartment building is private property which is rented to the public, you can still bring your own food,STAR_Admiral
yeah it depends on the laws of the state and country. just because its private doesn't mean you can do anything you want. for instance that theme park could refuse to admit minorities without getting massively sued.

That would bbe discrimination. I don't see how just beecause its your property your suddenly above the law. Federal law > the laws of your property. I can do what i want with my private property as long as it follows law, but if it conflicts with the law, then federal law wins.

sorry i meant couldn't. I'll go edit my post
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[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="STAR_Admiral"]For example; I own a theatre. I can decide what movies to play cause thats within the law. However i am not allowed to deny freedom of speech to customers of the theatre because that is federal law. STAR_Admiral
You can if they yell fire. Yiu can if they make a scene,or harass a employee or another theare goer. And federal law has business laws and that is the nature of freedom that a business can set its own rules for services provieded. Thats how america got to where its at. Please dont try to tell americans how are government works.

also harms others and therefore is a violation of freedom

That is a very naive conception of freedom. Freedom is not the ability to do or say whatever you want whenever you want.

And no, it doesn't harm anybody.

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[QUOTE="STAR_Admiral"] The laws that states you are free to act as you wish as long as it does not harm others. This is summed up in many laws. I have the freedom to eat what i want as long as its not an illegal substance, or human. I have a right to eat! agreed? therefore no private property is allowed to deny that right unless such eating poses a harm to other people or the private event is not so long as i would starve. spazzx625
I believe you are slightly uninformed as to what the first amendment applies to...

I don't live in America, so i am wondering how it works exactly. i am asking you guys a question i am not saying your system is wrong, i just want justification

Telling people what they can eat and what they cannot eat? Such things are unheard of for any place where you stay for a long time, unless that place is american owned.

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Remember Freedom is the ability to do what you wish as long as it does not harm others. STAR_Admiral

No, it is not. Freedom is in part the ability to own your own property and make rules for what goes on in that property. You can't necessarily choose to harm yourself nor can you vandalise a building; that doesn't harm anyone and yet it is not allowed.

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Remember Freedom is the ability to do what you wish as long as it does not harm others. Eating my own pizza at a theme park that also sells pizza does not harm others. STAR_Admiral
That is a broad generalized application of the term freedom,and has nothing to do with the actual US laws and rights concerning freedom.
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Remember Freedom is the ability to do what you wish as long as it does not harm others. Eating my own pizza at a theme park that also sells pizza does not harm others. STAR_Admiral
It harms the profit of the park you are at, using your logic.
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Remember Freedom is the ability to do what you wish as long as it does not harm others. Eating my own pizza at a theme park that also sells pizza does not harm others. STAR_Admiral
Well you have the theory down, but you also have rights to do what you want (within some restrictions) on your own private property, same goes with their private property. Your idea of freedom to do what you want on their private property would restrict their freedoms, and yours on your property.

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.The First Amendment
In actual application, it does not mean you can do whatever you want.
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[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="STAR_Admiral"] The laws that states you are free to act as you wish as long as it does not harm others. This is summed up in many laws. I have the freedom to eat what i want as long as its not an illegal substance, or human. I have a right to eat! agreed? therefore no private property is allowed to deny that right unless such eating poses a harm to other people or the private event is not so long as i would starve.

I believe you are slightly uninformed as to what the first amendment applies to...

The First Amendment doesn't exist in Canada. We have the Charter of Rights and Freedoms though. But I'm pretty sure it doesn't mention the right to bring your own food into amusement parks.
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[QUOTE="STAR_Admiral"]Remember Freedom is the ability to do what you wish as long as it does not harm others. Theokhoth

No, it is not. Freedom is in part the ability to own your own property and make rules for what goes on in that property. You can't necessarily choose to harm yourself nor can you vandalise a building; that doesn't harm anyone and yet it is not allowed.

let with clarify my defintion. Remember Freedom is the ability to do what you wish as long as it does not harm others (with your property).
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I went to see a theater piece with some friends once, don't remember what play it was (think it was 1984 >.>). During the break in the middle of the show, one of my friends got thirsty. I go up to the small bar of the theater and asks him for a glass of water. He takes a glass and pours up some tap water (I can see him pour it up), gives me the glass and says "that will be 4 dollars"... and he's effin serious. So yeah, I hate that rule that you can't bring your own food to the movie theater or the regular theater or any other place where they're selling you food too.
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[QUOTE="STAR_Admiral"] let with clarify my defintion. Remember Freedom is the ability to do what you wish as long as it does not harm others (with your property).

Not exactly. I may like the freedom of walking around naked, but I couldn't do that down my street. The US Constitution doesn't supercede every other law out there, and that includes private organizations policies.
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let with clarify my defintion. Remember Freedom is the ability to do what you wish as long as it does not harm others (with your property).STAR_Admiral

The park isn't harming you with their policy.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="STAR_Admiral"]Remember Freedom is the ability to do what you wish as long as it does not harm others. STAR_Admiral

No, it is not. Freedom is in part the ability to own your own property and make rules for what goes on in that property. You can't necessarily choose to harm yourself nor can you vandalise a building; that doesn't harm anyone and yet it is not allowed.

let with clarify my defintion. Remember Freedom is the ability to do what you wish as long as it does not harm others (with your property).

Again, not in American law it is not. And again: the park is not harming or hurting you with its laws. There's a distinction between "hurt" and "harm."

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#50 Dark__Link
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="STAR_Admiral"]Remember Freedom is the ability to do what you wish as long as it does not harm others. STAR_Admiral

No, it is not. Freedom is in part the ability to own your own property and make rules for what goes on in that property. You can't necessarily choose to harm yourself nor can you vandalise a building; that doesn't harm anyone and yet it is not allowed.

let with clarify my defintion. Remember Freedom is the ability to do what you wish as long as it does not harm others (with your property).

Considering your equally warped views in the gun thread... I think you're a troll...