Not supporting same sex marriage does NOT make someone a bigot.

[QUOTE="Cyanide4Suicid3"]Maybe you dont hate them, but you ARE, in a way, saying that theyre lesser than you. Why can they have the same civil rights are straight people? Youre right though, it may not make you a bigot but, no offense, it does make you an a**hole. ShadowMoses900

I do support gay rights. I support civil unions and want them to have all the benefits of marriage. I support their right to live in peace and prosperity and to live a life free from harassment or discrimination (I hate it when people say they want to beat up gays, that's not ok at all).

I just don't support same sex marriage. And all the gay people that know me are aware of my view on this and by no means do they think I'm an ****

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="DarthJohnova"]

Marriage is the joining of a man and a woman;

Nibroc420

Marriage means joining ANY two things together. Matrimony took to the word marriage because of this definition.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

Marriage means joining ANY two things together. Matrimony took to the word marriage because of this definition.

DarthJohnova

The world does not consist solely of white Christian society. Open your eyes and you'll see just how wrong you are.

Same-sex marriages are quite common in cultures around the world and have been forever.

[QUOTE="DarthJohnova"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] That may be your connotation, or even the current denotation. However people around the world, for hundreds of years, have known marriage to be between a man, and a woman.br0kenrabbit

The world does not consist solely of white Christian society. Open your eyes and you'll see just how wrong you are.

Same-sex marriages are quite common in cultures around the world and have been forever.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="DerveCreaves"]2nd of all, I think the actions of homosexuality should be illegal, and by actions I mean certain aspects of how they have intercourse.DerveCreaves

Why is that any concern of your's or the state's?

You still didn't say why it is any concern of yours or the states.

(I realize I'm coming back to this quite late, but I've been busy the past few hours.)

the old: "I have friends that are gay argument, anything new?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="DerveCreaves"]2nd of all, I think the actions of homosexuality should be illegal, and by actions I mean certain aspects of how they have intercourseDerveCreaves

No, quite clearly it doesn't. But that doesn't change the definition that marriage is the unity of a man and a woman. What I'm saying is, definitions can very easily be, and in my opinion should be changed.DarthJohnova

Look up 'marriage' in the dictionary. I think you'll be surprised.

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

I will give a similar example, that may suit this discussion better.

sports- be it amateur or professional- do not (normally) allow for liability against a player for physical damage done to another player.

DerveCreaves

If I have a consentual fight with my neighbor I am only arrested if he decides to press assault charges. And if it's determined that both of us willing decided to beat the crap out of each other then no prosecutor is going to bother using the time and resources to prosecute the case.

the old: "I have friends that are gay argument, anything new?

Ncsoftlover

Why the fvck do people still get into discussions with this guy?

[QUOTE="megagene"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Simply someone who believes that marriage is between a man and a woman.

ShadowMoses900

Several.

I believe marriage is an important instution in our soceity and one of the building blocks of good families. Now I am NOT saying that gays are bad parents or anything, I know a gay couple that raise their kids fine and love them, but marriage is still an important social institution that I feel needs to stay in place.

It's against my religious values. God made a man and a woman for a reason, but by no means do I believe in forcing my religious views on others. Seperation of Church and State (though most people that throw out that term don't know what it actually is referring to or where it comes from).

I don't agree with the gay lifestyle.

OKAY OKAY what is the tl;dr version of this threadDroidPhysX

the anti gay marriage people in this thread should move to uganda where they have laws that fit their views

Marriage is the joining of a man and a woman; that has always been the case and definition. DarthJohnova

Why the fvck do people still get into discussions with this guy?Barbariser

[QUOTE="DarthJohnova"]No, quite clearly it doesn't. But that doesn't change the definition that marriage is the unity of a man and a woman. What I'm saying is, definitions can very easily be, and in my opinion should be changed.br0kenrabbit

Look up 'marriage' in the dictionary. I think you'll be surprised.

Being an English student, I have an OED at hand...

Definition ofmarriage;

noun

The formal union of a man and a woman, typically as recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife.Oxford English Dictionary

Now, will you please read my posts. THAT is the definition; I THINK the definition should, and can be changed, when you bear in mind that a civil partnership (the union of a same sex couple) provides exactly the same legal rights as a marriage (a union of a man and a woman). They have no difference other than distinguishing the separate definitions, which in the end is rather silly business. Please read this before running your mouth.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

This is about America, not Canada and not Spain. You guys should mind your own business.

ShadowMoses900

There's only a couple of states where they allow it, and even then they are subject to change. In American most people here are against gay marriage, but most of those people have no problem with civil unions and no they don't hate gay people. Even in the most liberal places such as California gay marriage fails to pass time and time again, they had a judge that ruled it was ok but the public came out against it. And a lot of those who were against it were black, if it was racist why would they be against same sex marriage then?

Not supporting it doesn't mean you hate gay people.

California is not liberal, especially when Iceland and Norway and Netherlands exist.

you can't have a state with some of the world's most primitive and punitive justice system that jail people for life in prison without parole for 50 years for stealing some DVD from Kmart, and call that place liberal. A place where a 18 year old having sex with 17 year old 354 days boyfriend/girlfriend can be prosecuted as a criminal can't possibly be liberal. A state where death penalty still exist can't possibly be liberal.

California is not liberal, not anywhere close.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

There's only a couple of states where they allow it, and even then they are subject to change. In American most people here are against gay marriage, but most of those people have no problem with civil unions and no they don't hate gay people. Even in the most liberal places such as California gay marriage fails to pass time and time again, they had a judge that ruled it was ok but the public came out against it. And a lot of those who were against it were black, if it was racist why would they be against same sex marriage then?

Not supporting it doesn't mean you hate gay people.

ShadowMoses900

No it doesn't mean you hate them, but it does mean you're a bigot. until you give a non-bigoted reason to oppose it, you are a bigot.

Slavery isn't even the same issue. Why do people keep trying to link it to things that are unrelated? Gay people are not slaves, gay people are not being oppressed by the law, they are allowed to work and eat and sit and live anywhere they want, to discriminate against them is against the law. It is not what black people faced.

It's not bigoted at all to not support same sex marriage. A bigot would want to beat them up and would hate them.

if two things are the same, they wouldn't just be comparable, they would be the same.

[QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]They do have all the same rights as everyone else. Only difference is that we arn't changing the definition of marriage. Simply supporting civil unions that give them all the same rights as marriage is fine and not bigoted at all.ShadowMoses900

Here's the thing: Civil unions DO NOT give them the same rights as married couples. Some states do reconize domestic partnerships, but many do not--and they're under no obligation to do so under the Defense of Marriage Act. Not to mention they are not reconized on a federal level.

If they enter a civil union in one state that reconizes it, then travel to a state that doesn't, and their partner gets deathly ill or gets in a accident and winds up in a hopsital, the other partner has no legal right to visit them in the hospital, or act as their next of kin. It also goes for filing tax returns--they'er forced to file seperately and don't get the same tax benefits as married couples.

These are the main reasons that Gays are fighting for the right to marry. I can only imaginge the pain they may have to go through to see someone they love get into a fatal accident, and not being able to be with the one they love for their final moments.

Oh I want civil unions to offer ALL the rights as marriage, I just don't belive in gay marriage it's self.

If you are open to a creation that assimilates Marriage to the extent of copying it 100%, then what is stopping you or anyone else, to just grant marriage for gay people altogether, wouldn't that be much easier and make much more sense?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"]

Here's the thing: Civil unions DO NOT give them the same rights as married couples. Some states do reconize domestic partnerships, but many do not--and they're under no obligation to do so under the Defense of Marriage Act. Not to mention they are not reconized on a federal level.

If they enter a civil union in one state that reconizes it, then travel to a state that doesn't, and their partner gets deathly ill or gets in a accident and winds up in a hopsital, the other partner has no legal right to visit them in the hospital, or act as their next of kin. It also goes for filing tax returns--they'er forced to file seperately and don't get the same tax benefits as married couples.

These are the main reasons that Gays are fighting for the right to marry. I can only imaginge the pain they may have to go through to see someone they love get into a fatal accident, and not being able to be with the one they love for their final moments.

Ncsoftlover

Oh I want civil unions to offer ALL the rights as marriage, I just don't belive in gay marriage it's self.

If you are open to a creation that assimilates Marriage to the extent of copying it 100%, then what is stopping you or anyone else, to just grant marriage for gay people altogether, wouldn't that be much easier and make much more sense?

his logic will never make any sense.

Definition ofmarriage;

noun

The formal union of a man and a woman, typically as recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife.DarthJohnova

You're leaving definitions out. Go ahead, list the rest of them.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Gay people are not slaves, gay people are not being oppressed by the law, they are allowed to work and eat and sit and live anywhere they want, to discriminate against them is against the law.

Aljosa23

Look at all dat legal discrimination! *sighs* don't you get tired of being wrong?

I just want to contribute Republican party official platform in Texas that states that they want to make gay sex/relationship illegal.

http://static.texastribune.org/media/documents/FINAL_2010_STATE_REPUBLICAN_PARTY_PLATFORM.pdf

and I quote:

"We believe that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown
of the family unit, and leads to the spread of dangerous, communicable diseases. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the
fundamental, unchanging truths that have been
ordained by God, recognized by our countrys founders, and shared by the majority of Texans"

"Texas Sodomy Statutes We oppose the legalization of sodomy. We demand that Congress exercise its authoritygranted by the U.S. Constitution to withhold jurisdiction from the federal courts from cases involving sodomy."

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Gay people are not slaves, gay people are not being oppressed by the law, they are allowed to work and eat and sit and live anywhere they want, to discriminate against them is against the law.

Ncsoftlover

Look at all dat legal discrimination! *sighs* don't you get tired of being wrong?

I just want to contribute Republican party official platform in Texas that states that they want to make gay sex/relationship illegal.

http://static.texastribune.org/media/documents/FINAL_2010_STATE_REPUBLICAN_PARTY_PLATFORM.pdf

and I quote:

"We believe that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown
of the family unit, and leads to the spread of dangerous, communicable diseases. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the
fundamental, unchanging truths that have been
ordained by God, recognized by our countrys founders, and shared by the majority of Texans"

"Texas Sodomy Statutes We oppose the legalization of sodomy. We demand that Congress exercise its authoritygranted by the U.S. Constitution to withhold jurisdiction from the federal courts from cases involving sodomy."

fvck texas

who the fvck even said anything about immigrants? Rich3232

the bigot

who the fvck even said anything about immigrants? Rich3232

[QUOTE="Rich3232"]who the fvck even said anything about immigrants? Bucked20

assuming things and talking out of your ass makes you look like a muppet.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Gay people are not slaves, gay people are not being oppressed by the law, they are allowed to work and eat and sit and live anywhere they want, to discriminate against them is against the law.

Ncsoftlover

Look at all dat legal discrimination! *sighs* don't you get tired of being wrong?

I just want to contribute Republican party official platform in Texas that states that they want to make gay sex/relationship illegal.

http://static.texastribune.org/media/documents/FINAL_2010_STATE_REPUBLICAN_PARTY_PLATFORM.pdf

and I quote:

"We believe that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown
of the family unit, and leads to the spread of dangerous, communicable diseases. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the
fundamental, unchanging truths that have been
ordained by God, recognized by our countrys founders, and shared by the majority of Texans"

"Texas Sodomy Statutes We oppose the legalization of sodomy. We demand that Congress exercise its authoritygranted by the U.S. Constitution to withhold jurisdiction from the federal courts from cases involving sodomy."

[QUOTE="Bucked20"][QUOTE="Rich3232"]who the fvck even said anything about immigrants? wis3boi

assuming things and talking out of your ass makes you look like a muppet.

Maybe not, but it does make someone an idiot.

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I often see many (not all) liberals make the claim that if you don't support same-sex marriage you're a homophobic bigot, and this is completely untrue. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman, and by no means do I hate gay people.I work with several gay people, I give one a ride home from work, my girl friend has several gay friends that she invites over sometime that I hang out with, even one of my good friends told me he was gay later and I'm still friends with him.

Would a homophobic do all this? Not supporting gay marriage does NOT mean you hate gays, neither does simply disagreeing with being gay I don't hate them at all. So where are some liberals getting this from? I have seen some of them use similar BS when it comes to illegal immigration and they say everyone that is against it is racist.

ShadowMoses900

This reminds me of people from like 30-50 years ago, just replace the word gay with black and see how that sentence works.

Lol not even the same. Gays are NOT the new blacks, black people were forced to sit in different places, were barred from working the same jobs, were forced to live in ghettos etc....

Gays have all the rights as everyone else.

Except being able to donate blood, adopt children, become married, and all the legal rights that accompany adoption or marriage, and until recently they could not serve in the military.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I often see many (not all) liberals make the claim that if you don't support same-sex marriage you're a homophobic bigot, and this is completely untrue. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman, and by no means do I hate gay people.I work with several gay people, I give one a ride home from work, my girl friend has several gay friends that she invites over sometime that I hang out with, even one of my good friends told me he was gay later and I'm still friends with him.

Would a homophobic do all this? Not supporting gay marriage does NOT mean you hate gays, neither does simply disagreeing with being gay I don't hate them at all. So where are some liberals getting this from? I have seen some of them use similar BS when it comes to illegal immigration and they say everyone that is against it is racist.

StrifeDelivery

This reminds me of people from like 30-50 years ago, just replace the word gay with black and see how that sentence works.

Oh give me a break. How else should he have said it?

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I often see many (not all) liberals make the claim that if you don't support same-sex marriage you're a homophobic bigot, and this is completely untrue. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman, and by no means do I hate gay people.I work with several gay people, I give one a ride home from work, my girl friend has several gay friends that she invites over sometime that I hang out with, even one of my good friends told me he was gay later and I'm still friends with him.

Would a homophobic do all this? Not supporting gay marriage does NOT mean you hate gays, neither does simply disagreeing with being gay I don't hate them at all. So where are some liberals getting this from? I have seen some of them use similar BS when it comes to illegal immigration and they say everyone that is against it is racist.

hartsickdiscipl

This reminds me of people from like 30-50 years ago, just replace the word gay with black and see how that sentence works.

Oh give me a break. How else should he have said it?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

This reminds me of people from like 30-50 years ago, just replace the word gay with black and see how that sentence works.

Abbeten

Oh give me a break. How else should he have said it?

How can you judge his underlying sentiment from nothing but text? That's psychologically invalid. All you have to go on are his words and phrasing.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Oh give me a break. How else should he have said it?

hartsickdiscipl

How can you judge his underlying sentiment from nothing but text? That's psychologically invalid. All you have to go on are his words and phrasing.

bear with me here

its called 'subtext'

the subtext of him breathlessly repeating that he isn't a bigot because he has gay friends kind of underlines the bigotry of his wanting to relegate them to inferior legal status

[QUOTE="Bucked20"][QUOTE="Rich3232"]who the fvck even said anything about immigrants? wis3boi

assuming things and talking out of your ass makes you look like a muppet.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Abbeten"] the problem isn't the phrasing. it's the underlying sentiment. people forget that bigotry doesn't always entail hatred. Abbeten

How can you judge his underlying sentiment from nothing but text? That's psychologically invalid. All you have to go on are his words and phrasing.

bear with me here

its called 'subtext'

the subtext of him breathlessly repeating that he isn't a bigot because he has gay friends kind of underlines the bigotry of his wanting to relegate them to inferior legal status

There is a subtext to this thread too. People are bashing him because they already don't like him.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

How can you judge his underlying sentiment from nothing but text? That's psychologically invalid. All you have to go on are his words and phrasing.

hartsickdiscipl

bear with me here

its called 'subtext'

the subtext of him breathlessly repeating that he isn't a bigot because he has gay friends kind of underlines the bigotry of his wanting to relegate them to inferior legal status

There is a subtext to this thread too. People are bashing him because they already don't like him.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Abbeten"] there is a thing

bear with me here

its called 'subtext'

the subtext of him breathlessly repeating that he isn't a bigot because he has gay friends kind of underlines the bigotry of his wanting to relegate them to inferior legal status

Abbeten

There is a subtext to this thread too. People are bashing him because they already don't like him.

Respectfully disagree.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="Bucked20"] I bet all of you who called him a bigot for not supporting gay marriage have a problem with illegal immigrants,so in other words they're bigots too Bucked20

assuming things and talking out of your ass makes you look like a muppet.

I didn't have to assume, he put his character on the table clear as day

[QUOTE="Bucked20"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

assuming things and talking out of your ass makes you look like a muppet.

wis3boi

I didn't have to assume, he put his character on the table clear as day

No, you judged it.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

There is a subtext to this thread too. People are bashing him because they already don't like him.

hartsickdiscipl

Respectfully disagree.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Abbeten"] perhaps but that doesn't make his opinion any less terribleAbbeten

Respectfully disagree.

I think his position is valid. The only arguments necessary are on the first page of this thread. Some people tried to counter him with invalid assumptions.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Respectfully disagree.

hartsickdiscipl

I think his position is valid. The only arguments necessary are on the first page of this thread. Some people tried to counter him with invalid assumptions.

Are people actually comparing being called an idiot for expressing your opinion to denying a group of consenting adults rights? 0.o

Anyway, that dude with the cat avatar summarized it perfectly. Consenting adults should be able to marry. Although we shouldn't force churches to marry people, just like we shouldn't force churches to not marry people. But if you get married in one state it should be recognized in all states.

Doesn't matter though. The anti-gay populace (at least in 'merica) is dwindling, and it won't be an issue soon.

Being an English student

DarthJohnova

LOL

I'll have fries with my burger pls.