Not supporting same sex marriage does NOT make someone a bigot.

[QUOTE="Squeets"]

I don't get why everyone is arguing here. OP isn't opposed to gay people having the same rights as everyone else in a civil union. He simply disagrees with allowing them "marriage" as in under a religion.

I am in the same boat as OP. I think gays have every right to the same rights anyone else has. But I don't feel WE have the right to dictate what a religious institution may or MAY NOT do. If they don't want to wed two men or two women then they have that right. But the government needs to make a federally mandated right to civil unions a reality and federal, state, and local governments need to make all resources available to married couples available to anyone in a civil union.

toast_burner

Forcing a church to not allow a couple to marry is just as bad as forcing them to allow a couple to marry. Few people are demanding churches to be forced to do anything. If gays are allowed to marry they can get married in churches that support it or in a secular enviroment. No need for any of that Civil Union BS.

The arguements against it though usually go under the idea that any reform would be sweeping. It won't be for one church it will be for all churces. And I am not saying a church should be forced to not marry a couple under law. I am simply saying just as there should never be law imposing religious practice over secular practice, likewise there should never be a law imposing secular practice over religious.

If a church wants to marry a gay couple, they should have that right.

If a church doesn't want to marry a gay couple, they too should also have that right.

In either case gays should have the same spousal protection under law.

I am under the belief that forcing a church to take part in a ritual their religious texts and laws do not conform with is religious discrimination.

They do have all the same rights as everyone else. Only difference is that we arn't changing the definition of marriage. Simply supporting civil unions that give them all the same rights as marriage is fine and not bigoted at all.ShadowMoses900

Here's the thing: Civil unions DO NOT give them the same rights as married couples. Some states do reconize domestic partnerships, but many do not--and they're under no obligation to do so under the Defense of Marriage Act. Not to mention they are not reconized on a federal level.

If they enter a civil union in one state that reconizes it, then travel to a state that doesn't, and their partner gets deathly ill or gets in a accident and winds up in a hopsital, the other partner has no legal right to visit them in the hospital, or act as their next of kin. It also goes for filing tax returns--they'er forced to file seperately and don't get the same tax benefits as married couples.

These are the main reasons that Gays are fighting for the right to marry. I can only imaginge the pain they may have to go through to see someone they love get into a fatal accident, and not being able to be with the one they love for their final moments.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]What's preventing it from changing in America? Somestates already do allow it. It wasn't that long ago black people couldn't marry white people in many states yet they changed that.

toast_burner

There's only a couple of states where they allow it, and even then they are subject to change. In American most people here are against gay marriage, but most of those people have no problem with civil unions and no they don't hate gay people. Even in the most liberal places such as California gay marriage fails to pass time and time again, they had a judge that ruled it was ok but the public came out against it. And a lot of those who were against it were black, if it was racist why would they be against same sex marriage then?

Not supporting it doesn't mean you hate gay people.

No it doesn't mean you hate them, but it does mean you're a bigot. until you give a non-bigoted reason to oppose it, you are a bigot.

Slavery isn't even the same issue. Why do people keep trying to link it to things that are unrelated? Gay people are not slaves, gay people are not being oppressed by the law, they are allowed to work and eat and sit and live anywhere they want, to discriminate against them is against the law. It is not what black people faced.

It's not bigoted at all to not support same sex marriage. A bigot would want to beat them up and would hate them.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="megagene"]Okay...So what does it make you then?megagene

Simply someone who believes that marriage is between a man and a woman.

The ability to reproduce

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

There's only a couple of states where they allow it, and even then they are subject to change. In American most people here are against gay marriage, but most of those people have no problem with civil unions and no they don't hate gay people. Even in the most liberal places such as California gay marriage fails to pass time and time again, they had a judge that ruled it was ok but the public came out against it. And a lot of those who were against it were black, if it was racist why would they be against same sex marriage then?

Not supporting it doesn't mean you hate gay people.

Aljosa23

lol no

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147662/first-time-majority-americans-favor-legal-gay-marriage.aspx

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2012/12/12/historic-note-gay-marriage-support-tops-50-percent-in-poll/

lol I wonder what he will do when same sex marriage is legalized everywhere, probably move to Saudi Arabia or something. Seems to fit his views better

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]They do have all the same rights as everyone else. Only difference is that we arn't changing the definition of marriage. Simply supporting civil unions that give them all the same rights as marriage is fine and not bigoted at all.Hallenbeck77

Here's the thing: Civil unions DO NOT give them the same rights as married couples. Some states do reconize domestic partnerships, but many do not--and they're under no obligation to do so under the Defense of Marriage Act. Not to mention they are not reconized on a federal level.

If they enter a civil union in one state that reconizes it, then travel to a state that doesn't, and their partner gets deathly ill or gets in a accident and winds up in a hopsital, the other partner has no legal right to visit them in the hospital, or act as their next of kin. It also goes for filing tax returns--they'er forced to file seperately and don't get the same tax benefits as married couples.

These are the main reasons that Gays are fighting for the right to marry. I can only imaginge the pain they may have to go through to see someone they love get into a fatal accident, and not being able to be with the one they love for their final moments.

Oh I want civil unions to offer ALL the rights as marriage, I just don't belive in gay marriage it's self.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Squeets"]

I don't get why everyone is arguing here. OP isn't opposed to gay people having the same rights as everyone else in a civil union. He simply disagrees with allowing them "marriage" as in under a religion.

I am in the same boat as OP. I think gays have every right to the same rights anyone else has. But I don't feel WE have the right to dictate what a religious institution may or MAY NOT do. If they don't want to wed two men or two women then they have that right. But the government needs to make a federally mandated right to civil unions a reality and federal, state, and local governments need to make all resources available to married couples available to anyone in a civil union.

Squeets

Forcing a church to not allow a couple to marry is just as bad as forcing them to allow a couple to marry. Few people are demanding churches to be forced to do anything. If gays are allowed to marry they can get married in churches that support it or in a secular enviroment. No need for any of that Civil Union BS.

The arguements against it though usually go under the idea that any reform would be sweeping. It won't be for one church it will be for all churces. And I am not saying a church should be forced to not marry a couple under law. I am simply saying just as there should never be law imposing religious practice over secular practice, likewise there should never be a law imposing secular practice over religious.

If a church wants to marry a gay couple, they should have that right.

If a church doesn't want to marry a gay couple, they too should also have that right.

In either case gays should have the same spousal protection under law.

I am under the belief that forcing a church to take part in a ritual their religious texts and laws do not conform with is religious discrimination.

It clearly states that no church or religious institution will be forced to partake in any same sex ceremony.

Gay people are not slaves, gay people are not being oppressed by the law, they are allowed to work and eat and sit and live anywhere they want, to discriminate against them is against the law.

ShadowMoses900

Look at all dat legal discrimination! *sighs* don't you get tired of being wrong?

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

Why does god dislike gay people so much anyways?

You would think that god would want his followers doing something more useful. Pretty much all their energy goes towards finding reasons to stop gay people from getting married.

Aljosa23

God doesn't hate gay people. God loves them like everyone else and wants us to do the same.

[QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]They do have all the same rights as everyone else. Only difference is that we arn't changing the definition of marriage. Simply supporting civil unions that give them all the same rights as marriage is fine and not bigoted at all.ShadowMoses900

Here's the thing: Civil unions DO NOT give them the same rights as married couples. Some states do reconize domestic partnerships, but many do not--and they're under no obligation to do so under the Defense of Marriage Act. Not to mention they are not reconized on a federal level.

If they enter a civil union in one state that reconizes it, then travel to a state that doesn't, and their partner gets deathly ill or gets in a accident and winds up in a hopsital, the other partner has no legal right to visit them in the hospital, or act as their next of kin. It also goes for filing tax returns--they'er forced to file seperately and don't get the same tax benefits as married couples.

These are the main reasons that Gays are fighting for the right to marry. I can only imaginge the pain they may have to go through to see someone they love get into a fatal accident, and not being able to be with the one they love for their final moments.

Oh I want civil unions to offer ALL the rights as marriage, I just don't belive in gay marriage it's self.

You've been asked the question more than once in this thread. If you want gays to be able to have civil unions, and you want said civil unions to have all the same rights as marriages then why just just call it marriage and be done with it? Why are you hung up on one little word?

Slavery isn't even the same issue. Why do people keep trying to link it to things that are unrelated? Gay people are not slaves, gay people are not being oppressed by the law, they are allowed to work and eat and sit and live anywhere they want, to discriminate against them is against the law. It is not what black people faced.

It's not bigoted at all to not support same sex marriage. A bigot would want to beat them up and would hate them.

ShadowMoses900

Marriage gives people certain legal benefits in the form of visition rights and taxation. If same sex marriage is illegal, then gay people do not have access to those benefits, and that is a type of oppression.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

There's only a couple of states where they allow it, and even then they are subject to change. In American most people here are against gay marriage, but most of those people have no problem with civil unions and no they don't hate gay people. Even in the most liberal places such as California gay marriage fails to pass time and time again, they had a judge that ruled it was ok but the public came out against it. And a lot of those who were against it were black, if it was racist why would they be against same sex marriage then?

Not supporting it doesn't mean you hate gay people.

ShadowMoses900

No it doesn't mean you hate them, but it does mean you're a bigot. until you give a non-bigoted reason to oppose it, you are a bigot.

Slavery isn't even the same issue. Why do people keep trying to link it to things that are unrelated? Gay people are not slaves, gay people are not being oppressed by the law, they are allowed to work and eat and sit and live anywhere they want, to discriminate against them is against the law. It is not what black people faced.

It's not bigoted at all to not support same sex marriage. A bigot would want to beat them up and would hate them.

And yes it is oppresion to not allow someone to marry simply for being different to you.

[QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]They do have all the same rights as everyone else. Only difference is that we arn't changing the definition of marriage. Simply supporting civil unions that give them all the same rights as marriage is fine and not bigoted at all.ShadowMoses900

Here's the thing: Civil unions DO NOT give them the same rights as married couples. Some states do reconize domestic partnerships, but many do not--and they're under no obligation to do so under the Defense of Marriage Act. Not to mention they are not reconized on a federal level.

If they enter a civil union in one state that reconizes it, then travel to a state that doesn't, and their partner gets deathly ill or gets in a accident and winds up in a hopsital, the other partner has no legal right to visit them in the hospital, or act as their next of kin. It also goes for filing tax returns--they'er forced to file seperately and don't get the same tax benefits as married couples.

These are the main reasons that Gays are fighting for the right to marry. I can only imaginge the pain they may have to go through to see someone they love get into a fatal accident, and not being able to be with the one they love for their final moments.

Oh I want civil unions to offer ALL the rights as marriage, I just don't belive in gay marriage it's self.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"]

Here's the thing: Civil unions DO NOT give them the same rights as married couples. Some states do reconize domestic partnerships, but many do not--and they're under no obligation to do so under the Defense of Marriage Act. Not to mention they are not reconized on a federal level.

If they enter a civil union in one state that reconizes it, then travel to a state that doesn't, and their partner gets deathly ill or gets in a accident and winds up in a hopsital, the other partner has no legal right to visit them in the hospital, or act as their next of kin. It also goes for filing tax returns--they'er forced to file seperately and don't get the same tax benefits as married couples.

These are the main reasons that Gays are fighting for the right to marry. I can only imaginge the pain they may have to go through to see someone they love get into a fatal accident, and not being able to be with the one they love for their final moments.

worlock77

Oh I want civil unions to offer ALL the rights as marriage, I just don't belive in gay marriage it's self.

You've been asked the question more than once in this thread. If you want gays to be able to have civil unions, and you want said civil unions to have all the same rights as marriages then why just just call it marriage and be done with it? Why are you hung up on one little word?

Because marriage is an important social institution and the definition is a Man and a Woman. You can't call it marriage because it's not.

I disagree with smoking, I think it's wrong and unhealthy, but do I hate smokers? Not at all. I know plenty of people that smoke. But there are certain places where they are not allowed to smoke and supporting that doesn't make you an "anti-smoker bigot" or anything does it? No. I see gay marriage the same way.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Oh I want civil unions to offer ALL the rights as marriage, I just don't belive in gay marriage it's self.

ShadowMoses900

You've been asked the question more than once in this thread. If you want gays to be able to have civil unions, and you want said civil unions to have all the same rights as marriages then why just just call it marriage and be done with it? Why are you hung up on one little word?

Because marriage is an important social institution and the definition is a Man and a Woman. You can't call it marriage because it's not.

Hmmm.....you might have a point. If words and language were static and unchanging. Language, however, is fluid. Words change with usage. Language and words evolve, expand, grow beyond their initial meaning. Take the word gay for example.....

Oh I want civil unions to offer ALL the rights as marriage, I just don't belive in gay marriage it's self.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Oh I want civil unions to offer ALL the rights as marriage, I just don't belive in gay marriage it's self.

ShadowMoses900

You've been asked the question more than once in this thread. If you want gays to be able to have civil unions, and you want said civil unions to have all the same rights as marriages then why just just call it marriage and be done with it? Why are you hung up on one little word?

Because marriage is an important social institution and the definition is a Man and a Woman. You can't call it marriage because it's not.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Oh I want civil unions to offer ALL the rights as marriage, I just don't belive in gay marriage it's self.

Hallenbeck77

So just make civil unions offer all the rights of marriage and be done with it. There issue solved.

Because marriage is an important social institution and the definition is a Man and a Woman. You can't call it marriage because it's not.

ShadowMoses900

Actually, marriage is the joining of any two things.

You marry wine to dinner, pen to paper, capsules to rockets, etc.

The term you're looking for isn't 'marriage', it's 'Holy Matrimony'.

[QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Oh I want civil unions to offer ALL the rights as marriage, I just don't belive in gay marriage it's self.

ShadowMoses900

So just make civil unions offer all the rights of marriage and be done with it. There issue solved.

[QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Oh I want civil unions to offer ALL the rights as marriage, I just don't belive in gay marriage it's self.

ShadowMoses900

So just make civil unions offer all the rights of marriage and be done with it. There issue solved.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

You've been asked the question more than once in this thread. If you want gays to be able to have civil unions, and you want said civil unions to have all the same rights as marriages then why just just call it marriage and be done with it? Why are you hung up on one little word?

toast_burner

Because marriage is an important social institution and the definition is a Man and a Woman. You can't call it marriage because it's not.

I actually agree that marriage is an important institution in society, and that's why it's so important to extend it to same sex couples.

[QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]They do have all the same rights as everyone else. Only difference is that we arn't changing the definition of marriage. Simply supporting civil unions that give them all the same rights as marriage is fine and not bigoted at all.ShadowMoses900

Here's the thing: Civil unions DO NOT give them the same rights as married couples. Some states do reconize domestic partnerships, but many do not--and they're under no obligation to do so under the Defense of Marriage Act. Not to mention they are not reconized on a federal level.

If they enter a civil union in one state that reconizes it, then travel to a state that doesn't, and their partner gets deathly ill or gets in a accident and winds up in a hopsital, the other partner has no legal right to visit them in the hospital, or act as their next of kin. It also goes for filing tax returns--they'er forced to file seperately and don't get the same tax benefits as married couples.

These are the main reasons that Gays are fighting for the right to marry. I can only imaginge the pain they may have to go through to see someone they love get into a fatal accident, and not being able to be with the one they love for their final moments.

Oh I want civil unions to offer ALL the rights as marriage, I just don't belive in gay marriage it's self.

[QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Oh I want civil unions to offer ALL the rights as marriage, I just don't belive in gay marriage it's self.

ShadowMoses900

So just make civil unions offer all the rights of marriage and be done with it. There issue solved.

first, it's a hell of a lot easier to simply redifine marriage legally.

Second, civil unions just don't have the same respect fromt he general population. A civil union is not the same as marriage.

Third, I'm still waiting for an answer to this. If you're so OK with civil unions that aloow the exact same rights as marriage, why shound't we do the simpler thing and just legalise same sex marriage?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"]

Here's the thing: Civil unions DO NOT give them the same rights as married couples. Some states do reconize domestic partnerships, but many do not--and they're under no obligation to do so under the Defense of Marriage Act. Not to mention they are not reconized on a federal level.

If they enter a civil union in one state that reconizes it, then travel to a state that doesn't, and their partner gets deathly ill or gets in a accident and winds up in a hopsital, the other partner has no legal right to visit them in the hospital, or act as their next of kin. It also goes for filing tax returns--they'er forced to file seperately and don't get the same tax benefits as married couples.

These are the main reasons that Gays are fighting for the right to marry. I can only imaginge the pain they may have to go through to see someone they love get into a fatal accident, and not being able to be with the one they love for their final moments.

Abbeten

Oh I want civil unions to offer ALL the rights as marriage, I just don't belive in gay marriage it's self.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"]Civil unions don't offer all of the rights, that's why they're fighing for gay marriage. This goes way beyond some people's hangups of what is defined as"traditional marriage". If some people can't see that, then I don't know what to tell them.

BuryMe

So just make civil unions offer all the rights of marriage and be done with it. There issue solved.

first, it's a hell of a lot easier to simply redifine marriage legally.

Second, civil unions just don't have the same respect fromt he general population. A civil union is not the same as marriage.

Third, I'm still waiting for an answer to this. If you're so OK with civil unions that aloow the exact same rights as marriage, why shound't we do the simpler thing and just legalise same sex marriage?

You can't change the definition of marriage. Sorry.

Civil Unions with the same rights as marriage is basically the same thing, just don't call it marriage because it's not. It's not really a big deal to me if they did get married, I just don't support or believe in it.

Many atheists I find use this issue as a platform to push their agendas, they don't really care about gay marriage either. They just pretend to because they see it as an opportunity to take down something they see as a religious institution.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

So just make civil unions offer all the rights of marriage and be done with it. There issue solved.

ShadowMoses900

first, it's a hell of a lot easier to simply redifine marriage legally.

Second, civil unions just don't have the same respect fromt he general population. A civil union is not the same as marriage.

Third, I'm still waiting for an answer to this. If you're so OK with civil unions that aloow the exact same rights as marriage, why shound't we do the simpler thing and just legalise same sex marriage?

You can't change the definition of marriage. Sorry.

Civil Unions with the same rights as marriage is basically the same thing, just don't call it marriage because it's not. It's not really a big deal to me if they did get married, I just don't support or believe in it.

Many atheists I find use this issue as a platform to push their agendas, they don't really care about gay marriage either. They just pretend to because they see it as an opportunity to take down something they see as a religious institution.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Oh I want civil unions to offer ALL the rights as marriage, I just don't belive in gay marriage it's self.

toast_burner

Gay marriage is not allowed in the UK.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

So just make civil unions offer all the rights of marriage and be done with it. There issue solved.

ShadowMoses900

first, it's a hell of a lot easier to simply redifine marriage legally.

Second, civil unions just don't have the same respect fromt he general population. A civil union is not the same as marriage.

Third, I'm still waiting for an answer to this. If you're so OK with civil unions that aloow the exact same rights as marriage, why shound't we do the simpler thing and just legalise same sex marriage?

You can't change the definition of marriage. Sorry.

Civil Unions with the same rights as marriage is basically the same thing, just don't call it marriage because it's not. It's not really a big deal to me if they did get married, I just don't support or believe in it.

Many atheists I find use this issue as a platform to push their agendas, they don't really care about gay marriage either. They just pretend to because they see it as an opportunity to take down something they see as a religious institution.

Trying to change to subject to athiests now? Pathetic.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]No, not solved.

first, it's a hell of a lot easier to simply redifine marriage legally.

Second, civil unions just don't have the same respect fromt he general population. A civil union is not the same as marriage.

Third, I'm still waiting for an answer to this. If you're so OK with civil unions that aloow the exact same rights as marriage, why shound't we do the simpler thing and just legalise same sex marriage?

Rich3232

You can't change the definition of marriage. Sorry.

Civil Unions with the same rights as marriage is basically the same thing, just don't call it marriage because it's not. It's not really a big deal to me if they did get married, I just don't support or believe in it.

Many atheists I find use this issue as a platform to push their agendas, they don't really care about gay marriage either. They just pretend to because they see it as an opportunity to take down something they see as a religious institution.

For the last time. Gays are not the new blacks.

You can't change the definition of marriage. Sorry.

ShadowMoses900

Dude, you're not 7 anymore.

You can't change the definition of marriage. Sorry.

ShadowMoses900

Nor can you.

-ANYcloseorintimateassociationorunion:themarriageofwordsandmusicinahitsong.

-Dictionary.com

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]No, not solved.

first, it's a hell of a lot easier to simply redifine marriage legally.

Second, civil unions just don't have the same respect fromt he general population. A civil union is not the same as marriage.

Third, I'm still waiting for an answer to this. If you're so OK with civil unions that aloow the exact same rights as marriage, why shound't we do the simpler thing and just legalise same sex marriage?

worlock77

You can't change the definition of marriage. Sorry.

Civil Unions with the same rights as marriage is basically the same thing, just don't call it marriage because it's not. It's not really a big deal to me if they did get married, I just don't support or believe in it.

Many atheists I find use this issue as a platform to push their agendas, they don't really care about gay marriage either. They just pretend to because they see it as an opportunity to take down something they see as a religious institution.

Trying to change to subject to athiests now? Pathetic.

Just pointing out an observation. Most of them don't really seem to care about gay marriage either, they are just using it to push an agenda.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

So just make civil unions offer all the rights of marriage and be done with it. There issue solved.

ShadowMoses900

first, it's a hell of a lot easier to simply redifine marriage legally.

Second, civil unions just don't have the same respect fromt he general population. A civil union is not the same as marriage.

Third, I'm still waiting for an answer to this. If you're so OK with civil unions that aloow the exact same rights as marriage, why shound't we do the simpler thing and just legalise same sex marriage?

You can't change the definition of marriage. Sorry.

Civil Unions with the same rights as marriage is basically the same thing, just don't call it marriage because it's not. It's not really a big deal to me if they did get married, I just don't support or believe in it.

Many atheists I find use this issue as a platform to push their agendas, they don't really care about gay marriage either. They just pretend to because they see it as an opportunity to take down something they see as a religious institution.

Civili unions are not the same thing. You and i both know that civil unions will never be seen the same way by people, and will never be afforded the same respect. And if SSM is legal, then 2 people of the same sex getting married will be a real marriage.

I can't speak for other atheists, but I do care about SSM. Marrige is not just a religious institution.

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You can't change the definition of marriage. Sorry.

Civil Unions with the same rights as marriage is basically the same thing, just don't call it marriage because it's not. It's not really a big deal to me if they did get married, I just don't support or believe in it.

Many atheists I find use this issue as a platform to push their agendas, they don't really care about gay marriage either. They just pretend to because they see it as an opportunity to take down something they see as a religious institution.

ShadowMoses900

For the last time. Gays are not the new blacks.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Abbeten"] ironically, this would probably be stricken down in the courts since making civil unions functionally the same as marriages but keeping the label different would be deemed an irrational law with no purpose other than to render moral judgment on a select group of peopleShadowMoses900

Gay marriage is not allowed in the UK.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You can't change the definition of marriage. Sorry.

Civil Unions with the same rights as marriage is basically the same thing, just don't call it marriage because it's not. It's not really a big deal to me if they did get married, I just don't support or believe in it.

Many atheists I find use this issue as a platform to push their agendas, they don't really care about gay marriage either. They just pretend to because they see it as an opportunity to take down something they see as a religious institution.

ShadowMoses900

Trying to change to subject to athiests now? Pathetic.

Just pointing out an observation. Most of them don't really seem to care about gay marriage either, they are just using it to push an agenda.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Abbeten"] ironically, this would probably be stricken down in the courts since making civil unions functionally the same as marriages but keeping the label different would be deemed an irrational law with no purpose other than to render moral judgment on a select group of peopleShadowMoses900

Gay marriage is not allowed in the UK.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You can't change the definition of marriage. Sorry.

br0kenrabbit

Nor can you.

-ANYcloseorintimateassociationorunion:themarriageofwordsandmusicinahitsong.

-Dictionary.com

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You can't change the definition of marriage. Sorry.

Civil Unions with the same rights as marriage is basically the same thing, just don't call it marriage because it's not. It's not really a big deal to me if they did get married, I just don't support or believe in it.

Many atheists I find use this issue as a platform to push their agendas, they don't really care about gay marriage either. They just pretend to because they see it as an opportunity to take down something they see as a religious institution.

ShadowMoses900

Trying to change to subject to athiests now? Pathetic.

Just pointing out an observation. Most of them don't really seem to care about gay marriage either, they are just using it to push an agenda.

No, you're not. You're attempting to distract from the subject after getting your ass handed to you in this thread.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Which oddly enough is what they did in the UK which received a lot of criticism and is now being fixed.

BuryMe

Gay marriage is not allowed in the UK.

That depends on what the people that live there think. Not really my business, but I doubt it will change there.

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You can't change the definition of marriage. Sorry.

Civil Unions with the same rights as marriage is basically the same thing, just don't call it marriage because it's not. It's not really a big deal to me if they did get married, I just don't support or believe in it.

Many atheists I find use this issue as a platform to push their agendas, they don't really care about gay marriage either. They just pretend to because they see it as an opportunity to take down something they see as a religious institution.

ShadowMoses900

For the last time. Gays are not the new blacks.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You can't change the definition of marriage. Sorry.

ghoklebutter

Nor can you.

-ANYcloseorintimateassociationorunion:themarriageofwordsandmusicinahitsong.

-Dictionary.com

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You can't change the definition of marriage. Sorry.

ghoklebutter

Nor can you.

-ANYcloseorintimateassociationorunion:themarriageofwordsandmusicinahitsong.

-Dictionary.com

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Gay marriage is not allowed in the UK.

ShadowMoses900

That depends on what the people that live there think. Not really my business, but I doubt it will change there.