Obama admin bans press from filming BP oil spill areas in the Gulf

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#251 bluezy
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[QUOTE="bluezy"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

The term "Corporate America" comes to mind here. This is disappointing. As a Gulf coast resident, I have approved Obama and the actions he has taken at this crisis; but not anymore. From Pensacola, FL: **** you Mr. President.

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You didn't read the post that said Thad Allen, which is a funny way of spelling Barack Obama, ordered the ban and later pulled it back for credentialed media, eh?

I missed it. So will Obama be deeming what is "credentialed" and what isn't?

No. Apparently that will be judged by the Coast Guard captain of the Port of New Orleans, a position not currently held by Obama.
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[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

The term "Corporate America" comes to mind here. This is disappointing. As a Gulf coast resident, I have approved Obama and the actions he has taken at this crisis; but not anymore. From Pensacola, FL: **** you Mr. President.

majwill24

Yeah, I know how you feel. The continuation of warmongering is what disappointed me. I'm tired of hearing from the apologists on why the dramatic increase of drone strikes, patriot act, threats against Iran etc is somehow bad under Bush, but good under Obama.

hmm I didn't know anybody was talking about that in this thread.
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Well of course by now it's typical American attitude to blame others rather than ourselves as that quote puts it. perhaps because it hurts to acknowledge that we contribute more than any other nation on earth when it comes to demand of oil due to our lifesty1e

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Our country is not as condensed as other countries and commutes are not close.....that is part of the reason....:|

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#254 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

[QUOTE="bluezy"] You didn't read the post that said Thad Allen, which is a funny way of spelling Barack Obama, ordered the ban and later pulled it back for credentialed media, eh?bluezy

I missed it. So will Obama be deeming what is "credentialed" and what isn't?

No. Apparently that will be judged by the Coast Guard captain of the Port of New Orleans, a position not currently held by Obama.

Captains don't generally set policy.....
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[QUOTE="majwill24"]

[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

The term "Corporate America" comes to mind here. This is disappointing. As a Gulf coast resident, I have approved Obama and the actions he has taken at this crisis; but not anymore. From Pensacola, FL: **** you Mr. President.

Serraph105

Yeah, I know how you feel. The continuation of warmongering is what disappointed me. I'm tired of hearing from the apologists on why the dramatic increase of drone strikes, patriot act, threats against Iran etc is somehow bad under Bush, but good under Obama.

hmm I didn't know anybody was talking about that in this thread.

I expressed sympathy for his disappointment and then expressed the reasons for mine.

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#256 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="bluezy"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

I missed it. So will Obama be deeming what is "credentialed" and what isn't?

LJS9502_basic

No. Apparently that will be judged by the Coast Guard captain of the Port of New Orleans, a position not currently held by Obama.

Captains don't generally set policy.....

policy is usually set before they take the job. In fact it's usually set in place for years.

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Captains don't generally set policy.....LJS9502_basic
But National Incident Commanders may, which is what Thad Allen is. I assume the captain would just clear the media representatives.

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#258 LikeHaterade
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[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

[QUOTE="bluezy"] You didn't read the post that said Thad Allen, which is a funny way of spelling Barack Obama, ordered the ban and later pulled it back for credentialed media, eh?bluezy

I missed it. So will Obama be deeming what is "credentialed" and what isn't?

No. Apparently that will be judged by the Coast Guard captain of the Port of New Orleans, a position not currently held by Obama.

Are you trying to be cute? Or did you honestly feel the need to tell me that the president of the United States is not the Coast Guard captain of the Port of New Orleans? Anyways, keep up the good work Mr. President.

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#259 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Captains don't generally set policy.....bluezy

But National Incident Commanders may, which is what Thad Allen is. I assume the captain would just clear the media representatives.

Everyone takes orders......just because one person enforces the order does not mean someone else did not initiate it. Not saying who as I haven't been privy to the chain of command in this case....just saying that because person X made the statement does not inherently mean the premise is incorrect of the thread. It may or may not be....but we have no way of knowing.
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#260 bluezy
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[QUOTE="bluezy"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

I missed it. So will Obama be deeming what is "credentialed" and what isn't?

LikeHaterade

No. Apparently that will be judged by the Coast Guard captain of the Port of New Orleans, a position not currently held by Obama.

Are you trying to be cute? Or did you honestly feel the need to tell me that the president of the United States is not the Coast Guard captain of the Port of New Orleans? Anyways, keep up the good work Mr. President.

Hah, I sure wasn't serious about it, that's for certain. I apologize, I should save that for the more... consistently antagonistic members of the OT.
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#261 bluezy
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[QUOTE="bluezy"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Captains don't generally set policy.....LJS9502_basic

But National Incident Commanders may, which is what Thad Allen is. I assume the captain would just clear the media representatives.

Everyone takes orders......just because one person enforces the order does not mean someone else did not initiate it. Not saying who as I haven't been privy to the chain of command in this case....just saying that because person X made the statement does not inherently mean the premise is incorrect of the thread. It may or may not be....but we have no way of knowing.

Oh absolutely, but I disagree with the immediate thought from some on this board that Obama must've handed this order down. Not necessarily you, mind you.
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#262 majwill24
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[QUOTE="bluezy"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Captains don't generally set policy.....LJS9502_basic

But National Incident Commanders may, which is what Thad Allen is. I assume the captain would just clear the media representatives.

Everyone takes orders......just because one person enforces the order does not mean someone else did not initiate it. Not saying who as I haven't been privy to the chain of command in this case....just saying that because person X made the statement does not inherently mean the premise is incorrect of the thread. It may or may not be....but we have no way of knowing.

Anything involving a major disaster and restricts media access is bad politics. thad allen reports to the WH. One of the political wizards would have told him, not to enforce the restriction, regardless of the rules because its bad PR.

The faux respect for rules that limit the media access by the apologist is ridiculous. You know they wouldn't show the same benefit of the doubt if Bush was in office.

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#263 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="bluezy"] But National Incident Commanders may, which is what Thad Allen is. I assume the captain would just clear the media representatives.

bluezy

Everyone takes orders......just because one person enforces the order does not mean someone else did not initiate it. Not saying who as I haven't been privy to the chain of command in this case....just saying that because person X made the statement does not inherently mean the premise is incorrect of the thread. It may or may not be....but we have no way of knowing.

Oh absolutely, but I disagree with the immediate thought from some on this board that Obama must've handed this order down. Not necessarily you, mind you.

He set a bad precedent in this area when he gave NASA orders though so I can't say that it's an unwarranted thought....

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You are right EXECPT. The larger more important issue to be completely frank is the conversation about how this event happend in the first place which is a topic I almost never see you guys talking about.

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Simple, it is the British answer to the Boston Tea Party...
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#266 bluezy
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[QUOTE="bluezy"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Everyone takes orders......just because one person enforces the order does not mean someone else did not initiate it. Not saying who as I haven't been privy to the chain of command in this case....just saying that because person X made the statement does not inherently mean the premise is incorrect of the thread. It may or may not be....but we have no way of knowing.LJS9502_basic

Oh absolutely, but I disagree with the immediate thought from some on this board that Obama must've handed this order down. Not necessarily you, mind you.

He set a bad precedent in this area when he gave NASA orders though so I can't say that it's an unwarranted thought....

I'm not aware of anything involving NASA, and Google doesn't seem to fill me in. May I ask what happened?
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Wow, Now he's against our 1st amendment as well...
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#268 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="bluezy"] Oh absolutely, but I disagree with the immediate thought from some on this board that Obama must've handed this order down. Not necessarily you, mind you.bluezy

He set a bad precedent in this area when he gave NASA orders though so I can't say that it's an unwarranted thought....

I'm not aware of anything involving NASA, and Google doesn't seem to fill me in. May I ask what happened?

There was a thread on it not too long ago...but basically he told NASA what they had to do......which is similar in that he is dictating to government agencies what to do.
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#270 bluezy
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[QUOTE="bluezy"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He set a bad precedent in this area when he gave NASA orders though so I can't say that it's an unwarranted thought....LJS9502_basic
I'm not aware of anything involving NASA, and Google doesn't seem to fill me in. May I ask what happened?

There was a thread on it not too long ago...but basically he told NASA what they had to do......which is similar in that he is dictating to government agencies what to do.

Entirely possible, and I now see what you mean in the suspicion. Still not much more than a passing thought in my mind, though, telling NASA what to do and being publicized as doing such isn't necessarily the same as declaring a press ban or press buffer allegedly through someone else.

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="TheGreatOutdoor"]Lol talk about bad advice all around. Thanks, but no thanks.

TheGreatOutdoor

Are you serious dude? You think that The News Hour, The Wall Street Journal, and The New York Times are bad sources of news but Fox News is not? This has got to be a joke. :lol:

I don't even know what "The News Hour" is. I was actually talking about the Wallstreet Journel and the New York Times. Especially The New York Times. I wouldn't use that newspaper to wipe my ass with.

The reason why you trust fox news is because you're so far removed from reality, then when you actually witness less biased news sources, they threaten your twisted world view. Fox News is only accepted to be "valid" news source by Republicans because it cradles misinformed conservative opinion.

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It's obvious that whoever ends up running this country is going to end up screwing us.
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#273 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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What happened to is doctrine of Transparency?..

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What happened to is doctrine of Transparency?..Xx_Hopeless_xX
The Coast Guard's media ban has been lifted for credentialed reporters.
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#275 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]What happened to is doctrine of Transparency?..scorch-62
The Coast Guard's media ban has been lifted for credentialed reporters.

Oh i see...

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[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]What happened to is doctrine of Transparency?..Xx_Hopeless_xX

The Coast Guard's media ban has been lifted for credentialed reporters.

Oh i see...

Who decides the credentials?
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#277 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="scorch-62"] The Coast Guard's media ban has been lifted for credentialed reporters.LJS9502_basic

Oh i see...

Who decides the credentials?

Obama i guess :lol: ?.. Honestly i have no clue..

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="scorch-62"] The Coast Guard's media ban has been lifted for credentialed reporters.LJS9502_basic

Oh i see...

Who decides the credentials?

There's no proof indicating the original blackout came directly from Obama.
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#279 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Oh i see...

scorch-62

Who decides the credentials?

There's no proof indicating the original blackout came directly from Obama.

But who decides them O_o...?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Oh i see...

scorch-62

Who decides the credentials?

There's no proof indicating the original blackout came directly from Obama.

Okay and that has to do with my post exactly how? But since we're playing this game....there is no proof it didn't. I do know the Coast Guard cannot set that kind of policy themselves so it did come from someone in DC.

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#281 _R34LiTY_
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Well of course by now it's typical American attitude to blame others rather than ourselves as that quote puts it. perhaps because it hurts to acknowledge that we contribute more than any other nation on earth when it comes to demand of oil due to our lifesty1e

LJS9502_basic

Our country is not as condensed as other countries and commutes are not close.....that is part of the reason....:|

I never saidwe are as condensed. Where you'd get that idea?

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Who decides the credentials?

There's no proof indicating the original blackout came directly from Obama.

But who decides them O_o...?

In the press release conducted by Thad Allen, the blackout was described as standard Coast Guard safety procedure when dealing with hazardous materials.
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#283 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

Well of course by now it's typical American attitude to blame others rather than ourselves as that quote puts it. perhaps because it hurts to acknowledge that we contribute more than any other nation on earth when it comes to demand of oil due to our lifesty1e

_R34LiTY_

Our country is not as condensed as other countries and commutes are not close.....that is part of the reason....:|

I never saidwe are as condensed. Where you'd get that idea?

The post about oil use......I was giving you a reason why we use more than some countries with better public transportation. Plus, we do have more people than many other countries...
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] There's no proof indicating the original blackout came directly from Obama.

But who decides them O_o...?

In the press release conducted by Thad Allen, the blackout was described as standard Coast Guard safety procedure when dealing with hazardous materials.

So the Coast Guard decides the credentials?..
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] There's no proof indicating the original blackout came directly from Obama.

But who decides them O_o...?

In the press release conducted by Thad Allen, the blackout was described as standard Coast Guard safety procedure when dealing with hazardous materials.

Then why didn't it happen day one?
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I think it's important that this wasn't a ban on the MEDIA at all, but a ban on PEOPLE. They don't want *anyone* within 60 feet of the oil, not just the press. I think people are trying to twist this into something it isn't like 90% of Obama criticism these days.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Who decides the credentials?

There's no proof indicating the original blackout came directly from Obama.

Okay and that has to do with my post exactly how? But since we're playing this game....there is no proof it didn't. I do know the Coast Guard cannot set that kind of policy themselves so it did come from someone in DC.

Hopeless mentioned Obama and it threw me off. Sorry. The credentials have not been openly discussed, at least to my knowledge. Also, standard procedure isn't ordered directly from DC.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Oh i see...

scorch-62

Who decides the credentials?

There's no proof indicating the original blackout came directly from Obama.

When all Republicans can do is blame Obama for everything after being butt hurt that Bush's actions in his 8 years was the catalyst for our current problems, what more can you expect? The RNC are obstructionists and hypocrites, plain and simple. Plain and simple. Just look at the bill they favored today... LMAO.... on one hand they cry about big government, then the next they are signing away Fannie and Freddie's responsibilities.

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[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] There's no proof indicating the original blackout came directly from Obama.

Okay and that has to do with my post exactly how? But since we're playing this game....there is no proof it didn't. I do know the Coast Guard cannot set that kind of policy themselves so it did come from someone in DC.

Hopeless mentioned Obama and it threw me off. Sorry. The credentials have not been openly discussed, at least to my knowledge. Also, standard procedure isn't ordered directly from DC.

Ah but it is when standard procedure changes mid course....
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#290 scorch-62
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So the Coast Guard decides the credentials?..Xx_Hopeless_xX
I would assume so.
Then why didn't it happen day one?LJS9502_basic
Nothing was on shore on day one.
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#291 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] There's no proof indicating the original blackout came directly from Obama.

Okay and that has to do with my post exactly how? But since we're playing this game....there is no proof it didn't. I do know the Coast Guard cannot set that kind of policy themselves so it did come from someone in DC.

Hopeless mentioned Obama and it threw me off. Sorry. .

oh sure blame it on me :(..
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Okay and that has to do with my post exactly how? But since we're playing this game....there is no proof it didn't. I do know the Coast Guard cannot set that kind of policy themselves so it did come from someone in DC.

Hopeless mentioned Obama and it threw me off. Sorry..

oh sure blame it on me :(..

I'm sorry I felt the need to look at your post first. =[
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Then why didn't it happen day one?scorch-62
Nothing was on shore on day one.

However, reporters were down there for some time reporting. That suddenly changed. I find a healthy skepticism is imperative when dealing with the government....but you can believe their press releases if you chose.

The Coast Guard will get directives from higher up as to credentials.....

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[QUOTE="scorch-62"] [QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Then why didn't it happen day one?LJS9502_basic

Nothing was on shore on day one.

However, reporters were down there for some time reporting. That suddenly changed. I find a healthy skepticism is imperative when dealing with the government....but you can believe their press releases if you chose.

The Coast Guard will get directives from higher up as to credentials.....

According to the press release they decided that nobody is allowed within 60 feet of the oil any more because they'd had so many complaints from workers doing the cleanup operation of random members of press and crew walking around in very dangerous areas and interfering with their work. I don't consider this censorship of the press by any means; 60 feet is plenty. There's no reason they need to be closer than that.

And who's to say the coast guard will get word from higher up? Thad is an admiral after all, i'm pretty sure he makes most of the calls.

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#295 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="scorch-62"] Nothing was on shore on day one.Ninja-Hippo

However, reporters were down there for some time reporting. That suddenly changed. I find a healthy skepticism is imperative when dealing with the government....but you can believe their press releases if you chose.

The Coast Guard will get directives from higher up as to credentials.....

According to the press release they decided that nobody is allowed within 60 feet of the oil any more because they'd had so many complaints from workers doing the cleanup operation of random members of press and crew walking around in very dangerous areas and interfering with their work. I don't consider this censorship of the press by any means; 60 feet is plenty. There's no reason they need to be closer than that.

Well now that comes down to which story by which side you believe.
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I think it's important that this wasn't a ban on the MEDIA at all, but a ban on PEOPLE. They don't want *anyone* within 60 feet of the oil, not just the press. I think people are trying to twist this into something it isn't like 90% of Obama criticism these days. Ninja-Hippo

I'm always suspicious of media restrictions. Arbitrary and convenient excuses like this should raise alarm for everyone. If you justify this, then you are OK'ing another President to follow suit and decree that he or she is merely following the rules.

Like I said before, would you be so flippant and callous if Bush Joint chiefs made a rule barring any journalist from the warzone for safety reasons?

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And who's to say the coast guard will get word from higher up? Thad is an admiral after all, i'm pretty sure he makes most of the calls.

Ninja-Hippo

Heads of ALL military forces answer to Washington. They don't create policy by themselves. Ever.

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#298 scorch-62
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Then why didn't it happen day one?LJS9502_basic
Nothing was on shore on day one.

However, reporters were down there for some time reporting. That suddenly changed. I find a healthy skepticism is imperative when dealing with the government....but you can believe their press releases if you chose. The Coast Guard will get directives from higher up as to credentials.....

And I will because there's no reason to believe otherwise.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"] Nothing was on shore on day one.scorch-62
However, reporters were down there for some time reporting. That suddenly changed. I find a healthy skepticism is imperative when dealing with the government....but you can believe their press releases if you chose. The Coast Guard will get directives from higher up as to credentials.....

And I will because there's no reason to believe otherwise.

Well said scorch-62.

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]I think it's important that this wasn't a ban on the MEDIA at all, but a ban on PEOPLE. They don't want *anyone* within 60 feet of the oil, not just the press. I think people are trying to twist this into something it isn't like 90% of Obama criticism these days. majwill24

I'm always suspicious of media restrictions. Arbitrary and convenient excuses like this should raise alarm for everyone. If you justify this, then you are OK'ing another President to follow suit and decree that he or she is merely following the rules.

Like I said before, would you be so flippant and callous if Bush Joint chiefs made a rule barring any journalist from the warzone for safety reasons?

Like i said, i don't think this is restriction of the media. I'm just calling as i see it to be completely honest. It makes no sense to ban the media from the area now that the oil spill isn't as bad as it once was (all of which was filmed and put on air for everyone to see), so i have no problem believing what they've said; that widespread complaints about media people getting in the way and making life hard for the cleanup workers has resulted in the coastguard deciding that nobody can go within 60feet of the oil unless you involved with the clean up. It makes reasonable sense to me, and it being a secret effort to stop the media from filming makes no sense to me. That's just the way i see it.