Obama admin. ends Keystone Pipeline plan.

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Thoughts OT? Chalk up a win for the Republicans. Now they have even more ammunition to show that Obama doesn't care about job creation.

If Canada wants to build it, then we should build it. Canada is far more to the left and environmentally conscious than us. If they think its a good thing, then what's the problem? Obama, you so silly.

If Canada wants to build it, then we should build it. Canada is far more to the left and environmentally conscious than us. If they think its a good thing, then what's the problem? Obama, you so silly.

sonicare

Well that's not good for my company. We were going to be building equipment that was going to help build that.

Thanks Obama.

This is something I will definitely take into consideration come November. I am not pleased.

From what i've read it isn't completely dead, there is a chance that a similar propsal will get the green light. I'm not personally sold that this 1700 mile pipeline would be the best solution to the untied states oil problems.

Yay, Obama for American Jobs.

A win for sustainability, a win for clean energy, a win for the environment, a win against big money interests having their way in Washington, if that's a win for Republicans then I hope they never stop winning.

Well that's not good for my company. We were going to be building equipment that was going to help build that.

Thanks Obama.

Wasdie

Do I detect a hint of entitlement in your post?

From what i've read it isn't completely dead, there is a chance that a similar propsal will get the green light. I'm not personally sold that this 1700 mile pipeline would be the best solution to the untied states oil problems.

GT90

It's not a solution to our oil problem. It's a step in the right direction, though. Better to get oil from Canada than the middle-east.

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From what i've read it isn't completely dead, there is a chance that a similar propsal will get the green light. I'm not personally sold that this 1700 mile pipeline would be the best solution to the untied states oil problems.

airshocker

It's not a solution to our oil problem. It's a step in the right direction, though. Better to get oil from Canada than the middle-east.

A win for sustainability, a win for clean energy, a win for the environment, a win against big money interests having their way in Washington, if that's a win for Republicans then I hope they never stop winning.

theone86

This is why liberals shouldn't be allowed in office. They're out of their minds.

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From what i've read it isn't completely dead, there is a chance that a similar propsal will get the green light. I'm not personally sold that this 1700 mile pipeline would be the best solution to the untied states oil problems.

airshocker

It's not a solution to our oil problem. It's a step in the right direction, though. Better to get oil from Canada than the middle-east.

The pipeline has nothing to do with us getting oil, it has to do with transporting it for refinement after which it will join the oil companies' stockpiles, same as Middle Eastern oil, and be sold back to American consumers.

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From what i've read it isn't completely dead, there is a chance that a similar propsal will get the green light. I'm not personally sold that this 1700 mile pipeline would be the best solution to the untied states oil problems.

Engrish_Major

It's not a solution to our oil problem. It's a step in the right direction, though. Better to get oil from Canada than the middle-east.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

A win for sustainability, a win for clean energy, a win for the environment, a win against big money interests having their way in Washington, if that's a win for Republicans then I hope they never stop winning.

airshocker

This is why liberals shouldn't be allowed in office. They're out of their minds.

Thanks for playing, feel free to try again anytime.

From my understanding, this was oil to be refined by US companies, but exported to other countries. Not to be sold in the US market.Engrish_Major

Who said it was going to be exported to other markets?

Thanks for playing, feel free to try again anytime.

theone86

Hey, it's not my fault you're insane.

A win for sustainability, a win for clean energy, a win for the environment, a win against big money interests having their way in Washington, if that's a win for Republicans then I hope they never stop winning.

theone86

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Thanks for playing, feel free to try again anytime.

airshocker

Hey, it's not my fault you're insane.

I never knew that insane was a synonym for well-informed, it's not even here in my thesaurus. I better have a word with Mirriam-Webster.

I never knew that insane was a synonym for well-informed, it's not even here in my thesaurus. I better have a word with Mirriam-Webster.

theone86

Considering you haven't shown anything to back up your point, well-informed doesn't really apply to you right now.

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Thanks for playing, feel free to try again anytime.

Hey, it's not my fault you're insane.

I never knew that insane was a synonym for well-informed, it's not even here in my thesaurus. I better have a word with Mirriam-Webster.

If Canada wants to build it, then we should build it. Canada is far more to the left and environmentally conscious than us. If they think its a good thing, then what's the problem? Obama, you so silly.

sonicare

No, according to the current government environmentalists are 'dangerous radicals intent on destroying the economy'

Just look at this radical, one step away from launching an environmental jihad! We all know these environmental concerns about the project are BS, and hell if there is any danger wildlife will just adapt.

See, the wildlife is fine.

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If Canada wants to build it, then we should build it. Canada is far more to the left and environmentally conscious than us. If they think its a good thing, then what's the problem? Obama, you so silly.

No, according to the current government environmentalists are 'dangerous radicals intent on destroying the economy'

Just look at this radical, one step away from launching an environmental jihad!

[QUOTE="theone86"]

A win for sustainability, a win for clean energy, a win for the environment, a win against big money interests having their way in Washington, if that's a win for Republicans then I hope they never stop winning.

ristactionjakso

It can be depending on the consequences those jobs would have, in this case destroying the environment. I'm a bit more angry at those who are outsourcing well-paying jobs that aren't destroying the environment. Mitt Romney killed more American jobs than were lost because this proposal didn't go through, and unlike stopping this proposal he killed jobs for personal profit and not because it had some other positive outcome.

If Canada wants to build it, then we should build it. Canada is far more to the left and environmentally conscious than us. If they think its a good thing, then what's the problem? Obama, you so silly.

sonicare

They're not really more environmentally conscious than us, they have one of the highest greenhouse emission rates of developed nations and are perfectly willing to put profit before environmental protection. I'd be more than willing to wager that most environmentalist groups have plenty of issues with Canadian policies.

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[QUOTE="theone86"]

A win for sustainability, a win for clean energy, a win for the environment, a win against big money interests having their way in Washington, if that's a win for Republicans then I hope they never stop winning.

theone86

It can be depending on the consequences those jobs would have, in this case destroying the environment. I'm a bit more angry at those who are outsourcing well-paying jobs that aren't destroying the environment. Mitt Romney killed more American jobs than were lost because this proposal didn't go through, and unlike stopping this proposal he killed jobs for personal profit and not because it had some other positive outcome.

You're really misinformed if you think modern construction standards destroy the environment. This isn't the 50s where slash and burn is common practice.

Modern construction practices have minimal environmental impact. We have the EPA and many other agencies that would make sure of this.

http://www.tarsandsaction.org/spread-the-word/key-facts-keystone-xl/ "Keystone XL is an export pipeline. According to presentations to investors, Gulf Coast refiners plan to refine the cheap Canadian crude supplied by the pipeline into diesel and other products for export to Europe and Latin America. Proceeds from these exports are earned tax-free. Much of the fuel refined from the pipeline's heavy crude oil will never reach U.S. drivers' tanks"Engrish_Major

http://www.tarsandsaction.org/spread-the-word/key-facts-keystone-xl/ "Keystone XL is an export pipeline. According to presentations to investors, Gulf Coast refiners plan to refine the cheap Canadian crude supplied by the pipeline into diesel and other products for export to Europe and Latin America. Proceeds from these exports are earned tax-free. Much of the fuel refined from the pipeline's heavy crude oil will never reach U.S. drivers' tanks"Engrish_Major

So it would help with our trade deficit...

ROFL I'm going to take a rational guess and assume that the massive majority of people wanted this plan to go through. This is a dumb move and will be a huge deal in the elections.

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[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]Environmentalists +1.....American Jobs 0.......I guess having no jobs is batter than having jobs...

Wasdie

It can be depending on the consequences those jobs would have, in this case destroying the environment. I'm a bit more angry at those who are outsourcing well-paying jobs that aren't destroying the environment. Mitt Romney killed more American jobs than were lost because this proposal didn't go through, and unlike stopping this proposal he killed jobs for personal profit and not because it had some other positive outcome.

You're really misinformed if you think modern construction standards destroy the environment. This isn't the 50s where slash and burn is common practice.

Modern construction practices have minimal environmental impact. We have the EPA and many other agencies that would make sure of this.

For one the EPA can be manipulated. Two, there are plenty of substantiated reports showing the environmental impact of this pipeline. It intersects many key environments and the practices used would uproot local species and destroy the ecological balance. Technology is not magic, you can't just wave a wand and make all the problems of building in a habitat disappear.

ROFL I'm going to take a rational guess and assume that the massive majority of people wanted this plan to go through. This is a dumb move and will be a huge deal in the elections.

defii9

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[QUOTE="theone86"]

A win for sustainability, a win for clean energy, a win for the environment, a win against big money interests having their way in Washington, if that's a win for Republicans then I hope they never stop winning.

theone86

It can be depending on the consequences those jobs would have, in this case destroying the environment. I'm a bit more angry at those who are outsourcing well-paying jobs that aren't destroying the environment. Mitt Romney killed more American jobs than were lost because this proposal didn't go through, and unlike stopping this proposal he killed jobs for personal profit and not because it had some other positive outcome.

I don't understand this move... on the surface it's a sound environmental choice, but China has already expressed interest in seeing an alternate pipeline if we decline. On balance, I think this needs to go through, although I agree with the administration that this time-table is about politics, and foolish.Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]I don't understand this move... on the surface it's a sound environmental choice, but China has already expressed interest in seeing an alternate pipeline if we decline. On balance, I think this needs to go through, although I agree with the administration that this time-table is about politics, and foolish.sonicare

200,000 jobs were added this pass December and the U.S. has been consistently gaining 100,000+ jobs every month all quarter. I don't want to say that this Keystone pipeline deal was good or bad, but in the grand scheme of things, job rates are improving despite losing potentially 20,000 jobs.

The only thing I can say, job wise, is that the largest employment hit was the construction industry and jobs in this sector would of provided larger long-term benefits than jobs gained in otherwise shovel-ready positions.

200,000 jobs were added this pass December and the U.S. has been consistently gaining 100,000+ jobs every month all quarter. I don't want to say that this Keystone pipeline deal was good or bad, but in the grand scheme of things, job rates are improving despite losing potentially 20,000 jobs.

The only thing I can say, job wise, is that the largest employment hit was the construction industry and jobs in this sector would of provided larger long-term benefits than jobs gained in otherwise shovel-ready positions.

Blue-Sky

The only thing those jobs do is take care of people who are just entering the market. It's not good enough, especially when real unemployment is around 16, 17%.

From the supposed fallout effect of the pipeline, I like the decesion.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]From my understanding, this was oil to be refined by US companies, but exported to other countries. Not to be sold in the US market.airshocker

Who said it was going to be exported to other markets?

Keystone pipeline was set to create only 2000-4600 temporary construction jobs for two years according to a Cornell study.

In that case, I'm glad Obama didnt give it the go.

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[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]Environmentalists +1.....American Jobs 0.......I guess having no jobs is batter than having jobs...

ristactionjakso

It can be depending on the consequences those jobs would have, in this case destroying the environment. I'm a bit more angry at those who are outsourcing well-paying jobs that aren't destroying the environment. Mitt Romney killed more American jobs than were lost because this proposal didn't go through, and unlike stopping this proposal he killed jobs for personal profit and not because it had some other positive outcome.