Obama admin. ends Keystone Pipeline plan.

TVA is looking to open up a new nuclear plant as seen in the Alabama Nuclear Reactor, Partly Built, to Be Finished article in the New York Times. I just happened to run into someone who worked there while I was on a job at the Smurfit-Stone paper mill in Stevenson, AL last year or the year before last. That does not include Georgia Power's Plant Vogtle where GP has asked permission to build two new reactors at the plant.WhiteKnight77

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]TVA is looking to open up a new nuclear plant as seen in the Alabama Nuclear Reactor, Partly Built, to Be Finished article in the New York Times. I just happened to run into someone who worked there while I was on a job at the Smurfit-Stone paper mill in Stevenson, AL last year or the year before last. That does not include Georgia Power's Plant Vogtle where GP has asked permission to build two new reactors at the plant.Person0

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]TVA is looking to open up a new nuclear plant as seen in the Alabama Nuclear Reactor, Partly Built, to Be Finished article in the New York Times. I just happened to run into someone who worked there while I was on a job at the Smurfit-Stone paper mill in Stevenson, AL last year or the year before last. That does not include Georgia Power's Plant Vogtle where GP has asked permission to build two new reactors at the plant.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Person0"] Nuclear power is safe, reliable and able to be used almost anywhere. With new designs the nuclear waste can be re-used multiple times making it very efficent. Both Wind and Solar take up very large amounts of space and are shut down either during night or when there is no wind. Almost all areas where hydroelectric power can be used in the U.S are being used so what other source is viable? Besides fossil fuel's.Person0

If it was that easy to switch we'd have already made that switch. But the logistics don't make it possible right now, if it'll ever be possible. And nuclear plants wouldn't be getting built right if the nuclear industry were being held liable for damages, because the insurance costs would be crippling. Not only that but it's hard to calculate how safe these plants actually are, because of how difficult it is to account for every possible scenario. Japan's a great example - they thought their nuclear power plants were as safe as can be, but then never accounted for a 9.0 earthquake. Black swan events happen all the time - we never know as much as we think we know, and when dealing with something as dangerous as nuclear power, when those black swan events happen they happen in a big way.

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I'm sure nuclear power is as safe and efficient as its ever been. That's not the point. The nuclear industry is not at a point where it can sustain itself without huge public investment. But not only that, but the public takes on all of the risk if on the off-chance there is an accident at the plant. The industry itself is not liable for anything. If it's as safe and reliable as the nuclear industry says it is, then why don't they have any liability if something goes wrong? I find that to be absurd - the public not only has to put in huge sums of money for these plants to even exist, but then if something goes wrong the owners of these plants aren't even held accountable for it. -Sun_Tzu-

If it was that easy to switch we'd have already made that switch. But the logistics don't make it possible right now, if it'll ever be possible. And nuclear plants wouldn't be getting built right if the nuclear industry were being held liable for damages, because the insurance costs would be crippling. Not only that but it's hard to calculate how safe these plants actually are, because of how difficult it is to account for every possible scenario. Japan's a great example - they thought their nuclear power plants were as safe as can be, but then never accounted for a 9.0 earthquake. Black swan events happen all the time - we never know as much as we think we know, and when dealing with something as dangerous as nuclear power, when those black swan events happen they happen in a big way.

Japan should be a testament to nuclear power, one of the worst earthquakes in Japan's history and a tsunami both hit a power plant from 1967. This resulted in very few deaths(fossil fuel plants kill tens of thousands of people a year). With current reactor designs this disaster would have been averted, the longer we continue to push old nuclear power plants in the U.S that still being used past their estimated lifetime only adds to the danger of a serious accident.

Time to invest in coal, folks. Should be able to generate enough greenhouses gases to keep us warm throughout winter thus saving tons of money.

Nuclear power is safe, reliable and able to be used almost anywhere. With new designs the nuclear waste can be re-used multiple times making it very efficent.Person0

I'm sure nuclear power is as safe and efficient as its ever been. That's not the point. The nuclear industry is not at a point where it can sustain itself without huge public investment. But not only that, but the public takes on all of the risk if on the off-chance there is an accident at the plant. The industry itself is not liable for anything. If it's as safe and reliable as the nuclear industry says it is, then why don't they have any liability if something goes wrong? I find that to be absurd - the public not only has to put in huge sums of money for these plants to even exist, but then if something goes wrong the owners of these plants aren't even held accountable for it. -Sun_Tzu-

We fund solar and wind energy projects. Why not fund nuclear power plants so we don't need to even bother with these wastes of space?

We fund solar and wind energy projects. Why not fund nuclear power plants so we don't need to even bother with these wastes of space?

airshocker

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We fund solar and wind energy projects. Why not fund nuclear power plants so we don't need to even bother with these wastes of space?

Planet_Pluto

In my province in Canada we have a Nuclear plant that isn't even running at full capacity. Yet, we're building wind and solar crap all over the place. My parents just moved to the country 2 years ago, now the farmer behind them wants to put up windmills. If that happens my parents will never be able to sell thier house....ever!

EDIT: And these people who think they can put wind or solar on thier property and sell it back to the grid......good god. The cost of everything you'd need to up the power to put it into the grid.

Your green thinking is making me green!

Obama poines up $25 million to create 38 jobs two days after saying no to the Keystone XL pipeline. This is definitely an "Onion" moment. The man will stop at nothing to force feed his agenda.

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"]As a Canadian all I can say is: Mr Obama you and I may not see eye to eye on many issues but you have my sincere thanks for shelving this for the time being. There's things out there more important than big oil profits. Ace6301

Yeah, like giving free advertisement to solar power companies, saying they're excellent companies yet then go bankrupt a year later. How is that even legal?

Yes, not liking that the government is doing something in which other people would be sent to jail for definitely means I'm "butthurt".

Good one. What are you, 12?

i dont think i have seen a single argument in this thread i could get behind, you either have have group A stating this is bad because of bambi or because it would be good for someone OR you have group B saying it would be good because the government could create productive jobs.

surrealnumber5

I don't think it's a matter of the government actually creating productive jobs. It's more of them letting this project happen. If the government didn't get involved, it would of already began. I don't believe the government is financing this project, although I could be wrong.

The government inhibits creation from the private sector all the time. Nothing new here.

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Yeah, like giving free advertisement to solar power companies, saying they're excellent companies yet then go bankrupt a year later. How is that even legal?

SpartanMSU

Yes, not liking that the government is doing something in which other people would be sent to jail for definitely means I'm "butthurt".

Good one. What are you, 12?

Your first mistake was engaging in a discussion with Ace.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Yeah, like giving free advertisement to solar power companies, saying they're excellent companies yet then go bankrupt a year later. How is that even legal?

SpartanMSU

Yes, not liking that the government is doing something in which other people would be sent to jail for definitely means I'm "butthurt".

Good one. What are you, 12?

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"] I don't know but your country does all kinds of stupid sh*t. On top of laughing at the governments incompetency it's fun to laugh at people like you who get so damn butthurt over little things like that.QuistisTrepe_

Yes, not liking that the government is doing something in which other people would be sent to jail for definitely means I'm "butthurt".

Good one. What are you, 12?

Your first mistake was engaging in a discussion with Ace.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]Your first mistake was engaging in a discussion with Ace.

Ace6301

Well played Ace :lol:

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"] I don't know but your country does all kinds of stupid sh*t. On top of laughing at the governments incompetency it's fun to laugh at people like you who get so damn butthurt over little things like that.Ace6301

Yes, not liking that the government is doing something in which other people would be sent to jail for definitely means I'm "butthurt".

Good one. What are you, 12?

You said" There's more important things right now than big oil profits". I guess the profits of a crappy solar power company is more important? This is assuming that all of the money gained by the companies will go straight into the personal bank account of someone. It's not like companies actualy like to use that money to expand or anything.

Regardless, it wasn't even as much a respose to you as it was just a general statement to show how hypocritical this administration as well as government in general is.

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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Yes, not liking that the government is doing something in which other people would be sent to jail for definitely means I'm "butthurt".

Good one. What are you, 12?

Ace6301

Your first mistake was engaging in a discussion with Ace.

This coming from you of all people, man.:lol:

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Your first mistake was engaging in a discussion with Ace.

QuistisTrepe_

This coming from you of all people, man.:lol:

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"] I'm usually perfectly civil if the other person has anything nearing a point or if they can actually contribute to a discussion. As such it's no wonder why you dislike me, you've never said anything approaching correct or intelligent on any of your accounts here.VanHelsingBoA64

This coming from you of all people, man.:lol:

Sounds like someone needs a dictionary.