Obama admin. ends Keystone Pipeline plan.

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Thoughts OT? Chalk up a win for the Republicans. Now they have even more ammunition to show that Obama doesn't care about job creation.

airshocker

No they do not... Romney says corporations are people. Romney kills corporations and lays off millions of people. Romney is a serial killer ad needs to be ran in the general election.

You can't please everyone

As a Canadian I am quite happy with this. Indeed, I hope that TransCanada has to wait until well after the US elections and well into 2013 before Keystone gets back on track, which it most certainly will.

In the meantime, our odds of approving Northern Gateway across Alberta and BC, so we can ship oil to China, have just increased greatly. Let me quote our federal Natural Resources Minister responding to todays' Keystone announcement:

"Our focus is, as you know, on diversifying our markets. We currently have one customer for our energy exports. That customer has said that it doesn't want to expand at the moment. So it certainly intensifies the broad strategic objective of the government to diversify to Asia."

"Moving oil to the West Coast and on by tanker to Asia is even more important," he said.

It is perfect for Canada. We will end up building both pipelines, only by the time the one to the US is approved you will have to pay more for the product. Thank you Republicans for ensuring that you transfer more wealth up to us :)

Job numbers can be hard to figure out. For instance, where I live GM is a big employer. However, those jobs lead to other jobs indirectly -> service, housing, etc. to serve the however many thousand people that GM employs. So communities grow up around those factories, etc. Not sure how this pipeline would contribute to the job market. I've heard numbers ranging from a few thousand to twenty thousand. Your guess is as good as mine.

As a Canadian all I can say is: Mr Obama you and I may not see eye to eye on many issues but you have my sincere thanks for shelving this for the time being. There's things out there more important than big oil profits. Ace6301

It was a temporary job...nothing lost here and we are saving the environment. Yay!MgamerBD

It will be so funny once you Americans belatedly realize that this will eventually cost the US several hundred $ billion.

No they do not... Romney says corporations are people. Romney kills corporations and lays off millions of people. Romney is a serial killer ad needs to be ran in the general election.

Banjo_Kongfooie

You have proof for the number of people Bain Capital laid off?

Obama laughably blames the Republicans for this. This man refuses to take responsibility for anything. Every problem that arises is always someone else's fault.:roll:

Why are we arguing over a project that would create 150,000 to 200,000 temporary jobs and probably 50 permanent jobs while substantially increasing the risks of cancer and contaminated drinking water for millions of Americans instead of thinking of ways we could create tens of millions of jobs rebuilding our country? After the millions of jobs lost during this mess that began under previous economic policies, are we really drawing battle lines and making an issue out of a project this small instead of something big enough to put a dent in the unemployment rate? This is nothing more than political bs that will have no real effect on the country except for people that work in construction, and even they would be taken care of if we started rebuilding our infrastructure. genfactor

There is nothing, short of a multi-trillion dollar stimulus focused only on infrastructure projects, that would create a "dent" in our unemployment. But that won't happen because we can't trust the government to buckle up and become fiscally responsible after the money runs out. So we have to do the small things that take time.

Go Obama! Also I realize that I should be angry about the way Obama rejected this considering I've been mad at reps for doing this ever since he set foot in office, but poetic justice is a beautiful thing. Serraph105

Go Obama! Keep stifiling industry! Keep unemployment numbers up! Keep killing jobs like this so that your poll numbers will plummet!

I imagine that this will be approved sometime in the next six months by the gentleman in the oval office.

[QUOTE="genfactor"]Why are we arguing over a project that would create 150,000 to 200,000 temporary jobs and probably 50 permanent jobs while substantially increasing the risks of cancer and contaminated drinking water for millions of Americans instead of thinking of ways we could create tens of millions of jobs rebuilding our country? After the millions of jobs lost during this mess that began under previous economic policies, are we really drawing battle lines and making an issue out of a project this small instead of something big enough to put a dent in the unemployment rate? This is nothing more than political bs that will have no real effect on the country except for people that work in construction, and even they would be taken care of if we started rebuilding our infrastructure. airshocker

There is nothing, short of a multi-trillion dollar stimulus focused only on infrastructure projects, that would create a "dent" in our unemployment. But that won't happen because we can't trust the government to buckle up and become fiscally responsible after the money runs out. So we have to do the small things that take time.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="genfactor"]Why are we arguing over a project that would create 150,000 to 200,000 temporary jobs and probably 50 permanent jobs while substantially increasing the risks of cancer and contaminated drinking water for millions of Americans instead of thinking of ways we could create tens of millions of jobs rebuilding our country? After the millions of jobs lost during this mess that began under previous economic policies, are we really drawing battle lines and making an issue out of a project this small instead of something big enough to put a dent in the unemployment rate? This is nothing more than political bs that will have no real effect on the country except for people that work in construction, and even they would be taken care of if we started rebuilding our infrastructure. Person0

There is nothing, short of a multi-trillion dollar stimulus focused only on infrastructure projects, that would create a "dent" in our unemployment. But that won't happen because we can't trust the government to buckle up and become fiscally responsible after the money runs out. So we have to do the small things that take time.

The State Department has vast experience in geology, engineering, and mining. Oh, and nice link by the way.

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="airshocker"]

There is nothing, short of a multi-trillion dollar stimulus focused only on infrastructure projects, that would create a "dent" in our unemployment. But that won't happen because we can't trust the government to buckle up and become fiscally responsible after the money runs out. So we have to do the small things that take time.

QuistisTrepe_

The State Department has vast experience in geology, engineering, and mining. Oh, and nice link by the way.

NPR

Those 100,000-200,000 estimates are coming from a person hired by Transcanada the company to build the pipeline.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] This is worthless to talk about in the context of jobs. A recent State Department study said the construction workforce would be 5,000 to 6,000 workers. And once the construction phase ends, almost all of these jobs, however many are created, would go away.Person0

The State Department has vast experience in geology, engineering, and mining. Oh, and nice link by the way.

NPR

Those 100,000-200,000 estimates are coming from a person hired by Transcanada the company to build the pipeline.

All of which is inconclusive. I guess now we'll never know.

[QUOTE="Person0"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

The State Department has vast experience in geology, engineering, and mining. Oh, and nice link by the way.QuistisTrepe_

NPR

Those 100,000-200,000 estimates are coming from a person hired by Transcanada the company to build the pipeline.

All of which is inconclusive. I guess now we'll never know.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="Person0"]

NPR

Those 100,000-200,000 estimates are coming from a person hired by Transcanada the company to build the pipeline.

Person0

All of which is inconclusive. I guess now we'll never know.

Uh, no it's not. This is some of the worst kind of piss poor logic I've stumbled across in quite some time.

[QUOTE="Person0"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

All of which is inconclusive. I guess now we'll never know.

QuistisTrepe_

Uh, no it's not. This is some of the worst kind of piss poor logic I've stumbled across in quite some time.

[QUOTE="Person0"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

All of which is inconclusive. I guess now we'll never know.

QuistisTrepe_

Uh, no it's not. This is some of the worst kind of piss poor logic I've stumbled across in quite some time.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] Trust the people with no vested interest 1 way or another(state department) or trust the company that is trying to build the pipeline (transcanada). 1 seems a little more trustworthy and realistic.

Ace6301

Uh, no it's not. This is some of the worst kind of piss poor logic I've stumbled across in quite some time.

Assuming that one side doesn't have any motives here, wow.:lol:

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Uh, no it's not. This is some of the worst kind of piss poor logic I've stumbled across in quite some time.

QuistisTrepe_

Assuming that one one side has any motives here, wow.:lol:

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]Go Obama! Also I realize that I should be angry about the way Obama rejected this considering I've been mad at reps for doing this ever since he set foot in office, but poetic justice is a beautiful thing. QuistisTrepe_

Go Obama! Keep stifiling industry! Keep unemployment numbers up! Keep killing jobs like this so that your poll numbers will plummet!

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Uh, no it's not. This is some of the worst kind of piss poor logic I've stumbled across in quite some time.

QuistisTrepe_

Assuming that one one side has any motives here, wow.:lol:

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]Go Obama! Also I realize that I should be angry about the way Obama rejected this considering I've been mad at reps for doing this ever since he set foot in office, but poetic justice is a beautiful thing. Serraph105

Go Obama! Keep stifiling industry! Keep unemployment numbers up! Keep killing jobs like this so that your poll numbers will plummet!

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]Go Obama! Also I realize that I should be angry about the way Obama rejected this considering I've been mad at reps for doing this ever since he set foot in office, but poetic justice is a beautiful thing. Serraph105

Go Obama! Keep stifiling industry! Keep unemployment numbers up! Keep killing jobs like this so that your poll numbers will plummet!

I know exactly what this is about. He's shoring up his base in an election year. This move is entirely selfish.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] If it's piss poor logic to you does that mean it's actually very sound logic? majoras_wrath

Assuming that one one side has any motives here, wow.:lol:

I was taking him to task on his premise, that was all. Also, I have no tolerance for NPR navel-gazers who genuinely believe that publicly-funded news is somehow sanitized and beyond reproach.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Go Obama! Keep stifiling industry! Keep unemployment numbers up! Keep killing jobs like this so that your poll numbers will plummet!

majoras_wrath

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Assuming that one one side has any motives here, wow.:lol:

QuistisTrepe_

I was taking him to task on his premise, that was all. Also, I have no tolerance for NPR navel-gazers who genuinely believe that publicly-funded news is somehow sanitized and beyond reproach.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="Serraph105"] You do realize that Obama essentially sided with his own party on this right? I doubt he's overly worried about blow back from the side that likes to hate him every day.Serraph105

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] The pipeline actually was fairly well-supported on both sides. I could post a poltifact article on that if you wish.majoras_wrath

And Gas prices will now continue to rise without anything to combat it.bbkkristian

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Thoughts OT? Chalk up a win for the Republicans. Now they have even more ammunition to show that Obama doesn't care about job creation.

airshocker

Sorry but its going to take more then one decision to prove this when Obama has been increasingly pro energy through out his presidency..

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] So you solely pick on his poor choice of wording, rather then addressing the important point? Would it be better if he said the state department has less vested interests then the company? Because of f*cking course the company is going to say it will make a ton of jobs.majoras_wrath

I was taking him to task on his premise, that was all. Also, I have no tolerance for NPR navel-gazers who genuinely believe that publicly-funded news is somehow sanitized and beyond reproach.

Yes, I'm aware no one said that genius. It's the fact that he cited NPR period is the problem.

And Gas prices will now continue to rise without anything to combat it.bbkkristian

Our gas prices have literally risen and fallen for years now based upon a market of speculation rather then something tangible.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="Serraph105"] I actually wouldn't mind seeing that. I was looking for it just now, but after 5 pages or so I couldn't find anything about the keystone pipeline.Serraph105

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]And Gas prices will now continue to rise without anything to combat it.sSubZerOo

Our gas prices have literally risen and fallen for years now based upon a market of speculation rather then something tangible.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]And Gas prices will now continue to rise without anything to combat it.sSubZerOo

Our gas prices have literally risen and fallen for years now based upon a market of speculation rather then something tangible.

Which is why I'm not exactly worried by this.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

I was taking him to task on his premise, that was all. Also, I have no tolerance for NPR navel-gazers who genuinely believe that publicly-funded news is somehow sanitized and beyond reproach.

QuistisTrepe_

Yes, I'm aware no one said that genius. It's the fact that he cited NPR period is the problem.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

I was taking him to task on his premise, that was all. Also, I have no tolerance for NPR navel-gazers who genuinely believe that publicly-funded news is somehow sanitized and beyond reproach.

QuistisTrepe_

Yes, I'm aware no one said that genius. It's the fact that he cited NPR period is the problem.