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#151 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]The biggest part of this is the age we live in... -if the media coverage had always been as it is now, then you could say the same thing about numerous presidents in the past (ones already named in this thread) -the media used to respect the position, and public opinion is shaped by media coverage Besides, Bush got just as much hate (and still does)QuistisTrepe_

Still think Bush deserved it. Waging an illegal war, authorizing interrogation techniques that violate international law, spearheading legislation that violates our civil liberties, expanding the power of the executive office without the proper authority to do so, leaving the economy in tatters, yeah there's no reason whatsoever anyone would dislike him. Oh, and here's the most telling sign, everything that everyone is up in arms at Obama for doing, expanding the scope of the federal government, spending federal money without finding a way to pay for it, increasing the national debt, expanding government run health care, yeah Bush did all of that, guess it's not a problem when an old white guy does it though.

How much of that was actually Bush's fault. It was actually Bush and McCain that tried to do something about more oversight over FannieMae and FreddieMac, FYI. But why let reality get in the way of one's irrational rantings?

An illegal war, so then Obama is just as much of a criminal then for escalating Afghanistan and for encroaching into Pakistan. Was Pakistan an imminent threat?

Expanding the powers of the executive office, well now, did the news of the PATRIOT act getting renewed twice with Democrats controlling the White House and both houses of Congress get by you? Ever heard of ACTA, the treaty that the Obama administration has negotiated in secret?

Again, why let facts and reality get in the way of a good partisan rant?

Hmmm...interesting post I agree that the lack of oversight can be traced to pre-bush Though I am not one to argue the legality of any war. And (almost) everyone was all on board everything after 9/11
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#152 LJS9502_basic
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And (almost) everyone was all on board everything after 9/11rawsavon
I was not.....

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#153 QuistisTrepe_
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[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Still think Bush deserved it. Waging an illegal war, authorizing interrogation techniques that violate international law, spearheading legislation that violates our civil liberties, expanding the power of the executive office without the proper authority to do so, leaving the economy in tatters, yeah there's no reason whatsoever anyone would dislike him. Oh, and here's the most telling sign, everything that everyone is up in arms at Obama for doing, expanding the scope of the federal government, spending federal money without finding a way to pay for it, increasing the national debt, expanding government run health care, yeah Bush did all of that, guess it's not a problem when an old white guy does it though.

rawsavon

How much of that was actually Bush's fault. It was actually Bush and McCain that tried to do something about more oversight over FannieMae and FreddieMac, FYI. But why let reality get in the way of one's irrational rantings?

An illegal war, so then Obama is just as much of a criminal then for escalating Afghanistan and for encroaching into Pakistan. Was Pakistan an imminent threat?

Expanding the powers of the executive office, well now, did the news of the PATRIOT act getting renewed twice with Democrats controlling the White House and both houses of Congress get by you? Ever heard of ACTA, the treaty that the Obama administration has negotiated in secret?

Again, why let facts and reality get in the way of a good partisan rant?

Hmmm...interesting post I agree that the lack of oversight can be traced to pre-bush Though I am not one to argue the legality of any war. And (almost) everyone was all on board everything after 9/11

He likely ripped this debunked nonsense from MoveOn.org or from Code Pink. I'm all for a good discussion, but I haven't any patience for rambling, partisan nonsense.

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#154 topgunmv
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No, he's not. Do some research and take a look at the things politicians and presidential candidates have said about each other before there was television and radio.

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#155 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"] And (almost) everyone was all on board everything after 9/11LJS9502_basic

I was not.....

Good thing you did not say that then (too loudly) you would have been deported, or worse :P
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#156 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

How much of that was actually Bush's fault. It was actually Bush and McCain that tried to do something about more oversight over FannieMae and FreddieMac, FYI. But why let reality get in the way of one's irrational rantings?

An illegal war, so then Obama is just as much of a criminal then for escalating Afghanistan and for encroaching into Pakistan. Was Pakistan an imminent threat?

Expanding the powers of the executive office, well now, did the news of the PATRIOT act getting renewed twice with Democrats controlling the White House and both houses of Congress get by you? Ever heard of ACTA, the treaty that the Obama administration has negotiated in secret?

Again, why let facts and reality get in the way of a good partisan rant?

QuistisTrepe_

Hmmm...interesting post I agree that the lack of oversight can be traced to pre-bush Though I am not one to argue the legality of any war. And (almost) everyone was all on board everything after 9/11

He likely ripped this debunked nonsense from MoveOn.org or from Code Pink. I'm all for a good discussion, but I haven't any patience for rambling, partisan nonsense.

I don't like either party (no allegiance) -I am just a realist with the modern state of public opinion and media coverage
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#157 QuistisTrepe_
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] And (almost) everyone was all on board everything after 9/11rawsavon

I was not.....

Good thing you did not say that then (too loudly) you would have been deported, or worse :P

"Only a Sith believes in absolutes."

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#158 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I was not.....

QuistisTrepe_

Good thing you did not say that then (too loudly) you would have been deported, or worse :P

"Only a Sith believes in absolutes."

Now I am conflicted :lol: I like the sith a hell of a lot more than the Jedi...though most other users would probably classify me as being from the darkside anyways, so I guess it is appropriate
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#159 QuistisTrepe_
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[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Good thing you did not say that then (too loudly) you would have been deported, or worse :Prawsavon

"Only a Sith believes in absolutes."

Now I am conflicted :lol: I like the sith a hell of a lot more than the Jedi...though most other users would probably classify me as being from the darkside anyways, so I guess it is appropriate

Texans would normally classify a Texas Tech alum as a darksider.:P

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#161 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

"Only a Sith believes in absolutes."

QuistisTrepe_

Now I am conflicted :lol: I like the sith a hell of a lot more than the Jedi...though most other users would probably classify me as being from the darkside anyways, so I guess it is appropriate

Texans would normally classify a Texas Tech alum as a darksider.:P

We would gladly take that moniker Hell, look at my avi...I am a dead pirate Where does your allegiance fall?
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#162 QuistisTrepe_
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[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Now I am conflicted :lol: I like the sith a hell of a lot more than the Jedi...though most other users would probably classify me as being from the darkside anyways, so I guess it is appropriaterawsavon

Texans would normally classify a Texas Tech alum as a darksider.:P

We would gladly take that moniker Hell, look at my avi...I am a dead pirate Where does your allegiance fall?

Religious hypocrisy and shameless elitism since 1845.

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#163 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Texans would normally classify a Texas Tech alum as a darksider.:P

QuistisTrepe_

We would gladly take that moniker Hell, look at my avi...I am a dead pirate Where does your allegiance fall?

Religious hypocrisy and shameless elitism since 1845.

My sister just graduated from there.
-she fit right in (which was weird, seeing as how poor we are)|
-but she really liked it...though it would not have been for me

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#164 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Every president will be more scrutinized than the one before... -just the way we are headed (media coverage) You forget that Bush had a rallying cry on his side (9/11) Obama does notwstfld

Yeah, And Obama is half white, you can't use the Racism argument.

I didn't see that in the Official Racism Rulebook. What page?

"Racism is the belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race." You can't be part of the Race you are racist against :/
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#165 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Every president will be more scrutinized than the one before... -just the way we are headed (media coverage) You forget that Bush had a rallying cry on his side (9/11) Obama does notSerraph105

Yeah, And Obama is half white, you can't use the Racism argument.

do you even get how racism works? People of the same race can even be racist towards each other.

Not by the definition of Racism they can't.
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#166 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="wstfld"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Yeah, And Obama is half white, you can't use the Racism argument. Snipes_2

I didn't see that in the Official Racism Rulebook. What page?

"Racism is the belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race." You can't be part of the Race you are racist against :/

Actually you can.....there are people who hate their race.
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="wstfld"]

I didn't see that in the Official Racism Rulebook. What page?

LJS9502_basic

"Racism is the belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race." You can't be part of the Race you are racist against :/

Actually you can.....there are people who hate their race.

They're called liberals. :P

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#168 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="wstfld"]

I didn't see that in the Official Racism Rulebook. What page?

LJS9502_basic

"Racism is the belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race." You can't be part of the Race you are racist against :/

Actually you can.....there are people who hate their race.

Yeah, but by the definition of racism you believe that racial differences produce an inherent superiority or inferiority.

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#169 VendettaRed07
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Obama isn't even close to America's most disrespected President honestly.Danm_999

yeah lol... Bush and Nixon all the way. Its not even close to how much they were hated.

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#170 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] "Racism is the belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race." You can't be part of the Race you are racist against :/Snipes_2

Actually you can.....there are people who hate their race.

Yeah, but by the definition of racism you believe that racial differences produce an inherent superiority or inferiority.

Uh huh...and one can believe that of their own race...
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#171 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Actually you can.....there are people who hate their race.LJS9502_basic

Yeah, but by the definition of racism you believe that racial differences produce an inherent superiority or inferiority.

Uh huh...and one can believe that of their own race...

Wait, You can believe that your race has racial differences from you? I guess people can believe anything. I don't think this is the case for Obama though.

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#172 Mousetaches
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] "Racism is the belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race." You can't be part of the Race you are racist against :/Snipes_2

Actually you can.....there are people who hate their race.

Yeah, but by the definition of racism you believe that racial differences produce an inherent superiority or inferiority.

It doesn't say whether your race is the superior one. Look at Hitler who probably had a Jewish grandfather, but was racist against Jews, who he defined in the Nuremburg Laws as anyone having a Jewish grandparent. Very rarely are racists rational.
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#173 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Yeah, but by the definition of racism you believe that racial differences produce an inherent superiority or inferiority.

Snipes_2

Uh huh...and one can believe that of their own race...

Wait, You can believe that your race has racial differences from you? I guess people can believe anything. I don't think this is the case for Obama though.

Racial differences that make one inferior or superior....not different from the individual.
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#175 MrHogknuckles
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I'm glad to see democracy is alive and well. It's your right to speak your mind just as it's every americans. You have the right to dislike thier opinion and vise versa. That's what makes AMERICA soooo great a nation. So go ahead and whine, you have a right to a mediatized opinion as all americans do. Too bad more americans can't think for themselves though. Like the saying goes: "You can lead a tard to a library but you can't make him think."

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[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

[QUOTE="Shattered007"]

So, apparently Obama is an Evil illegal alien anti-Christ being Marxist Muslim that pows around with terrorist that's racist towards whites and wants' to destroy America... That was before his inauguration.

Now he's a Communist being socialist Hitler that wants' to destroy America's economy through Socialized health-care and weaken the countries defense with his nuclear weapons intuitive,that's had a terrorist attack on American soil already and allowed national unemployment to climb to its highest in 30 years, radical idiot.

What's up with this crazy amount of hated towards our current president?

Shattered007

Why is he the most disrespected President? Because he shows WEAKNESS everywhere his loud mouth goes! He's taking away our defenses and our freedoms! What is it showing? I wouldn't give that guy any respect either. :roll:

When you come back with a valid response, I'll be happy to engage you, til then I'd ask that you educate yourself about political policies, the constitution and what ever else you are ranting about.

He better not. We need him like that, so that the natural dynamics of things change at the right time. You don't want such gene educated in politics

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#177 MrHogknuckles
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Hatred is a feeling just like love is, it's a natural felling. The media tells us we should not hate, but learn to get along instead. I'm sure Lucifer would have told God that also, back in the day. When God hated what the people in Sadom & Gamora were doing he destroyed the cities. He didn't just say to himself, I should just let them do as they will. We are made in Gods image so it's ok to hate what is wrong, especially if it affects our society in a bad way. If getting along means keeping your mouth shut while someone isdestroying our nation then someone is pedaling the wrong scripture.The media will never tell you this because they have an agenda that isn't of christian values. They've made upthier own bible that suits themselves and the power elite they protect.

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#178 nintendofreak_2
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Bush Jr., Nixon, Lyndon Johnson, and Andrew Johnson were all hated pretty well too. Obama is taking a lot more criticism than he deserves (maybe) but since Health Care passed, he's been doing quite a lot that's good for the country, aside from cancelling the Constellation Project (I think that's what it's called).

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Truman had the lowest approval rates of all time.
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#180 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Uh huh...and one can believe that of their own race...STurn21

Wait, You can believe that your race has racial differences from you? I guess people can believe anything. I don't think this is the case for Obama though.

I think you need to reread the definition you posted....

You can't just throw words into it after you already quoted it.

What words did I "Throw in"?
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#181 Rockman999
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[QUOTE="WestSideAzn"]He's okay... I still don't see change that he promised.... Acemaster27
Well he did pass some health care reform that Dems have been trying to get through for 40 years now. So that's definitely change.

I gave you an internets. :)
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#182 Rockman999
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[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"][QUOTE="Apostle92627"] And Obama doesn't? WTF?!Apostle92627

how does he deserve it?

Let's see, ObamaCare and damaging relations with Israel come to mind. There are other things he did I don't agree with.

Screw Israel, they're a big part of the reason why our country gets targeted by extremist terrorists.
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#183 narlymech
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Admired by some, hated by others. Liberals rally to his side alot quicker than conservatives rallied to Bush's side. Overall I'd say Bush was more disrespected. Even Bush's aparant supporters (Hannity, Limbaush, O'rielly) all often say "I was no huge Bush supporter". Have you ever heard a liberal even say that about Obama?