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If the White House has its way, America could soon reduce its nuclear arsenal dramatically, possibly even to the point where it would possess fewer atomic bombs than congressmen. And though Republicans on the Hill are already complaining that the plans are "reckless lunacy," the administration appears to have plenty of military thinkers on its side.

According to a report this week from the Associated Press, President Obama is considering three proposals by the Pentagon to cut the number of deployed nukes. The biggest proposal would reduce America's active stockpile to just 300 to 400 warheads—fewer than the US has had since the earliest days of the Cold War. Since the dawn of the nuclear age, the US has reportedly built close to 70,000 atomic bombs. The recent New START treaty with Russia requires both countries to cut their deployed warheads to 1,550, so these new reduction plans would be dramatic, indeed.

Any real movement on this front may not come until 2013; follow-up reporting by theWashington Postsuggested that the White House won't make a change until it resumes negotiations with the Russians, which is likely only to come after presidential elections take place in both countries this year. But the fact that plans are brewing for a major arsenal reduction is itself significant, and it signals where Obama may really be headed on nuclear strategy if elected to a second term.

The DOD's top dogsspent much of their time in Congress on Wednesdaystressing that all options are still on the table, including maintaining the current number of nukes. Even so, Republicans pounced on the proposed reductions. "I just want to go on record as saying that there are many of us that are going to do everything we possibly can to make sure that this preposterous notion does not gain any real traction," Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.)declaredin a House Armed Services Committee Hearing. (He was the one who deemed the plan "reckless lunacy.") Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.), a powerful advocate for nuclear forces,ridiculed the planas a cynical re-election ploy by Obama. (Catering to public opinion on spending reductions—imagine that.)

As I've reported before, many conservative politicians, and some moderate and progressive ones, have historically considered America's nuclear arsenal to be sacrosanct. After all, it's backed by a robust and expensive weapons complex that keeps legions of contractors in business. But away from Capitol Hill, American academics and military officers are getting beyond the sound bites and provincial interests, and asking the impolitic question: In the post-Soviet age can the US do as much—or more—with fewer nukes? The answer seems to be:Yes, we can.

On the eve of the New START signing in 2010, three Air Force researchers argued in a military journal that the US should tweak its nuclear strategy to focus on "proportional deterrence"—the idea that America doesn't need to annihilate its enemies out of existence, but instead just needs enough firepower to threaten an enemy's most valuable targets. It's straight out of Clausewitz: You can win merely by taking away the adversary's will to fight—like that moment at the end ofWar Games, when the self-aware missile-launching computer realizes that global thermonuclear war is as futile as tic-tac-toe: "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play." MotherJones

tl:dr - Pentagon proposes to cut down nukes. Obama is considering cutting it down dramatically to pre-Cold War levels. Republicans don't like it and are pissed. Military strategists approve and support Obama's potential decision. None of this will happen regardless until most likely after 2012 re-elections.

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Well how many nukes do you really need? One Nuke is threatening enough. 70,000 is just a stupid amount of nukes.
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Well how many nukes do you really need? One Nuke is threatening enough. 70,000 is just a stupid amount of nukes.DeX2010
You don't understand anything about nuclear warfare do you? When a country shoots a nuke, the victim country (assuming they have them) sends a nuke back to shoot that nuke down. So yeah, its a fight to see who has the most nukes at the right time. US and Russia have a sh!t ton of nukes, so yeah.
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[QUOTE="DeX2010"] Well how many nukes do you really need? One Nuke is threatening enough. 70,000 is just a stupid amount of nukes.kris9031998
You don't understand anything about nuclear warfare do you? When a country shoots a nuke, the victim country (assuming they have them) sends a nuke back to shoot that nuke down. So yeah, its a fight to see who has the most nukes at the right time. US and Russia have a sh!t ton of nukes, so yeah.

Ehh, no. You don't shoot down nukes with nukes. That's absurd.
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[QUOTE="kris9031998"][QUOTE="DeX2010"] Well how many nukes do you really need? One Nuke is threatening enough. 70,000 is just a stupid amount of nukes.Am_Confucius
You don't understand anything about nuclear warfare do you? When a country shoots a nuke, the victim country (assuming they have them) sends a nuke back to shoot that nuke down. So yeah, its a fight to see who has the most nukes at the right time. US and Russia have a sh!t ton of nukes, so yeah.

Ehh, no. You don't shoot down nukes with nukes. That's absurd.

No, but that would be f***ing awesome.
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[QUOTE="DeX2010"] Well how many nukes do you really need? One Nuke is threatening enough. 70,000 is just a stupid amount of nukes.kris9031998
You don't understand anything about nuclear warfare do you? When a country shoots a nuke, the victim country (assuming they have them) sends a nuke back to shoot that nuke down. So yeah, its a fight to see who has the most nukes at the right time. US and Russia have a sh!t ton of nukes, so yeah.

The concept is mutually assured destruction, not mutually assured nullification.
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[QUOTE="kris9031998"][QUOTE="DeX2010"] Well how many nukes do you really need? One Nuke is threatening enough. 70,000 is just a stupid amount of nukes.Am_Confucius
You don't understand anything about nuclear warfare do you? When a country shoots a nuke, the victim country (assuming they have them) sends a nuke back to shoot that nuke down. So yeah, its a fight to see who has the most nukes at the right time. US and Russia have a sh!t ton of nukes, so yeah.

Ehh, no. You don't shoot down nukes with nukes. That's absurd.

My mistake, i got mixed up with missiles. But point still stands, once one country runs out of nukes and the other is still fully loaded, they're screwed.
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[QUOTE="kris9031998"][QUOTE="Am_Confucius"][QUOTE="kris9031998"] You don't understand anything about nuclear warfare do you? When a country shoots a nuke, the victim country (assuming they have them) sends a nuke back to shoot that nuke down. So yeah, its a fight to see who has the most nukes at the right time. US and Russia have a sh!t ton of nukes, so yeah.

Ehh, no. You don't shoot down nukes with nukes. That's absurd.

My mistake, i got mixed up with missiles. But point still stands, once one country runs out of nukes and the other is still fully loaded, they're screwed.

So you can justify 70,000 nukes? Mutually assured destruction was cold war, we don't live in that world anymore.
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[QUOTE="DeX2010"][QUOTE="kris9031998"][QUOTE="Am_Confucius"] Ehh, no. You don't shoot down nukes with nukes. That's absurd.

My mistake, i got mixed up with missiles. But point still stands, once one country runs out of nukes and the other is still fully loaded, they're screwed.

So you can justify 70,000 nukes? Mutually assured destruction was cold war, we don't live in that world anymore.

No, but we definitely still need a lot. Not now, but if we were in a new world war with russia, all hell would break loose. Nukes flying everywhere, and when that moment comes when we run out of nukes and Russia just has that one more, we're all dead.
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[QUOTE="Am_Confucius"][QUOTE="kris9031998"] You don't understand anything about nuclear warfare do you? When a country shoots a nuke, the victim country (assuming they have them) sends a nuke back to shoot that nuke down. So yeah, its a fight to see who has the most nukes at the right time. US and Russia have a sh!t ton of nukes, so yeah. kris9031998
Ehh, no. You don't shoot down nukes with nukes. That's absurd.

My mistake, i got mixed up with missiles. But point still stands, once one country runs out of nukes and the other is still fully loaded, they're screwed.

anti-missle technology isnt very effective agaist modern missles, which have a lot of deterents. Shooting down missles at a reliable level from a country with sophisticated technology is pretty much impossible.

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[QUOTE="DeX2010"][QUOTE="kris9031998"] My mistake, i got mixed up with missiles. But point still stands, once one country runs out of nukes and the other is still fully loaded, they're screwed.kris9031998
So you can justify 70,000 nukes? Mutually assured destruction was cold war, we don't live in that world anymore.

No, but we definitely still need a lot. Not now, but if we were in a new world war with russia, all hell would break loose. Nukes flying everywhere, and when that moment comes when we run out of nukes and Russia just has that one more, we're all dead.

Dude, one nuke is big enough to take out an entire metropolitan city and more. 70,000? You could irradiate the entire world. If we ever get to the point where we need a stockpile of nukes to fight a war then we are royally f*cked with a pinecone-shaped d!ldo. Nukes today basically exist so no one will use them out of fear of the enemy using theirs, if anyone is ever stupid enough to actually use a nuke then it's just going to turn into retaliation, and I don't think any country is determined enough to start losing multiple cities at the drop of a hat.

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What's this supposed to accomplish?

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[QUOTE="kris9031998"][QUOTE="DeX2010"] So you can justify 70,000 nukes? Mutually assured destruction was cold war, we don't live in that world anymore. theone86

No, but we definitely still need a lot. Not now, but if we were in a new world war with russia, all hell would break loose. Nukes flying everywhere, and when that moment comes when we run out of nukes and Russia just has that one more, we're all dead.

Dude, one nuke is big enough to take out an entire metropolitan city and more. 70,000? You could irradiate the entire world. If we ever get to the point where we need a stockpile of nukes to fight a war then we are royally f*cked with a pinecone-shaped d!ldo. Nukes today basically exist so no one will use them out of fear of the enemy using theirs, if anyone is ever stupid enough to actually use a nuke then it's just going to turn into retaliation, and I don't think any country is determined enough to start losing multiple cities at the drop of a hat.

Er, i just said no. It isnt worth 70k, but you would still need a lot regardless. At least a few thousands, nothing into the tens of thousands.
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="kris9031998"] No, but we definitely still need a lot. Not now, but if we were in a new world war with russia, all hell would break loose. Nukes flying everywhere, and when that moment comes when we run out of nukes and Russia just has that one more, we're all dead.kris9031998

Dude, one nuke is big enough to take out an entire metropolitan city and more. 70,000? You could irradiate the entire world. If we ever get to the point where we need a stockpile of nukes to fight a war then we are royally f*cked with a pinecone-shaped d!ldo. Nukes today basically exist so no one will use them out of fear of the enemy using theirs, if anyone is ever stupid enough to actually use a nuke then it's just going to turn into retaliation, and I don't think any country is determined enough to start losing multiple cities at the drop of a hat.

Er, i just said no. It isnt worth 70k, but you would still need a lot regardless. At least a few thousands, nothing into the tens of thousands.

Why do we even need nukes when we have people who can kill a man with their thumb?

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What's this supposed to accomplish?

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Saving much money, for one.
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If we were to go into another major war where MAD was a threat, it would most likely just be a scare tatic such during the Cold War. No country is going to allow the death of there enemy for the cost of the world, unless ya know, Zombie Stalin.

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[QUOTE="kris9031998"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Dude, one nuke is big enough to take out an entire metropolitan city and more. 70,000? You could irradiate the entire world. If we ever get to the point where we need a stockpile of nukes to fight a war then we are royally f*cked with a pinecone-shaped d!ldo. Nukes today basically exist so no one will use them out of fear of the enemy using theirs, if anyone is ever stupid enough to actually use a nuke then it's just going to turn into retaliation, and I don't think any country is determined enough to start losing multiple cities at the drop of a hat.

theone86

Er, i just said no. It isnt worth 70k, but you would still need a lot regardless. At least a few thousands, nothing into the tens of thousands.

Why do we even need nukes when we have people who can kill a man with their thumb?

Theres only so much of me we can throw around....
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Saving much money, for one.

Engrish_Major

But the nukes are already there.

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

Saving much money, for one.

Necrifer

But the nukes are already there.

They cost much money to maintian and staff.
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

Saving much money, for one.

Necrifer

But the nukes are already there.

They can sell them for a profit, I hear loads of countries want them.

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They cost much money to maintian and staff.

Engrish_Major

Okay, then.

Sooo...what's going to happen to the nukes?

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A few old, cold-war era republicans spoke out against it. I wouldn't say it's all republicans.

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

They cost much money to maintian and staff.

Necrifer

Okay, then.

Sooo...what's going to happen to the nukes?

They get taken apart and their pieces get stored in larger facilities. This is far cheaper. Also they can be rebuilt if need.

There is no real point to having more than a couple dozen active nukes. If the defense department needs to reduce spending, that's a good place to start. We are already down to like under 15k. We've built 70,000 over the past 70 years but we don't have that many active. We don't need anything over 200.

Russia and the USA have been gradually de-arming themselves since the end of the cold war. Nukes are expensive.

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Good. I just hope the U.S. can follow proper disposal procedures.

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[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

They cost much money to maintian and staff.

Wasdie

Okay, then.

Sooo...what's going to happen to the nukes?

They get taken apart and their pieces get stored in larger facilities. This is far cheaper. Also they can be rebuilt if need.

There is no real point to having more than a couple dozen active nukes. If the defense department needs to reduce spending, that's a good place to start. We are already down to 1600. We don't need anything over 200.

Fo sho. From this article on the same website that the TC linked to: "For instance, the Navy argues that it needs a total of 12 nuclear-missile submarines just to be able to keep five in the water at all times, ready to launch their missiles. The extra seven come at an added cost of $350 billion. "Why would the Navy have to keep five of these new subs (two in the Atlantic and three in the Pacific), each with 16 missiles carrying up to eight nuclear warheads apiece, at sea ready to fire? Because the current nuclear policy guidance says it must," Cirincione points out. Current US nuclear strategy states that American forces must be able to deliver at least 1,000 atomic warheads against multiple targets within 20 minutes of a launch order. If Obama simply eased back on the numbers of this requirement, the sub force could remain at eight, and the president could save the nation $120 billion. Delaying orders on a new bomber could save $68 billion more, and slowing down the replacement of nuclear missiles could save untold billions."
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Good. I just hope the U.S. can follow proper disposal procedures.

THE_DRUGGIE

We don't dispose them. We store the materials in case they get rebuilt. You can't just dispose the enriched uranium. If that falls into the wrong hands you can build a nuke pretty easily.

Good thing that the government tracks all nuclear material used for our WMDs down to like the thousanth of a gram. Russia on the other hand just throws it all in the back, fences it in and puts a big sign saying "DO NOT STEAL" on it.

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Less nukes is probably a good thing.

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Good. I just hope the U.S. can follow proper disposal procedures.

We don't dispose them. We store the materials in case they get rebuilt. You can't just dispose the enriched uranium. If that falls into the wrong hands you can build a nuke pretty easily.

Good thing that the government tracks all nuclear material used for our WMDs down to like the thousanth of a gram. Russia on the other hand just throws it all in the back, fences it in and puts a big sign saying "DO NOT STEAL" on it.

The honor system.
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

Okay, then.

Sooo...what's going to happen to the nukes?

Engrish_Major

They get taken apart and their pieces get stored in larger facilities. This is far cheaper. Also they can be rebuilt if need.

There is no real point to having more than a couple dozen active nukes. If the defense department needs to reduce spending, that's a good place to start. We are already down to 1600. We don't need anything over 200.

Fo sho. From this article on the same website that the TC linked to: "For instance, the Navy argues that it needs a total of 12 nuclear-missile submarines just to be able to keep five in the water at all times, ready to launch their missiles. The extra seven come at an added cost of $350 billion. "Why would the Navy have to keep five of these new subs (two in the Atlantic and three in the Pacific), each with 16 missiles carrying up to eight nuclear warheads apiece, at sea ready to fire? Because the current nuclear policy guidance says it must," Cirincione points out. Current US nuclear strategy states that American forces must be able to deliver at least 1,000 atomic warheads against multiple targets within 20 minutes of a launch order. If Obama simply eased back on the numbers of this requirement, the sub force could remain at eight, and the president could save the nation $120 billion. Delaying orders on a new bomber could save $68 billion more, and slowing down the replacement of nuclear missiles could save untold billions."

A lot of our policies stem from the cold war. We don't need the weapons and the delivery methods that we used to need. Now, we can fire a missile from Nebraska and put it within 3 feet of a target anywhere in the world.

Though I can understand the older generaitons feelings about this. For their entire lives they live in an arms race. They believe to deter the enemy from aggression you need more than them. This is why you're going to see a lot of opposition from the older republicans. That's just how they were raised.

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They get taken apart and their pieces get stored in larger facilities. This is far cheaper. Also they can be rebuilt if need.

Wasdie

Won't that cost a lot of money?

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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Good. I just hope the U.S. can follow proper disposal procedures.

Wasdie

We don't dispose them. We store the materials in case they get rebuilt. You can't just dispose the enriched uranium. If that falls into the wrong hands you can build a nuke pretty easily.

Good thing that the government tracks all nuclear material used for our WMDs down to like the thousanth of a gram. Russia on the other hand just throws it all in the back, fences it in and puts a big sign saying "DO NOT STEAL" on it.

Luckily their next-door neighbors are a bunch of horse-riding shepherds who wouldn't know what to do with it.

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[QUOTE="DeX2010"] Well how many nukes do you really need? One Nuke is threatening enough. 70,000 is just a stupid amount of nukes.kris9031998
You don't understand anything about nuclear warfare do you? When a country shoots a nuke, the victim country (assuming they have them) sends a nuke back to shoot that nuke down. So yeah, its a fight to see who has the most nukes at the right time. US and Russia have a sh!t ton of nukes, so yeah.

You seem to be an expert in nuclear warfare. Please enlighten us.

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[QUOTE="DeX2010"][QUOTE="kris9031998"] My mistake, i got mixed up with missiles. But point still stands, once one country runs out of nukes and the other is still fully loaded, they're screwed.kris9031998
So you can justify 70,000 nukes? Mutually assured destruction was cold war, we don't live in that world anymore.

No, but we definitely still need a lot. Not now, but if we were in a new world war with russia, all hell would break loose. Nukes flying everywhere, and when that moment comes when we run out of nukes and Russia just has that one more, we're all dead.

Son, after a few nukes to the right places the country is pretty much dead, you don't need 70000. Or maybe you think nukes are dropped in remote unpopulated areas?

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Good. I just hope the U.S. can follow proper disposal procedures.

sonicare

We don't dispose them. We store the materials in case they get rebuilt. You can't just dispose the enriched uranium. If that falls into the wrong hands you can build a nuke pretty easily.

Good thing that the government tracks all nuclear material used for our WMDs down to like the thousanth of a gram. Russia on the other hand just throws it all in the back, fences it in and puts a big sign saying "DO NOT STEAL" on it.

The honor system.

Well when I said "disposal" I meant breaking down the nukes with care.

Also, please stop quoting Wasdie, it kind of depreciates the fact that I'm adblocking him.

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#35 Bikouchu35
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[QUOTE="DeX2010"] Well how many nukes do you really need? One Nuke is threatening enough. 70,000 is just a stupid amount of nukes.kris9031998
You don't understand anything about nuclear warfare do you? When a country shoots a nuke, the victim country (assuming they have them) sends a nuke back to shoot that nuke down. So yeah, its a fight to see who has the most nukes at the right time. US and Russia have a sh!t ton of nukes, so yeah.

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#36 tenaka2
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You don't understand anything about nuclear warfare do you? When a country shoots a nuke, the victim country (assuming they have them) sends a nuke back to shoot that nuke down. So yeah, its a fight to see who has the most nukes at the right time. US and Russia have a sh!t ton of nukes, so yeah. kris9031998

I hope you meant this, it's genius.

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#37 kris9031998
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Trolololol.
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#38 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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Makes a lot of sense to me. We're far past the time of the Cold War, and how war is waged has changed a lot since the beginning of the nuclear age. One nuclear bomb could decimate a large city, so using a few on any major nation would destroy the infrastructure. The world relies on electronics and the internet, so that is where the new weapons will be focused.

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#39 Crunchy_Nuts
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I don't understand this. Having nuclear weapons is a good thing in case terrorists attack.
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#40 Wasdie  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

They get taken apart and their pieces get stored in larger facilities. This is far cheaper. Also they can be rebuilt if need.

Necrifer

Won't that cost a lot of money?

Costs a hell of a lot less than keeping them in a ready state. Not to mention, those costs don't increase that much over time compared to the constant upgrades and whatnot needed for active service.

Most of Russia's 300k AFVs they build during the cold war are sitting in warehouses, decommissioned and ready to be rebuilt at a moments notice. A lot of our military deployed to Iraq is being put in that condition right now.

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#41 Necrifer
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I don't understand this. Having nuclear weapons is a good thing in case terrorists attack.

Crunchy_Nuts

You can't really nuke terrorists.

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#42 tenaka2
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I don't understand this. Having nuclear weapons is a good thing in case terrorists attack.Crunchy_Nuts

So your solution to terrorist attacks is nukes?

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#43 Wasdie  Moderator
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[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

We don't dispose them. We store the materials in case they get rebuilt. You can't just dispose the enriched uranium. If that falls into the wrong hands you can build a nuke pretty easily.

Good thing that the government tracks all nuclear material used for our WMDs down to like the thousanth of a gram. Russia on the other hand just throws it all in the back, fences it in and puts a big sign saying "DO NOT STEAL" on it.

THE_DRUGGIE

The honor system.

Well when I said "disposal" I meant breaking down the nukes with care.

Also, please stop quoting Wasdie, it kind of depreciates the fact that I'm adblocking him.

Aww. It's like he's a little 5 year old with his fingers in his ears going "LALALALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALAALAL"

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#44 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"] The honor system.Wasdie

Well when I said "disposal" I meant breaking down the nukes with care.

Also, please stop quoting Wasdie, it kind of depreciates the fact that I'm adblocking him.

Aww. It's like he's a little 5 year old with his fingers in his ears going "LALALALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALAALAL"

Wasn't me.

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#45 peterw007
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[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]I don't understand this. Having nuclear weapons is a good thing in case terrorists attack.tenaka2

So your solution to terrorist attacks is nukes?

I don't think Crunchy_Nuts realizes the implication of using nuclear weapons.

If we started a nuclear war, we would cause a nuclear winter, plunging the Earth into frigid temperatures and wiping out most life on the planet.

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#46 worlock77
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I don't understand this. Having nuclear weapons is a good thing in case terrorists attack.Crunchy_Nuts

You don't fight terrorists with nuclear weapons. What are you going to launch a nuke at an apartment building in Jersey City?

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#47 Crunchy_Nuts
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[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]

I don't understand this. Having nuclear weapons is a good thing in case terrorists attack.

Necrifer

You can't really nuke terrorists.

Why not. If we just nuke the entire mountains and stuff in Afghanistan we're bound to kill a few.
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#48 Mikey132
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Cool, so the rest of the world can begin drafting Invasion plans?

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#49 Wasdie  Moderator
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Cool, so the rest of the world can begin drafting Invasion plans?

Mikey132

Nobody will be invading for many reasons.

Number 1: We have 2 massive oceans surrounding us and no other nation has the force projection they would need to land an invasion force.

Number 2: We have the largest navy in the world. You can combine the next 5 navies together and they still aren't nearly the size of ours.

Number 3: There is absolutly no economic gain in invading a country and taking it's resources today

Number 4: There is no military in the world that could handle an occupation of a nation of this size.

There are many more reasons. We don't need thousands of nukes. We just need a strong military like we have now. Nukes are a product of the cold war, and expensive one at that.

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#50 Charazani
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"] The honor system.Wasdie

Well when I said "disposal" I meant breaking down the nukes with care.

Also, please stop quoting Wasdie, it kind of depreciates the fact that I'm adblocking him.

Aww. It's like he's a little 5 year old with his fingers in his ears going "LALALALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALAALAL"

Exactly. Don't know why it would bother him. Childish.