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#101 XileLord
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Nukes would only be useful to fight off an alien invasion :P

not so useful in fighting human to human wars.......unless you want mass extinction and a nuclear winter. If the U.S wants to dictate what countries can and cannot have nukes they better be prepared to ditch some of theirs as well.

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#102 codymcclain14
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[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Or you're just to much of a dumbass to get it? ... besides, only perverts would get that joke probably. You don't have to be a d*ck about it. so STFU. :) But in my real opinion, we shouldn't cut down our nukes... So if you wanna bash that opinion, go ahead jefff-row.codymcclain14

Ether you simply don't understand humor or you're painfully trying to cover a stupid comment. Ether way you're an idiot (as evidenced by your Facebook/mom thread. And yeah, I do have to be a dick about it.

And your opinion holds more water than that of the Pentagon how?

You would think a loving Christian who follows Jesus' teachings would rather there be less weapons of mass destruction on the Earth...

Even God has to kick a lil a$$.
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#103 Engrish_Major
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If the U.S wants to dictate what countries can and cannot have nukes they better be prepared to ditch some of theirs as well.

XileLord
Looking at past performance, it does not look like we have the power to do that.
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#104 worlock77
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[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Ether you simply don't understand humor or you're painfully trying to cover a stupid comment. Ether way you're an idiot (as evidenced by your Facebook/mom thread. And yeah, I do have to be a dick about it.

And your opinion holds more water than that of the Pentagon how?

codymcclain14

You would think a loving Christian who follows Jesus' teachings would rather there be less weapons of mass destruction on the Earth...

Even God has to kick a lil a$$.

And he, of course, needs the US to have thousands of active nukes in order to do so right?

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#105 codymcclain14
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="codymcclain14"][QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

You would think a loving Christian who follows Jesus' teachings would rather there be less weapons of mass destruction on the Earth...

Even God has to kick a lil a$$.

And he, of course, needs the US to have thousands of active nukes in order to do so right?

Lol. I can't say what the US is doing is Gods will, cause I don't know. But IMO, we shouldn't ditch most of our nukes. We need atleast stay close to Russia. But yeah, just opinions. Not worth my time if all you're gonig to do is argue against my beliefs, with your beliefs., I've got to get off here. so later.
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#106 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="codymcclain14"] Even God has to kick a lil a$$.codymcclain14

And he, of course, needs the US to have thousands of active nukes in order to do so right?

Lol. I can't say what the US is doing is Gods will, cause I don't know. But IMO, we shouldn't ditch most of our nukes. We need atleast stay close to Russia. But yeah, just opinions. Not worth my time if all you're gonig to do is argue against my beliefs, with your beliefs., I've got to get off here. so later.

I'm sorry, but if you don't want your statements to be answered then you should not posting on a public forum.

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#108 comp_atkins
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this just an example of every single decision made by obama ( no decision has even been made ) being criticized and politicized.. obama considers a 2% reduction in projected military spending increases we get a "OMG NOBAMMA IS HOLLOWING OUT OUR MILITARY, WE WON'T BE SAFE ANYMORE!!!11!" and we call come here and spout the same tired arguments back and forth over it... same ---- happened when bush was president.. same ---- will happen with president santorum...
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#109 peterw007
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[QUOTE="codymcclain14"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

And he, of course, needs the US to have thousands of active nukes in order to do so right?

worlock77

Lol. I can't say what the US is doing is Gods will, cause I don't know. But IMO, we shouldn't ditch most of our nukes. We need atleast stay close to Russia. But yeah, just opinions. Not worth my time if all you're gonig to do is argue against my beliefs, with your beliefs., I've got to get off here. so later.

I'm sorry, but if you don't want your statements to be answered then you should not posting on a public forum.

1. Person posts on a public forum.

2. Person gets responded to.

3. Person wonders why he gets responded to.

4. Person considers respondee "not worthy" of his time.

5. Person leaves.

That about sums it up.

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#110 Necrifer
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same ---- will happen with president santorum...

comp_atkins

Holy **** What the ****

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#111 coolbeans90
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president santorum... comp_atkins

no

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#112 wis3boi
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president Nader... comp_atkins

Fix'd

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#113 branketra
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

president Nader... comp_atkins

Fix'd

Is he even running this time?
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#114 worlock77
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]president Nader... BranKetra

Fix'd

Is he even running this time?

As far as I'm aware of, no.

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#115 Blue-Sky
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Nukes would only be useful to fight off an alien invasion :P

not so useful in fighting human to human wars.......unless you want mass extinction and a nuclear winter. If the U.S wants to dictate what countries can and cannot have nukes they better be prepared to ditch some of theirs as well.

XileLord

Aliens? Not even. A nuclear explosion at high altitudes would destroy the earths atmosphere and possibly generate an EMP field so wide it destroys a portion of electronic devices across the world.Nukes have no operational benefit other than destruction of human race.

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#116 kuraimen
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The US has no business telling anyone they can't have nukes if they have nukes themselves. So if Obama gets rid of all nuks then I would support the US against Iran, otherwise it's pure hypocrisy
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#117 Big_Pecks
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The US has no business telling anyone they can't have nukes if they have nukes themselves. So if Obama gets rid of all nuks then I would support the US against Iran, otherwise it's pure hypocrisykuraimen


This, partly.

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#118 Ravensmash
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Russia and USA are neck in nck with the amount of nukes. Russia will have the upper hand, and Obama knows it.

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As Ron Paul once said in the debates: "It's not the cold war anymore". (I think he said something like that anyway).
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#119 shakmaster13
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The US only has just over 6k active nukes I thought...We should be more worried about tracking down the thousands of missing soviet ones.
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#120 Kh1ndjal
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this just an example of every single decision made by obama ( no decision has even been made ) being criticized and politicized.. obama considers a 2% reduction in projected military spending increases we get a "OMG NOBAMMA IS HOLLOWING OUT OUR MILITARY, WE WON'T BE SAFE ANYMORE!!!11!" and we call come here and spout the same tired arguments back and forth over it... same ---- happened when bush was president.. same ---- will happen with president santorum... comp_atkins
sometimes it feels like there's only person who's running the government.
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#121 nocoolnamejim
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Nuclear weapons reductions has been the goal of every U.S. president during my lifetime on both sides of the aisle. It's been a relatively non-controversial subject with bipartisan support. (Hence the existence of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.) But it's actually even MORE important currently with the Cold War over because now the main threat is not the U.S. and the Soviet Union launching thousands of the stupid things at each other. The threat is that if you HAVE thousands, that's a lot of nukes to guard and maintain. What happens if there's a security breach and some terrorists get their hands on one? Reducing available stockpiles in a safe way is a very smart idea.
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#122 entropyecho
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Nuclear weapons reductions has been the goal of every U.S. president during my lifetime on both sides of the aisle. It's been a relatively non-controversial subject with bipartisan support. (Hence the existence of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.) But it's actually even MORE important currently with the Cold War over because now the main threat is not the U.S. and the Soviet Union launching thousands of the stupid things at each other. The threat is that if you HAVE thousands, that's a lot of nukes to guard and maintain. What happens if there's a security breach and some terrorists get their hands on one? Reducing available stockpiles in a safe way is a very smart idea.nocoolnamejim

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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#123 Nonstop-Madness
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tbh, why do we really need like 10,000 nukes ? Just keep 4000 of the newer models, in particular the Trident missiles.
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#124 Ninja-Hippo
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Gotta love how congressmen in arizona think they know more about nuclear weaponry than the Pentagon.
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#125 HoolaHoopMan
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[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]

I don't understand this. Having nuclear weapons is a good thing in case terrorists attack.

Crunchy_Nuts

You can't really nuke terrorists.

Why not. If we just nuke the entire mountains and stuff in Afghanistan we're bound to kill a few.

Are you ****ing retarded?
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#126 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="Necrifer"]

You can't really nuke terrorists.

HoolaHoopMan

Why not. If we just nuke the entire mountains and stuff in Afghanistan we're bound to kill a few.

Are you ****ing retarded?

he watched the opening of Iron Man a few too many times.

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#127 HoolaHoopMan
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"] Why not. If we just nuke the entire mountains and stuff in Afghanistan we're bound to kill a few.Serraph105

Are you ****ing retarded?

he watched the opening of Iron Man a few too many times.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry when someone might be serious about this. Jesus Christ.
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#128 TacticalDesire
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The thing is, you don't need a giant number of nukes, sure you need quite a few and different varieties of them, but possesing the kind of firepower the U.S. had before i.e the ability to destroy the world 28 times over or w/e just isn't/wasn't necessary.

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#129 gameguy6700
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The only reason it ever made sense to have so many of the damn things was because the US and USSR were both practicing full blown mutually assured annihilation. The idea was that you would have so many nukes that even if an enemy blanketed your country with their own nuclear suprise attacks you would still have enough surviving nukes to also wipe them out as well. Thing is, the USA is no longer in a situation like that and as history has thus far shown, all you really need is one nuke to scare off any would-be aggressors. Hell, you don't even need that. Look at Iran. All you need is the ABILITY to make nuclear weapons and suddenly no one will even think of attacking you ever again. Also consider that nuclear weapons require a ton of very expensive maintenance and guarding. You can't just put them on a shelf in a warehouse and be done with it. As a result, the sheer amount of nuclear weapons the US has results in a massive expenditure of money just to maintain and guard weapons that will almost certainly never be used and are, by all accounts, completely unnecessary. Republicans talk about cutting wasteful spending and making the government more efficient so it's puzzling that they would be against reducing our nuclear arsenal to a more reasonable size.
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#130 deactivated-59f03d6ce656b
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There is no point wasting tons of money to keep enough weapons to blow up the entire world many times over.
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#131 Riverwolf007
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good they are crazy expensive to maintain and are useless for the strategies of the future.

we need to get down to a few dozen active nukes hidden on subs and take the money to fund a new generation of air, land and sea combat drones.

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#132 Banjo_Kongfooie
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Good, President Obama actually wants peace unlike ReFascistcans.
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#133 RandomWinner
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They have enough nukes to blow up the planet 10 times over. They don't need that many, there was no reason for it during the cold war other than to prove that they had them. Its like they're over compensating for something. Actually, I'll run with this metaphor. Its like, the size of a d!ck doesn't effect its actual function, but a bigger one is viewed as more appealing. Then it just becomes excessive and discusting. EWWWW!!!! 70,000 nukes!!!

Its better foreign policy to not have your gigantic d!ck swinging down to the floor when you go to a bar to hang out with your buddies Britain, France, and Germany. Not to mention Iran wouldn't want to take a swing at you.

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#134 Banjo_Kongfooie
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They have enough nukes to blow up the planet 10 times over. They don't need that many, there was no reason for it during the cold war other than to prove that they had them. Its like they're over compensating for something. Actually, I'll run with this metaphor. Its like, the size of a d!ck doesn't effect its actual function, but a bigger one is viewed as more appealing. Then it just becomes excessive and discusting. EWWWW!!!! 70,000 nukes!!!

Its better foreign policy to not have your gigantic d!ck swinging down to the floor when you go to a bar to hang out with your buddies Britain, France, and Germany. Not to mention Iran wouldn't want to take a swing at you.

RandomWinner

I agree accept that analogy is awful... The bigger... usually is better atleast to women from what I heard as I am a male.

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#135 ActionRemix
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Duh. Most of them are probably 50+ years old.
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#136 sexyweapons
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What will they do with all those disposed nukes?

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#137 Tylendal
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[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

Cool, so the rest of the world can begin drafting Invasion plans?

Wasdie

Nobody will be invading for many reasons.

Number 1: We have 2 massive oceans surrounding us and no other nation has the force projection they would need to land an invasion force.

Number 2: We have the largest navy in the world. You can combine the next 5 navies together and they still aren't nearly the size of ours.

Number 3: There is absolutly no economic gain in invading a country and taking it's resources today

Number 4: There is no military in the world that could handle an occupation of a nation of this size.

There are many more reasons. We don't need thousands of nukes. We just need a strong military like we have now. Nukes are a product of the cold war, and expensive one at that.

You forgot number 5, the sheer amount of gun-nuts per square mile who think that they're a one man army.
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#138 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

Cool, so the rest of the world can begin drafting Invasion plans?

Tylendal

Nobody will be invading for many reasons.

Number 1: We have 2 massive oceans surrounding us and no other nation has the force projection they would need to land an invasion force.

Number 2: We have the largest navy in the world. You can combine the next 5 navies together and they still aren't nearly the size of ours.

Number 3: There is absolutly no economic gain in invading a country and taking it's resources today

Number 4: There is no military in the world that could handle an occupation of a nation of this size.

There are many more reasons. We don't need thousands of nukes. We just need a strong military like we have now. Nukes are a product of the cold war, and expensive one at that.

You forgot number 5, the sheer amount of gun-nuts per square mile who think that they're a one man army.

I'd like to see China invade Tennessee....would be suicide
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#139 oddly_modest
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Why on Earth would any nation need seventy-THOUSAND nuclear warheads?
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#140 th3warr1or
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Sell them to Israel. :D
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#141 TheShadowLord07
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[QUOTE="XileLord"]

Nukes would only be useful to fight off an alien invasion :P

not so useful in fighting human to human wars.......unless you want mass extinction and a nuclear winter. If the U.S wants to dictate what countries can and cannot have nukes they better be prepared to ditch some of theirs as well.

Blue-Sky

Aliens? Not even. A nuclear explosion at high altitudes would destroy the earths atmosphere and possibly generate an EMP field so wide it destroys a portion of electronic devices across the world.Nukes have no operational benefit other than destruction of human race.

yea didnt you seen independance day?!

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Ever seen a superpower get a vasectomy? We're gunna need a lot of frozen peas...
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#143 worlock77
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[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Nobody will be invading for many reasons.

Number 1: We have 2 massive oceans surrounding us and no other nation has the force projection they would need to land an invasion force.

Number 2: We have the largest navy in the world. You can combine the next 5 navies together and they still aren't nearly the size of ours.

Number 3: There is absolutly no economic gain in invading a country and taking it's resources today

Number 4: There is no military in the world that could handle an occupation of a nation of this size.

There are many more reasons. We don't need thousands of nukes. We just need a strong military like we have now. Nukes are a product of the cold war, and expensive one at that.

wis3boi

You forgot number 5, the sheer amount of gun-nuts per square mile who think that they're a one man army.

I'd like to see China invade Tennessee....would be suicide

Assuming anyone in Tennessee is actually sober enough to hit the broad side of a barn. That's about as likely as me being appointed global dictator.

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#144 SaintWalrus
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The problem is.

If we have lesser nukes than another country

That would give them the nuclear edge.

Would America really want that Image?

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#145 SaintWalrus
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World peace is never going to exist.

Man will always be corrupted.

You can make the leaders shake hands, but I bet you they'll be holding a pistol in the other hand behind their back. If America wants to assert its dominance and image as a powerful country, we need moar nukes

Moar than russia

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#146 worlock77
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Are people actually reading the article?

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#147 SaintWalrus
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Are people actually reading the article?

worlock77

Hell no.

Reading is for Asians and communists

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#148 deactivated-58df4522915cb
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ok lets just make ourselves COMPLETELY defenseless then -__-

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#149 Tylendal
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ok lets just make ourselves COMPLETELY defenseless then -__-

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Disabling most of the US's nukes would still leave enough firepower to easily wipe every city in Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and France thrown in for good measure, right off the map.
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#150 deactivated-58df4522915cb
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[QUOTE="Neo-ganon"]

ok lets just make ourselves COMPLETELY defenseless then -__-

Tylendal

Disabling most of the US's nukes would still leave enough firepower to easily wipe every city in Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and France thrown in for good measure, right off the map.

yeah, our small amount of nukes against the entire stockpile of nukes belonging to the enemy that they are undoubtedly hiding because they know how much of a wuss obama is. we take down one or two of their cities, they completely glass us or worse, emp attack us

if the article saying that we would have less nukes than congressmen is true at least