Obama orders med shops in California to close down.

While this probably didn't come from the President himself the fact is it's his administration, thus he gets the blame. That's how it is with any president. It's kinda like with the captian of a ship. He may not make every decision, and things may happen that he's not directly in control of, but it's still his ship and he gets the credit/blame for whatever happens with that ship.

And marijuana absolutely should be legalized. And yes, it does have theraputic qualities, but the health benefits of it are greatly exaggerated. If it were really the miraculous drug that many of its supporters like to claim believe me, "Big Pharma" would be all over it.

This is so stupid. Marijuana has a ton of health benefits, is impossible to OD on if you smoke it, and isn't physically addictive unlike nicotine and alcohol, and yet we make it illegal. Why the government wastes billions of dollars in tax payer money going after such a harmless drug and then blows billions more investigating, arresting, and imprisoning everyone associated with it is beyond me.gameguy6700

I think people would cringe if they knew how much of our national debt was contributed to, by the war on drugs. Yet we have a multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical industry! A certain level of hypocrisy that cannot be ignored!

Sure you can die from (spelling isn't great on these here, but bare with me) Oxycontin, Riddlen, Prosac, plenty of heroine and opium based pharmaceutical drugs, but oh my if you smoke that demon weed.... :roll:

This will not stop people from smoking, just like the prohibition didn't stop people from Drinking! Yet which is the more dangerous out of the two in every way?!!?!?!?!?!?

We can die from breathing in the aftermath of industrialized societies, but we can't soothe ourselves while breathing in some marijuana smoke.

Hopefully it will be decriminalized. IT never should have been made illegal in the first place, there is not a single logical reason why it is illegal, when so many other drugs (that are far worse) are not!

Hopefully it will be decriminalized. IT never should have been made illegal in the first place, there is not a single logical reason why it is illegal, when so many other drugs (that are far worse) are not!

Lach0121

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

Hopefully it will be decriminalized. IT never should have been made illegal in the first place, there is not a single logical reason why it is illegal, when so many other drugs (that are far worse) are not!

GrudHeap

That probably makes sense to the leaders of this country, political and corporate, that have their heads so far up their A$$es. :P

wow thats complete BS.

I think the big picture they are trying to tell youis, Obama-Administration does not report to, does not work for Obama. :roll:

magicalclick

Is the Executive Office overseen by the White House Chief of Staff?

Was there even a vote?BranKetra

Is there any clear reason as to why they want to shut shops down? This is complete bs

While this probably didn't come from the President himself the fact is it's his administration, thus he gets the blame. That's how it is with any president. It's kinda like with the captian of a ship. He may not make every decision, and things may happen that he's not directly in control of, but it's still his ship and he gets the credit/blame for whatever happens with that ship.

And marijuana absolutely should be legalized. And yes, it does have theraputic qualities, but the health benefits of it are greatly exaggerated. If it were really the miraculous drug that many of its supporters like to claim believe me, "Big Pharma" would be all over it.

worlock77

Anyone interested, they can read the document here:

Obama Administration Memo Spells End of Medical Marijuana Industry?

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] It has lots of medical benefits. You would know this if you did your research. Don't let the government spoon feed you your info unless your want to grow up ignorant to the truth.AmazonTreeBoa

Sad, Sad, Sad. Saving face huh? lol this is going to turn into a major Fiasco. Government can't leave people alone, and Corporations can't stop screwing them. While millions upon millions in this country are stuck in between these 2 disastrous parties.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Was there even a vote?Ace6301

didn't canada recently allow more herion centers to open..? if mexico did that!...no im not racist i wont go there lol I was skeptical about who actually executed the order. "Obama administration" oh ok. I had no desire to vote until now. i dont care who the republican is im voting for them. why cant we make marijuana based drinks and ban alchohol? marijuana would make people too lazy to kill and rape, i guess thats why alchohol is legal?playmynutz

Let me play devils advocate. (personally, if Mary Jane was legal, I don't think I'd have a problem with it)

Maybe it has to do with public intoxication being illegal. (is it illegal everywhere in the US?)

Assuming what I said above is true, everytime you drink you don't get drunk. Plus you can cook with alcohol for flavor.

Does everytime you smoke pot don't you get high? (I never smoked, so I don't know).

Maybe that's why alcohol is legal but MJ is not. Just a stab.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="GrudHeap"]

Health benefits... :roll:

I have to state that marijuana for medical use is EXTREMELY helpful though, and in my past it was the only thing to really help. The fact is, you do not need these shops or even to smoke the drug at all. They can produce perfectly great substitutes in a pill form which I have had before (this is in Canada mind you).Ringx55

What is he trying to accomplish by doing this?

JoeJoeLaker

[QUOTE="playmynutz"]didn't canada recently allow more herion centers to open..? if mexico did that!...no im not racist i wont go there lol I was skeptical about who actually executed the order. "Obama administration" oh ok. I had no desire to vote until now. i dont care who the republican is im voting for them. why cant we make marijuana based drinks and ban alchohol? marijuana would make people too lazy to kill and rape, i guess thats why alchohol is legal?flazzle

Let me play devils advocate. (personally, if Mary Jane was legal, I don't think I'd have a problem with it)

Maybe it has to do with public intoxication being illegal. (is it illegal everywhere in the US?)

Assuming what I said above is true, everytime you drink you don't get drunk. Plus you can cook with alcohol for flavor.

Does everytime you smoke pot don't you get high? (I never smoked, so I don't know).

Maybe that's why alcohol is legal but MJ is not. Just a stab.

Yet what about all these prescription drugs, Oxycontin, Methadone, Loratab, etc. You are on them, in public, that is public intoxication... The difference is the pharmacutical industry gets a cut!

[QUOTE="Ringx55"]I have to state that marijuana for medical use is EXTREMELY helpful though, and in my past it was the only thing to really help. The fact is, you do not need these shops or even to smoke the drug at all. They can produce perfectly great substitutes in a pill form which I have had before (this is in Canada mind you).Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="playmynutz"]didn't canada recently allow more herion centers to open..? if mexico did that!...no im not racist i wont go there lol I was skeptical about who actually executed the order. "Obama administration" oh ok. I had no desire to vote until now. i dont care who the republican is im voting for them. why cant we make marijuana based drinks and ban alchohol? marijuana would make people too lazy to kill and rape, i guess thats why alchohol is legal?flazzle

Let me play devils advocate. (personally, if Mary Jane was legal, I don't think I'd have a problem with it)

Maybe it has to do with public intoxication being illegal. (is it illegal everywhere in the US?)

Assuming what I said above is true, everytime you drink you don't get drunk. Plus you can cook with alcohol for flavor.

Does everytime you smoke pot don't you get high? (I never smoked, so I don't know).

Maybe that's why alcohol is legal but MJ is not. Just a stab.

The same thing you said for alcohol applies for marijuana. When you drink a little you get "buzzed" not full on drunk.

When you smoke a little yes you get high, but there's a big difference between high and completely stoned. You can also cook with mj but that's a different story :P

While this probably didn't come from the President himself the fact is it's his administration, thus he gets the blame. That's how it is with any president. It's kinda like with the captian of a ship. He may not make every decision, and things may happen that he's not directly in control of, but it's still his ship and he gets the credit/blame for whatever happens with that ship.

And marijuana absolutely should be legalized. And yes, it does have theraputic qualities, but the health benefits of it are greatly exaggerated. If it were really the miraculous drug that many of its supporters like to claim believe me, "Big Pharma" would be all over it.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Was there even a vote?Ace6301

Yet what about all these prescription drugs, Oxycontin, Methadone, Loratab, etc. You are on them, in public, that is public intoxication... The difference is the pharmacutical industry gets a cut!

Lach0121

Are you actually intoxicated with the above or are they just pain killers? (and reading up on them, horribly addictive with dreadful withdrawal. I'd rather do MJ anyday than those).

Is taking them like being drunk or high? Again, haven't taken either.

[QUOTE="Ringx55"]I have to state that marijuana for medical use is EXTREMELY helpful though, and in my past it was the only thing to really help. The fact is, you do not need these shops or even to smoke the drug at all. They can produce perfectly great substitutes in a pill form which I have had before (this is in Canada mind you).Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

Yet what about all these prescription drugs, Oxycontin, Methadone, Loratab, etc. You are on them, in public, that is public intoxication... The difference is the pharmacutical industry gets a cut!

flazzle

Are you actually intoxicated with the above or are they just pain killers? (and reading up on them, horribly addictive with dreadful withdrawal. I'd rather do MJ anyday than those).

Is taking them like being drunk or high? Again, haven't taken either.

Actually taking some of these perscription drugs will intoxicate you further than being high can.. I mean I have been extremely high on pot, but always in control.

I cannot say the same for Alcohol, or these perscription drugs, they can, and often do remove one's self control. A friend took several Loratabs, and he was so messed up tried to jump out of a moving vehicle down the interstate! This is no isolated incident either.

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

Yet what about all these prescription drugs, Oxycontin, Methadone, Loratab, etc. You are on them, in public, that is public intoxication... The difference is the pharmacutical industry gets a cut!

flazzle

Are you actually intoxicated with the above or are they just pain killers? (and reading up on them, horribly addictive with dreadful withdrawal. I'd rather do MJ anyday than those).

Is taking them like being drunk or high? Again, haven't taken either.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="Ringx55"]I have to state that marijuana for medical use is EXTREMELY helpful though, and in my past it was the only thing to really help. The fact is, you do not need these shops or even to smoke the drug at all. They can produce perfectly great substitutes in a pill form which I have had before (this is in Canada mind you).Ringx55

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

Yet what about all these prescription drugs, Oxycontin, Methadone, Loratab, etc. You are on them, in public, that is public intoxication... The difference is the pharmacutical industry gets a cut!

Are you actually intoxicated with the above or are they just pain killers? (and reading up on them, horribly addictive with dreadful withdrawal. I'd rather do MJ anyday than those).

Is taking them like being drunk or high? Again, haven't taken either.

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="flazzle"]

Are you actually intoxicated with the above or are they just pain killers? (and reading up on them, horribly addictive with dreadful withdrawal. I'd rather do MJ anyday than those).

Is taking them like being drunk or high? Again, haven't taken either.

Frame_Dragger

I agree, people DO NOT know how to drive as it is, no need to impare it further!

I cannot wait until it is mostly automated transportation, if we don't then we will not only have more wrecks, but traffic jams that will create total gridlock where the economy crashes even further than it has, because no one can get to work, or get to where they need to spend the money!

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"] yea oxycontin is essentially legal heroin. not exactly the same, but very similar. strong painkillers like that are very addictive Lach0121

I agree, people DO NOT know how to drive as it is, no need to impare it further!

I cannot wait until it is mostly automated transportation, if we don't then we will not only have more wrecks, but traffic jams that will create total gridlock where the economy crashes even further than it has, because no one can get to work, or get to where they need to spend the money!

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] True... it's very similar in its opioid profile to heroin, just synthesized rather than derived from Morphine. - I'd add... forget oxycontinin, if you take vicodin (and I recently did for a dental procedure) you're not supposed to be driving. That the law in many states is ill equipped to catch you, doesn't change that it's both stupid to drive, and against the law. That said, don't smoke marijuana and drive either; people have this idea that because you don't have a general CNS depressent or soporific effect, you're "in control". In fact, your reaction time and attention are shot at pretty low levels of exposure. If you're impaired by a drug (i.e. using one) legal or otherwise... DON'T... DRIVE. I'd add... get into an accident and find out just how seriously courts take it when your blood is full of something legal or otherwise that may have led to you being responsible. Frame_Dragger

I agree, people DO NOT know how to drive as it is, no need to impare it further!

I cannot wait until it is mostly automated transportation, if we don't then we will not only have more wrecks, but traffic jams that will create total gridlock where the economy crashes even further than it has, because no one can get to work, or get to where they need to spend the money!

Oh yes, my GF and I are seriously thinking of having a custom Bumper sticker made to say: Get off the phone, and maybe you can learn to drive.

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

Yeah, I just agree 100% on this, and cellphones have just made me even more adamant about this issue.Frame_Dragger

Oh yes, my GF and I are seriously thinking of having a custom Bumper sticker made to say: Get off the phone, and maybe you can drive.

cellphone is outdated already. I see people driving and tableting.

[QUOTE="Ringx55"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] You're thinking of Marinol, and there are some rather serious issues with dosing and efficacy compared to controls with Marinol. Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="Ringx55"] At the same time I think it does lead to less abuse of the drug all while maintain control and regulating it better. Yes it is harder to know what dosage but usually in long term aspects where it's used you have a lot of room to go for that.Ringx55

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] Yeah, I just agree 100% on this, and cellphones have just made me even more adamant about this issue.magicalclick

Oh yes, my GF and I are seriously thinking of having a custom Bumper sticker made to say: Get off the phone, and maybe you can drive.

cellphone is outdated already. I see people driving and tableting.

Just worsens the problem.

[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]considering people that are getting medical marijuana prescriptions who don't need it. I'd say this is the right decision considering what the law is. if pot heads didn't go out of the way to falsify claims of medical problems then they probably would have left this alone, but since they don't...DroidPhysX

Obama hurting the American people? No surprise there