Obama "Make sure your kids speak spanish"

[QUOTE="Oriental_Jams"]

Unless you are of Native American (American Indian) descent, then it's not your country.

limpbizkit818

Since when were Native Americans the founders of the United States?

[QUOTE="BatmanBegins24"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="BatmanBegins24"][QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="navigata"]

lol thats ruff dude. Im Canadian n all, we have like no problems speakin french as a second language...Why is it that the us complains so much..

Its not like you HAVE TO learn it...

-Austin-

in canada it's basically the scond language of the nation, with amerca it's new imigrants bringing it in so they should learn english, a country shouldn't have to change itself to cater for imigrants

If, in the future, more than half of the people here speak Spanish as a first language

I see no reason this should happen. We need better border security to keep out illegals and I doubt enough legal Spanish speaking immigrants will be coming here in the near future that it would represent more than half of the country.

I know MANY hispanics that speak Spanish as a second language and they keep the language alive in their progeny. Because of that you have generations of Spanish speaking people, especially in certain places in the U.S. When the Areas spread more people will learn. I even know hispanics who merry people of other ethnicities and still keep the language alive. Hispanic is the largest ethnic minority in the United States. There are more people of hispanic descent than German descent, Irish descent, British descent, ect.

But right now it isn't spoken as a first language by enough people that it would be an official language. It shouldn't be spoken as a first language here at all because we speak English here.

Let me correct myself, I meant if half of the people here speak the language, it does not matter if it's your first language or not. And I said co-official. Like for instance, most of the people in Spain speak Castilian (a.k.a. Spanish), but Catalan, Aranese, Basque, and Galician are officially recognized there. That's what I mean.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="BatmanBegins24"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="BatmanBegins24"][QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="navigata"]

lol thats ruff dude. Im Canadian n all, we have like no problems speakin french as a second language...Why is it that the us complains so much..

Its not like you HAVE TO learn it...

BatmanBegins24

in canada it's basically the scond language of the nation, with amerca it's new imigrants bringing it in so they should learn english, a country shouldn't have to change itself to cater for imigrants

If, in the future, more than half of the people here speak Spanish as a first language

I see no reason this should happen. We need better border security to keep out illegals and I doubt enough legal Spanish speaking immigrants will be coming here in the near future that it would represent more than half of the country.

I know MANY hispanics that speak Spanish as a second language and they keep the language alive in their progeny. Because of that you have generations of Spanish speaking people, especially in certain places in the U.S. When the Areas spread more people will learn. I even know hispanics who merry people of other ethnicities and still keep the language alive. Hispanic is the largest ethnic minority in the United States. There are more people of hispanic descent than German descent, Irish descent, British descent, ect.

But right now it isn't spoken as a first language by enough people that it would be an official language. It shouldn't be spoken as a first language here at all because we speak English here.

Let me correct myself, I meant if half of the people here speak the language, it does not matter if it's your first language or not. And I said co-official. Like for instance, most of the people in Spain speak Castilian (a.k.a. Spanish), but Catalan, Aranese, Basque, and Galician are officially recognized there. That's what I mean.

I don't have the stats. but I doubt half of legal Americans speak Spanish fluently.

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="Oriental_Jams"]

Unless you are of Native American (American Indian) descent, then it's not your country.

swizz-the-gamer

Since when were Native Americans the founders of the United States?

Ok that's great but you didn't answer my question.

How is this country their country?

[QUOTE="shoeman12"][QUOTE="BatmanBegins24"][QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="navigata"]

lol thats ruff dude. Im Canadian n all, we have like no problems speakin french as a second language...Why is it that the us complains so much..

Its not like you HAVE TO learn it...

Oriental_Jams

in canada it's basically the scond language of the nation, with amerca it's new imigrants bringing it in so they should learn english, a country shouldn't have to change itself to cater for imigrants

Well immigrants make up the country. If, in the future, more than half of the people here speak Spanish as a first language why shouldn't Spanish be made co-official along with English? Many nations are Bilingual. Canada is bilingual and I don't see mass chaos over there.

because we shouldn't have to cater to them. why should WE make spanish one of the official languages when THEY are the ones coming over here to OUR country?

Unless you are of Native American (American Indian) descent, then it's not your country.

[QUOTE="Oriental_Jams"][QUOTE="shoeman12"][QUOTE="BatmanBegins24"][QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="navigata"]

lol thats ruff dude. Im Canadian n all, we have like no problems speakin french as a second language...Why is it that the us complains so much..

Its not like you HAVE TO learn it...

SIapshot

in canada it's basically the scond language of the nation, with amerca it's new imigrants bringing it in so they should learn english, a country shouldn't have to change itself to cater for imigrants

Well immigrants make up the country. If, in the future, more than half of the people here speak Spanish as a first language why shouldn't Spanish be made co-official along with English? Many nations are Bilingual. Canada is bilingual and I don't see mass chaos over there.

because we shouldn't have to cater to them. why should WE make spanish one of the official languages when THEY are the ones coming over here to OUR country?

Unless you are of Native American (American Indian) descent, then it's not your country.

Actually no. Christopher Columbus is in the top 10 worst people of all time.

[QUOTE="Oriental_Jams"]

Unless you are of Native American (American Indian) descent, then it's not your country.

limpbizkit818

Since when were Native Americans the founders of the United States?

Oh I'm not saying that they were, but it was their land before it was the pilgrims.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="Oriental_Jams"]

Unless you are of Native American (American Indian) descent, then it's not your country.

limpbizkit818

Since when were Native Americans the founders of the United States?

Ok that's great but you didn't answer my question.

How is this country their country?

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="Oriental_Jams"]

Unless you are of Native American (American Indian) descent, then it's not your country.

swizz-the-gamer

Since when were Native Americans the founders of the United States?

Ok that's great but you didn't answer my question.

How is this country their country?

Same with every American territory.

[QUOTE="BatmanBegins24"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="BatmanBegins24"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="BatmanBegins24"][QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="navigata"]

lol thats ruff dude. Im Canadian n all, we have like no problems speakin french as a second language...Why is it that the us complains so much..

Its not like you HAVE TO learn it...

-Austin-

in canada it's basically the scond language of the nation, with amerca it's new imigrants bringing it in so they should learn english, a country shouldn't have to change itself to cater for imigrants

If, in the future, more than half of the people here speak Spanish as a first language

I see no reason this should happen. We need better border security to keep out illegals and I doubt enough legal Spanish speaking immigrants will be coming here in the near future that it would represent more than half of the country.

I know MANY hispanics that speak Spanish as a second language and they keep the language alive in their progeny. Because of that you have generations of Spanish speaking people, especially in certain places in the U.S. When the Areas spread more people will learn. I even know hispanics who merry people of other ethnicities and still keep the language alive. Hispanic is the largest ethnic minority in the United States. There are more people of hispanic descent than German descent, Irish descent, British descent, ect.

But right now it isn't spoken as a first language by enough people that it would be an official language. It shouldn't be spoken as a first language here at all because we speak English here.

Let me correct myself, I meant if half of the people here speak the language, it does not matter if it's your first language or not. And I said co-official. Like for instance, most of the people in Spain speak Castilian (a.k.a. Spanish), but Catalan, Aranese, Basque, and Galician are officially recognized there. That's what I mean.

I don't have the stats. but I doubt half of legal Americans speak Spanish fluently.

I said "if, in the future". Hispanics are the largest growing minority and will tripple by 2050 according to the BBC and USAtoday.And by 2097 Hispanics will make up 50% of the population.

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="Oriental_Jams"]

Unless you are of Native American (American Indian) descent, then it's not your country.

Oriental_Jams

Since when were Native Americans the founders of the United States?

Oh I'm not saying that they were, but it was their land before it was the pilgrims.

So? I just hate this logic.

They were here first that means it's theirs!

Why does this only apply to America? Lets kick everyone out of Europe and keep only those with direct links to pagan cavemen from lord knows how many years ago. You know, the Christians totally stole all their land!

South America? Push them all into the water. You can basically apply this to any country on the earth. It doesn't matter if they were here first second third or fourth, they lost the land. As much as you might hate that that is what human history is. One group takes from another. They no longer have clam to this land let alone this country.

It's not. It was violently taken from them.swizz-the-gamer

O so you agree with me that it's not their country? Ok, good thing we cleared that up.

to get back on topic...

So kids shouldn't be taught a second language because otherwise the Mexicans will take over America?

[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="Oriental_Jams"][QUOTE="shoeman12"][QUOTE="BatmanBegins24"][QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="navigata"]

lol thats ruff dude. Im Canadian n all, we have like no problems speakin french as a second language...Why is it that the us complains so much..

Its not like you HAVE TO learn it...

-Austin-

in canada it's basically the scond language of the nation, with amerca it's new imigrants bringing it in so they should learn english, a country shouldn't have to change itself to cater for imigrants

Well immigrants make up the country. If, in the future, more than half of the people here speak Spanish as a first language why shouldn't Spanish be made co-official along with English? Many nations are Bilingual. Canada is bilingual and I don't see mass chaos over there.

because we shouldn't have to cater to them. why should WE make spanish one of the official languages when THEY are the ones coming over here to OUR country?

Unless you are of Native American (American Indian) descent, then it's not your country.

Actually no. Christopher Columbus is in the top 10 worst people of all time.

[QUOTE="Oriental_Jams"][QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="Oriental_Jams"]

Unless you are of Native American (American Indian) descent, then it's not your country.

limpbizkit818

Since when were Native Americans the founders of the United States?

Oh I'm not saying that they were, but it was their land before it was the pilgrims.

So? I just hate this logic.

They were here first that means it's theirs!

Why does this only apply to America? Lets kick everyone out of Europe and keep only those with direct links to pagan cavemen from lord knows how many years ago. You know, the Christians totally stole all their land!

South America? Push them all into the water. You can basically apply this to any country on the earth. It doesn't matter if they were here first second third or fourth, they lost the land. As much as you might hate that that is what human history is. One group takes from another. They no longer have clam to this land let alone this country.

I'm just making a roundabout point that it seems a bit unfair to complain about immigrants when the large majority are descended from immigrants themselves.

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="Oriental_Jams"]

Unless you are of Native American (American Indian) descent, then it's not your country.

swizz-the-gamer

Since when were Native Americans the founders of the United States?

Ok that's great but you didn't answer my question.

How is this country their country?

How ignorant are you? Do you know how many times land has changed hand all over the the world. We fought them for the land and we won. Whether it was right or not isn't the issue the fact remains that this is our country.

I'm just making a roundabout point that it seems a bit unfair to complain about immigrants when the large majority are descended from immigrants themselves.

Oriental_Jams

That's a little more fair but lets keep in mind that some complaints against illegal immigration are fair as well.

Personally I think everyone in the nation should be able to communicate with eachother through multiple languages. We need to pick up with the education in this country ASAP.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="Oriental_Jams"]

Unless you are of Native American (American Indian) descent, then it's not your country.

kingyotoX

Since when were Native Americans the founders of the United States?

Ok that's great but you didn't answer my question.

How is this country their country?

How ignorant are you? Do you know how many times land has changed hand all over the the world. We fought them for the land and we won. Whether it was right or not isn't the issue the fact remains that this is our country.

As a person who came here LEGALLY to the United States - I strongly oppose illegal immigration. I strongly oppose having to learn Spanish when I LEARNED english (granted we have always been a bilingual speaking family and english was my first language - heck I'm not hispanic, why would I want to learn that language? I want to learn what I want to learn). I'm sick of pressing 1 for English, 2 for Spanish. Next thing you know, someone will be saying "hey our language is the 3rd language spoken here in the U.S. - I want to press 3 for that!"Sajedene

[QUOTE="Oriental_Jams"][QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="Oriental_Jams"]

Unless you are of Native American (American Indian) descent, then it's not your country.

limpbizkit818

Since when were Native Americans the founders of the United States?

Oh I'm not saying that they were, but it was their land before it was the pilgrims.

So? I just hate this logic.

They were here first that means it's theirs!

Why does this only apply to America? Lets kick everyone out of Europe and keep only those with direct links to pagan cavemen from lord knows how many years ago. You know, the Christians totally stole all their land!

South America? Push them all into the water. You can basically apply this to any country on the earth. It doesn't matter if they were here first second third or fourth, they lost the land. As much as you might hate that that is what human history is. One group takes from another. They no longer have clam to this land let alone this country.

I agree you baisicly said the same thing as me.

It's actually beyond me why anyone would complain about this. It's such an insane way to look at it 'we are catering to them'. It's good to learn a second language, I think everyone would agree with that. Why not make that second language that of a neighbouring country? In England, we learn mainly French, Spanish and German. Because these are major countries in our continent. You are not replacing English with Spanish (even if you did I can't see the problem, it's just a language) your just learning a second language, you are becoming smarter. So learn the most useful language.swizz-the-gamer

I'm already fluent in two languages and am conversationally able with 2 more. Why would I want to learn a language that encourages the illegal immigrants or legal immigrants to not learn the DOMINANT language of the country they are coming into?

I'm just making a roundabout point that it seems a bit unfair to complain about immigrants when the large majority are descended from immigrants themselves.

Oriental_Jams

There's a pretty big difference between an immigrant who starts a homestead and an immigrant who expects everything to be free.

Meh I agree some what.. In all honesty I would have no problem if they did it at a very young age.. You learn languages so much easier.. So who knows you could be fluent by middle school.. So that in it self by high school you can choose another language.. I see that as no problem what so ever and I wish they had something like that for here.. Either way I will take Obama any day of McCain whos economy guy says the United States are full of a bunch of whiners and they will have to deal with the economy.. Clearly this guy hasn't struggled.sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]It's actually beyond me why anyone would complain about this. It's such an insane way to look at it 'we are catering to them'. It's good to learn a second language, I think everyone would agree with that. Why not make that second language that of a neighbouring country? In England, we learn mainly French, Spanish and German. Because these are major countries in our continent. You are not replacing English with Spanish (even if you did I can't see the problem, it's just a language) your just learning a second language, you are becoming smarter. So learn the most useful language.Sajedene

I'm already fluent in two languages and am conversationally able with 2 more. Why would I want to learn a language that encourages the illegal immigrants or legal immigrants to not learn the DOMINANT language of the country they are coming into?

this is what happens when a politician speaks the truth. He gets crap for it.

This is America; English may be the language of the majority, but we need to learn Spanish because this is America. We are a great example of a multicultural society. We are not compromising, nor are we surrendring our linguistic right to foreign invaders...we are merely being practical. Non-english speaking people (specifically Hispanics) will be coming here for a long time.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]It's actually beyond me why anyone would complain about this. It's such an insane way to look at it 'we are catering to them'. It's good to learn a second language, I think everyone would agree with that. Why not make that second language that of a neighbouring country? In England, we learn mainly French, Spanish and German. Because these are major countries in our continent. You are not replacing English with Spanish (even if you did I can't see the problem, it's just a language) your just learning a second language, you are becoming smarter. So learn the most useful language.swizz-the-gamer

I'm already fluent in two languages and am conversationally able with 2 more. Why would I want to learn a language that encourages the illegal immigrants or legal immigrants to not learn the DOMINANT language of the country they are coming into?

Why should I? I dont find it beautiful. The U.S. is their neighboring country - why not learn english? Especially if they're so determined to come live over here? If I find German beautiful, does that mean everyone I come in contact with must learn German too?

I just wanna say somthing we are already required to learn a second language so wtf is Obama talking about.kingyotoX

For example, all Florida universities require atleast 2 years of a foreign language to be accepted

lol thats ruff dude. Im Canadian n all, we have like no problems speakin french as a second language...Why is it that the us complains so much..

Its not like you HAVE TO learn it...

navigata

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]It's actually beyond me why anyone would complain about this. It's such an insane way to look at it 'we are catering to them'. It's good to learn a second language, I think everyone would agree with that. Why not make that second language that of a neighbouring country? In England, we learn mainly French, Spanish and German. Because these are major countries in our continent. You are not replacing English with Spanish (even if you did I can't see the problem, it's just a language) your just learning a second language, you are becoming smarter. So learn the most useful language.Sajedene

I'm already fluent in two languages and am conversationally able with 2 more. Why would I want to learn a language that encourages the illegal immigrants or legal immigrants to not learn the DOMINANT language of the country they are coming into?

Why should I? I dont find it beautiful. The U.S. is their neighboring country - why not learn english? Especially if they're so determined to come live over here? If I find German beautiful, does that mean everyone I come in contact with must learn German too?

It's good to learn a second language.

Your neighbouring country speaks Spanish.

What would the most useful language to learn be?

Spanish.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]It's actually beyond me why anyone would complain about this. It's such an insane way to look at it 'we are catering to them'. It's good to learn a second language, I think everyone would agree with that. Why not make that second language that of a neighbouring country? In England, we learn mainly French, Spanish and German. Because these are major countries in our continent. You are not replacing English with Spanish (even if you did I can't see the problem, it's just a language) your just learning a second language, you are becoming smarter. So learn the most useful language.swizz-the-gamer

I'm already fluent in two languages and am conversationally able with 2 more. Why would I want to learn a language that encourages the illegal immigrants or legal immigrants to not learn the DOMINANT language of the country they are coming into?

Why should I? I dont find it beautiful. The U.S. is their neighboring country - why not learn english? Especially if they're so determined to come live over here? If I find German beautiful, does that mean everyone I come in contact with must learn German too?

It's good to learn a second language.

Your neighbouring country speaks Spanish.

What would the most useful language to learn be?

Spanish.

Lets put it this way... I already know a second language. It is spoken dominantly by the people I come in contact with the most (my family/relatives).

If someone cant speak English or any of the languages I know, why should I bother with them? They are of no use or consequence to me, who lives in the dominantly English speaking country. I will move on to the next person.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]It's actually beyond me why anyone would complain about this. It's such an insane way to look at it 'we are catering to them'. It's good to learn a second language, I think everyone would agree with that. Why not make that second language that of a neighbouring country? In England, we learn mainly French, Spanish and German. Because these are major countries in our continent. You are not replacing English with Spanish (even if you did I can't see the problem, it's just a language) your just learning a second language, you are becoming smarter. So learn the most useful language.Sajedene

I'm already fluent in two languages and am conversationally able with 2 more. Why would I want to learn a language that encourages the illegal immigrants or legal immigrants to not learn the DOMINANT language of the country they are coming into?

Why should I? I dont find it beautiful. The U.S. is their neighboring country - why not learn english? Especially if they're so determined to come live over here? If I find German beautiful, does that mean everyone I come in contact with must learn German too?

It's good to learn a second language.

Your neighbouring country speaks Spanish.

What would the most useful language to learn be?

Spanish.

Lets put it this way... I already know a second language. It is spoken dominantly by the people I come in contact with the most (my family/relatives).

If someone cant speak English or any of the languages I know, why should I bother with them? They are of no use or consequence to me, who lives in the dominantly English speaking country. I will move on to the next person.

Let me put it this way.It's good to learn a second language.Your neighbouring country speaks Spanish.What would the most useful language to learn be?Spanish.swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Let me put it this way.It's good to learn a second language.Your neighbouring country speaks Spanish.What would the most useful language to learn be?Spanish.Harshvardhan666

This has nothing to do with you. You are an adult. This is about teaching CHILDREN a seond language. Not replacing there first one. This is not about making it easier to converse with illegal immigrants. This is about making American children smarter. swizz-the-gamer

Being bi-lingual does not make one smarter. It just makes them much more sociable and culturally exposed. And again, Spanish is not the only language out there. If I'm going to go by your argument, I'd let the kids learn Mandarin or Japanese or something that would be much more benefecial to them in the business/financial aspect.

[QUOTE="Harshvardhan666"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Let me put it this way.It's good to learn a second language.Your neighbouring country speaks Spanish.What would the most useful language to learn be?Spanish.swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]This has nothing to do with you. You are an adult. This is about teaching CHILDREN a seond language. Not replacing there first one. This is not about making it easier to converse with illegal immigrants. This is about making American children smarter. Sajedene

Being bi-lingual does not make one smarter. It just makes them much more sociable and culturally exposed. And again, Spanish is not the only language out there. If I'm going to go by your argument, I'd let the kids learn Mandarin or Japanese or something that would be much more benefecial to them in the business/financial aspect.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]This has nothing to do with you. You are an adult. This is about teaching CHILDREN a seond language. Not replacing there first one. This is not about making it easier to converse with illegal immigrants. This is about making American children smarter. swizz-the-gamer

Being bi-lingual does not make one smarter. It just makes them much more sociable and culturally exposed. And again, Spanish is not the only language out there. If I'm going to go by your argument, I'd let the kids learn Mandarin or Japanese or something that would be much more benefecial to them in the business/financial aspect.

Thats why we came here. Duh.

I can't belive I just had an argument with someone about this. People wonder why America is so hated.swizz-the-gamer

So if i'm taking this right, we're hated because we have our own opinions on how our country should be run, and those opinions differ with other countries of the world, and because of their self-righteous nature they hate us rather than respect us.

Ok, makes sense.

I have never in my life seen a country so privileged yet so full of anger and hate. Forget it. There is no need to learn any other languages is there? Everything you need is in America. swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]I can't belive I just had an argument with someone about this. People wonder why America is so hated.Tolwan

So if i'm taking this right, we're hated because we have our own opinions on how our country should be run, and those opinions differ with other countries of the world, and because of their self-righteous nature they hate us rather than respect us.

Ok, makes sense.

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]I can't belive I just had an argument with someone about this. People wonder why America is so hated.swizz-the-gamer

So if i'm taking this right, we're hated because we have our own opinions on how our country should be run, and those opinions differ with other countries of the world, and because of their self-righteous nature they hate us rather than respect us.

Ok, makes sense.

A Second language is not required to be a productive citizen of the US, and for some people learning a second language is hard enough. So instead we leave learning a second language up to the individual, because the need to know it, and which one they need to know can differ greatly depending on what a person chooses to do with their life. For instance Chinese/Japanese would help in a financial path, whereas Various middle-eastern languages are going to gain you some points with the US military atm. And some colleges require a second language all on their own so that pushes people to seek it out willingly.

Pushing a second language and pushing SPANISH in particular is nonsense. I dont see the need to understand spanish and have no plans to visit a latin nation and i see no other benefit from learning spanish, so any political push is for purposes pertaining to illegal immigration.