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#1 _R34LiTY_
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One of Obama's first actions so far has been to order Guantanamo to be shut down within a year as well as all the cases of the prisoners detained there to be reviewed thoroughly.

Also he has ordered the CIA to begin closing "all secret prisons".

What do you think of this?

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Has he actually done it yet? Things are easier said then done.
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I think this pretty closely describes my view. Add onto that my personal belief that torture is morally wrong regardless of circumstances and you've got the full picture of how happy I am with one of Obama's first actions.
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Has he actually done it yet? Things are easier said then done.RushMetallica
it's done. they'll start the process today. should be done within a year.
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I'm a big opponent of Gitmo, so even though it's not going to be completely closed down for like a year, I'm happy about this.
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It'll be kind of hard to judge if he actually delivers on this. "All secret prisons"? Well if they're secret anyway it'll be hard to tell if they keep on running. And as for the detainees being thoroughly reviewed I'm not sure if he's promising to actually give them trials or just have someone look over their files and decide if they should be released or not.
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It'll be kind of hard to judge if he actually delivers on this. "All secret prisons"? Well if they're secret anyway it'll be hard to tell if they keep on running. And as for the detainees being thoroughly reviewed I'm not sure if he's promising to actually give them trials or just have someone look over their files and decide if they should be released or not.darkmoney52
Gitmo isn't a secret prison...
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Just as long as he does something with the prisoners in Guantonamo, I am fine. The people in that prison deserve any penelty they get.

And regarding those secret prisons..... not so secret anymore:P

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he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.
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It's about time is what I say.
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I'm honestly not that informed on Gitmo, but I'm glad it's getting shut down. I find torture to be morally wrong no matter the purpose or circumstance.
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he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.willtsherman
no, he's not.
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[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]It'll be kind of hard to judge if he actually delivers on this. "All secret prisons"? Well if they're secret anyway it'll be hard to tell if they keep on running. And as for the detainees being thoroughly reviewed I'm not sure if he's promising to actually give them trials or just have someone look over their files and decide if they should be released or not.Fire-of-Njozi
Gitmo isn't a secret prison...

I thought the OP said something about the CIA closing all secret prisons.
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he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.willtsherman
:lol: Please, go read up on the living conditions many prisoners face there. Regardless of what horrid crimes they've committed (I don't support what they've done), no human being should be subjected to this. Nocoolnamejim, the poster a few posts above me, posted a link that I completely agree with. If you make these people seem like they're some sort of "special" prisoner, it only fuels the problem.
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I think they should at the very least have prisons for enemy combatants to keep them from the streets, but do eliminate torture and waterboarding.
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One of Obama's first actions so far has been to order Guantanamo to be shut down within a year as well as all the cases of the prisoners detained there to be reviewed thoroughly.

Also he has ordered the CIA to begin closing "all secret prisons".

What do you think of this?

_R34LiTY_
def close down Guantanamo, it's useless keeping our prisoners in Cuba imo. IDK about secret prisions though, but if they are not in the US they should be shut down.
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he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.willtsherman
Do I laugh or do I cry at this?
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[QUOTE="willtsherman"]he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.chrisrooR
:lol: Please, go read up on the living conditions many prisoners face there. Regardless of what horrid crimes they've committed (I don't support what they've done), no human being should be subjected to this. Nocoolnamejim, the poster a few posts above me, posted a link that I completely agree with. If you make these people seem like they're some sort of "special" prisoner, it only fuels the problem.

ok the terrorists that caused 9/11, russian school massacre, munich, etc. deserve a nice comfy home, with tea time and getting set free. they are not bad people:roll:
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[QUOTE="willtsherman"]he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.xaos
Do I laugh or do I cry at this?

both. at the same time.
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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="willtsherman"]he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.willtsherman
:lol: Please, go read up on the living conditions many prisoners face there. Regardless of what horrid crimes they've committed (I don't support what they've done), no human being should be subjected to this. Nocoolnamejim, the poster a few posts above me, posted a link that I completely agree with. If you make these people seem like they're some sort of "special" prisoner, it only fuels the problem.

ok the terrorists that caused 9/11, russian school massacre, munich, etc. deserve a nice comfy home, with tea time and getting set free. they are not bad people:roll:

Omar Kadhr. Read up. Get back to me.
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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="willtsherman"]he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.willtsherman
:lol: Please, go read up on the living conditions many prisoners face there. Regardless of what horrid crimes they've committed (I don't support what they've done), no human being should be subjected to this. Nocoolnamejim, the poster a few posts above me, posted a link that I completely agree with. If you make these people seem like they're some sort of "special" prisoner, it only fuels the problem.

ok the terrorists that caused 9/11, russian school massacre, munich, etc. deserve a nice comfy home, with tea time and getting set free. they are not bad people:roll:

It's hard to tell who's there for orchestrating terrorist attacks and who's there for little to no reason at all when they don't get trials.
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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="willtsherman"]he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.willtsherman
:lol: Please, go read up on the living conditions many prisoners face there. Regardless of what horrid crimes they've committed (I don't support what they've done), no human being should be subjected to this. Nocoolnamejim, the poster a few posts above me, posted a link that I completely agree with. If you make these people seem like they're some sort of "special" prisoner, it only fuels the problem.

ok the terrorists that caused 9/11, russian school massacre, munich, etc. deserve a nice comfy home, with tea time and getting set free. they are not bad people:roll:

Do you have proof they are terrorists? Do you? If you do, why hold them indefinitely? Why not prosecute them?
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[QUOTE="willtsherman"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"] :lol: Please, go read up on the living conditions many prisoners face there. Regardless of what horrid crimes they've committed (I don't support what they've done), no human being should be subjected to this. Nocoolnamejim, the poster a few posts above me, posted a link that I completely agree with. If you make these people seem like they're some sort of "special" prisoner, it only fuels the problem.chrisrooR
ok the terrorists that caused 9/11, russian school massacre, munich, etc. deserve a nice comfy home, with tea time and getting set free. they are not bad people:roll:

Omar Kadhr. Read up. Get back to me.

i read it, we had videos of him buying grenades and land mines, he is totally inoccent, i applaud you:roll:

the terrorists should just go to concentration camps

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I think they should at the very least have prisons for enemy combatants to keep them from the streets, but do eliminate torture and waterboarding.Genetic_Code
they will. it's not closing tomorrow. it'll be reduced until they've figured out what to do with everyone that is there. in accordance with national security needs and concerns. expect it to not be fully closed and the final inmate moved until sometime next year.
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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="willtsherman"]he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.willtsherman
:lol: Please, go read up on the living conditions many prisoners face there. Regardless of what horrid crimes they've committed (I don't support what they've done), no human being should be subjected to this. Nocoolnamejim, the poster a few posts above me, posted a link that I completely agree with. If you make these people seem like they're some sort of "special" prisoner, it only fuels the problem.

ok the terrorists that caused 9/11, russian school massacre, munich, etc. deserve a nice comfy home, with tea time and getting set free. they are not bad people:roll:

I always love the straw man type arguments presented in threads like these. Straw Man: Closing down a detention center that has become synonymous with torture, civil liberty violations and the decline of American leadership and the moral high ground = giving the terrorists a "Get out of Jail Free" card. Straw Man: Stating the obvious truth that we very likely have some innocents mixed in with the guilty, and setting up a true system for how we can separate the two groups out rather than just lumping them all as "terrorists" who deserve death and torture without trial = Coddling the bad guys. Sorry, but those arguments are silly. There is absolutely no reason why we can't try and punish the guilty, while treating them strictly but HUMANELY and giving the innocent a chance to prove their innocence and get back home to their families after years of incarceration with no means for challenging their detention.
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[QUOTE="willtsherman"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"] :lol: Please, go read up on the living conditions many prisoners face there. Regardless of what horrid crimes they've committed (I don't support what they've done), no human being should be subjected to this. Nocoolnamejim, the poster a few posts above me, posted a link that I completely agree with. If you make these people seem like they're some sort of "special" prisoner, it only fuels the problem.II_Seraphim_II
ok the terrorists that caused 9/11, russian school massacre, munich, etc. deserve a nice comfy home, with tea time and getting set free. they are not bad people:roll:

Do you have proof they are terrorists? Do you? If you do, why hold them indefinitely? Why not prosecute them?

I saw Lizzie Proctor consorting with the Devil!
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[QUOTE="willtsherman"]he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.chrisrooR
:lol: Please, go read up on the living conditions many prisoners face there. Regardless of what horrid crimes they've committed (I don't support what they've done), no human being should be subjected to this. Nocoolnamejim, the poster a few posts above me, posted a link that I completely agree with. If you make these people seem like they're some sort of "special" prisoner, it only fuels the problem.

How are prisoners treated in Guantanamo?
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I think this pretty closely describes my view. Add onto that my personal belief that torture is morally wrong regardless of circumstances and you've got the full picture of how happy I am with one of Obama's first actions.nocoolnamejim
That link gave a damn good argument, some terrorists want to be viewed as legendary super-villains worthy of the most infamous prison on earth... I say that we should put them all in front of Judge Judy.
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i read it, we had videos of him buying grenades and land mines, he is totally inoccent, i applaud you:roll:

the terrorists should just go to concentration camps

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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] Do you have proof they are terrorists? Do you? If you do, why hold them indefinitely? Why not prosecute them?

Because if you prosecute them you can't torture them, silly :roll:
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I'm happy.

The Patriot Act was a nice idea, but its methods were anything but patriotic and very intrusive to the citizen. Keeping someone prisoner, without telling them why they are there, not giving them a speedy trial- these things and a whole plethora more are all against our own constitution, and honestly, the government has the power to put anyone they want in Guantanamo with or without evidence. The torture that goes on there doesn't make me sick to my stomach or anything, but I know it wrong when done to an innocent person caught in the crossfire, and that angers me a lot. Especially knowing that our "land of the free and home of the brave" is responsible for it, doesnt make me ashamed to be an American, but often it makes me think what it means nowadays to people to be an American.

I think Obama is absolutely correct and just in doing this. It's not like Guantanamo has actually stopped terrorism, or even slowed it down. Look around the world: it's not helping, there are still car bombings daily, suicide bombers, and war. Having one other place after another where innocent human beings are being tortured is not my idea of a good thing to do just to weed out a few here and there.

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[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]One of Obama's first actions so far has been to order Guantanamo to be shut down within a year as well as all the cases of the prisoners detained there to be reviewed thoroughly.

Also he has ordered the CIA to begin closing "all secret prisons".

What do you think of this?

The act itself is no surprise and would have happened regardless of who was president. I think the timing of it was very shrewd, clearly meant to establish a tone with his foreign policy and send a message to the rest of the world on day one. This was the easy part though, because now they have a year to figure out what to do with 250 prisoners that no country or prison seems to want to have anything to do with, save for maybe Switzerland.
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Yes you should fall in to terrorist demands and release prisoners, great idea!

Trust me under this president there will be more terrorist attacks on the US and you guys will see how good Bush really was.

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I wonder what exactly he meant by "Secret" prisons. Could there be another Guantanamo? [spoiler] :o Another Guantanamo?... [/spoiler]
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[QUOTE="kfjl"][QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]One of Obama's first actions so far has been to order Guantanamo to be shut down within a year as well as all the cases of the prisoners detained there to be reviewed thoroughly.

Also he has ordered the CIA to begin closing "all secret prisons".

What do you think of this?

The act itself is no surprise and would have happened regardless of who was president. I think the timing of it was very shrewd, clearly meant to establish a tone with his foreign policy and send a message to the rest of the world on day one. This was the easy part though, because now they have a year to figure out what to do with 250 prisoners that no country or prison seems to want to have anything to do with, save for maybe Switzerland.

Well where I live (Ireland) has begun making plans for providing hospitality to ex-detainees of Guantanamo, and for giving them a shot at normal life again. (That's saying that said ex-detainees have been proven innocent)
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#37 II_Seraphim_II
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Yes you should fall in to terrorist demands and release prisoners, great idea!

Trust me under this president there will be more terrorist attacks on the US and you guys will see how good Bush really was.

NZgamer007
prove to me that they are all terrorists and I will agree with you.
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Learn to read. I never said that they were releasing terrorists just prisoners.

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Yeah, habeas corpus was such a silly idea. We should just ignore anything that is remotely inconvenient in the Constitution.
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I don't see the point. Where is he going to house the current prisoners? Are they going to be tried in US courts, and if so does that mean they get constitutional rights even though they aren't citizens? Due to that fact, will all suspects be acquitted since they weren't mirandized prior to capture? Doesn't seem like this has been thought through...more like he was trying to show people that he wants to make changes from Bush.
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[QUOTE="willtsherman"]he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.chrisrooR
:lol: Please, go read up on the living conditions many prisoners face there. Regardless of what horrid crimes they've committed (I don't support what they've done), no human being should be subjected to this. Nocoolnamejim, the poster a few posts above me, posted a link that I completely agree with. If you make these people seem like they're some sort of "special" prisoner, it only fuels the problem.

I guess you have been there or maybe you just believe every single thing you read from media outlets just trying to sell papers. Plus prove they are not terrorists. I would rather be safe then sorry.
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he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.willtsherman

When was it stated that terrorists would be set free? I missed that one.

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I'm happy.

The Patriot Act was a nice idea, but its methods were anything but patriotic and very intrusive to the citizen. Keeping someone prisoner, without telling them why they are there, not giving them a speedy trial- these things and a whole plethora more are all against our own constitution, and honestly, the government has the power to put anyone they want in Guantanamo with or without evidence. The torture that goes on there doesn't make me sick to my stomach or anything, but I know it wrong when done to an innocent person caught in the crossfire, and that angers me a lot. Especially knowing that our "land of the free and home of the brave" is responsible for it, doesnt make me ashamed to be an American, but often it makes me think what it means nowadays to people to be an American.

I think Obama is absolutely correct and just in doing this. It's not like Guantanamo has actually stopped terrorism, or even slowed it down. Look around the world: it's not helping, there are still car bombings daily, suicide bombers, and war. Having one other place after another where innocent human beings are being tortured is not my idea of a good thing to do just to weed out a few here and there.

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It didn't say anything about Obama getting rid of the Patriot Act, and I'm pretty sure that he said he won't.
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guess you hav[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="willtsherman"]he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.NZgamer007
:lol: Please, go read up on the living conditions many prisoners face there. Regardless of what horrid crimes they've committed (I don't support what they've done), no human being should be subjected to this. Nocoolnamejim, the poster a few posts above me, posted a link that I completely agree with. If you make these people seem like they're some sort of "special" prisoner, it only fuels the problem.

I guess you have been there or maybe you just believe every single thing you read from media outlets just trying to sell papers. Plus prove they are not terrorists. I would rather be safe then sorry.

Be sure to remember this if you ever believe your falsely imprisoned by any authority, "better to be safe then sorry eh?"
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There were prisoners that were tortured there which is not suppose to happen in a democratic country? Part of the reason for a war on terror is to prevent the kind of things that happen at Gitmo. Another thing is people have been there for 7 years with no trial. Would anyone want to live in what is suppose to be a democratic country where anyone can be locked up and never given a trial? If they are guilty give them a trial and let them serve their time.
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I would rather be safe then sorry.NZgamer007
So if people are detained indefinitely just because there is a suspicion that said people MIGHT be terrorists, we should just relinquish their rights? I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who once said "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. "
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#47 II_Seraphim_II
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guess you hav[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="willtsherman"]he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.NZgamer007
:lol: Please, go read up on the living conditions many prisoners face there. Regardless of what horrid crimes they've committed (I don't support what they've done), no human being should be subjected to this. Nocoolnamejim, the poster a few posts above me, posted a link that I completely agree with. If you make these people seem like they're some sort of "special" prisoner, it only fuels the problem.

I guess you have been there or maybe you just believe every single thing you read from media outlets just trying to sell papers. Plus prove they are not terrorists. I would rather be safe then sorry.

Ok NZgamer, where do you get your information? If its not from the media, where are you getting all your information regarding Guantanamo? Do you have a source within the white house? in guantanamo? in cuba?
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#48 Omni-Wrath
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There were prisoners that were tortured there which is not suppose to happen in a democratic country? Part of the reason for a war on terror is to prevent the kind of things that happen at Gitmo. Another thing is people have been there for 7 years with no trial. Would anyone want to live in what is suppose to be a democratic country where anyone can be locked up and never given a trial? If they are guilty give them a trial and let them serve their time.HeyDoYaThang

Exactly I am happy Obama is actually doing this. Truly he is actually casuing some change. America is not supposed to be like the middle east where they don't give you a trail and make you suffer. But to be exact they put you to death which it better than living in Guantanomo Bay.

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[QUOTE="NZgamer007"]guess you hav[QUOTE="chrisrooR"] :lol: Please, go read up on the living conditions many prisoners face there. Regardless of what horrid crimes they've committed (I don't support what they've done), no human being should be subjected to this. Nocoolnamejim, the poster a few posts above me, posted a link that I completely agree with. If you make these people seem like they're some sort of "special" prisoner, it only fuels the problem.II_Seraphim_II
I guess you have been there or maybe you just believe every single thing you read from media outlets just trying to sell papers. Plus prove they are not terrorists. I would rather be safe then sorry.

Ok NZgamer, where do you get your information? If its not from the media, where are you getting all your information regarding Guantanamo? Do you have a source within the white house? in guantanamo? in cuba?

Maybe he knows because he's a terrorist O_O We should lock him up, just in case. Better safe than sorry :)
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#50 Maniacc1
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="NZgamer007"] I guess you have been there or maybe you just believe every single thing you read from media outlets just trying to sell papers. Plus prove they are not terrorists. I would rather be safe then sorry.xaos
Ok NZgamer, where do you get your information? If its not from the media, where are you getting all your information regarding Guantanamo? Do you have a source within the white house? in guantanamo? in cuba?

Maybe he knows because he's a terrorist O_O We should lock him up, just in case. Better safe than sorry :)

:lol: You're right!