Obama shutting down Guatanamo Bay

I'm not exactly sure of what all happened with Guantanamo, but what I do know is that he suspected terrorists were tortured and that the place is getting shut down and the people who are being held there are not wanted by their own countries, so they'll be moved to the US and gain Constitutional protection.

Personally, I support Obama to move them out and close the place down. Torture is immoral, and doing it isn't going to stop terrorists from doing it to our troops.

Ah I didn't know that thank u. But they should change that. Definitely. Don't you reckon?!biggest_loser

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="NZgamer007"]Do people in this thread care about their safety? People in Guatanamo Bay have done something to be put there they don't just get chucked in there for looking like they are terriosts, little more logic please people.NZgamer007

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="willtsherman"]he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.willtsherman

I'm not exactly sure of what all happened with Guantanamo, but what I do know is that he suspected terrorists were tortured and that the place is getting shut down and the people who are being held there are not wanted by their own countries, so they'll be moved to the US and gain Constitutional protection.

Personally, I support Obama to move them out and close the place down. Torture is immoral, and doing it isn't going to stop terrorists from doing it to our troops.

nintendofreak_2

i know right..... they need to come to the us and shoot more people hooray!!XD4NTESINF3RNOX

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I have to say, we should definitely end the torture at Guantanamo, but he should not let the prisoners go free.

I seriously hope he at least keeps them detained somewhere because of the horrors they have done.

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guess you hav[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="willtsherman"]he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.NZgamer007

You would hate that, wouldn't you? If you were traveling in another country when it happened, you would expect The U.S. to fight for your release, right?

d the[QUOTE="NZgamer007"]guess you hav[QUOTE="chrisrooR"] :lol: Please, go read up on the living conditions many prisoners face there. Regardless of what horrid crimes they've committed (I don't support what they've done), no human being should be subjected to this. Nocoolnamejim, the poster a few posts above me, posted a link that I completely agree with. If you make these people seem like they're some sort of "special" prisoner, it only fuels the problem.TBoogy

You would hate that, wouldn't you? If you were traveling in another country when it happened, you would expect The U.S. to fight for your release, right?

I hope they get a worse punishment than they already have. Mario2007

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d the[QUOTE="NZgamer007"] I guess you have been there or maybe you just believe every single thing you read from media outlets just trying to sell papers. Plus prove they are not terrorists. I would rather be safe then sorry.chrisrooR

You would hate that, wouldn't you? If you were traveling in another country when it happened, you would expect The U.S. to fight for your release, right?

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="TBoogy"] Those last two sentences are very dumb. Imagine you were near a group of people in your home town and a fight broke out. One guy got killed. The cops arrest you and the rest of the group, saying "He may have participated. Better safe than sorry". They don't have any eveidence though, so they just hold you indefinately. You ask when you would be let go, and they say "When you can prove you didn't kill him".

You would hate that, wouldn't you? If you were traveling in another country when it happened, you would expect The U.S. to fight for your release, right?

NZgamer007

The problem I have with the prison is that I don't really care about what they do to them, but due to the policy America's had, they are probably a lot of innocent people there suffering for crimes they never committed.

Not being able to have a proper trial makes it very possible that a vast number of the prisoners in guantanamo bay are actually not guilty of committing any terrorist acts. One example is this reporter for al jazeera tv who was sent to prison without any evidence that he did anything, just because in the wrong place in the wrong time.

What I would love is if he changed that whole policy as a whole, thus providing innocent people with their freedom and putting the persons who committed terrorist acts to a trial in which a judge decides their future after looking at all the evidence.

PS: sorry for my bad english.

It's incredibly ironic that you have a bible in your avatar yet...Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]It's incredibly ironic that you have a bible in your avatar yet...mysterylobster

If they are 'secret' prisons, then how will we know if he has closed them?

he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.willtsherman

[QUOTE="willtsherman"]he's a dummy, he's letting the terrorists go free.YouAmStupid

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]It's incredibly ironic that you have a bible in your avatar yet...Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"] This discussion has nothing to do with my religion, so please trying to bait me into a religious discussion when this is about protecting America. Also, I suggest you read the Bible before making comments like this. mysterylobster

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] I think he's pointing out the irony of the "religious" guy supporting torture.Engrish_Major

Don't use the word "obviously" if you don't know what you're talking about. Jesus knew about torture, and used it as an example of what would happen to unbelievers during Judgment. Nowhere did Jesus say "don't dunk an enemy's head in the water." mysterylobster

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"] Don't use the word "obviously" if you don't know what you're talking about. Jesus knew about torture, and used it as an example of what would happen to unbelievers during Judgment. Nowhere did Jesus say "don't dunk an enemy's head in the water." Engrish_Major

You're projecting your modern sensibilities onto Jesus Christ. Don't worry, it's a common mistake. mysterylobster

Not a mistake at all. From Jesus himself:

"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." Matthew 5:38-44

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"] You're projecting your modern sensibilities onto Jesus Christ. Don't worry, it's a common mistake. Engrish_Major

Not a mistake at all. From Jesus himself:

"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." Matthew 5:38-44

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"] You're projecting your modern sensibilities onto Jesus Christ. Don't worry, it's a common mistake. mysterylobster

Not a mistake at all. From Jesus himself:

"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." Matthew 5:38-44

The exact same argument can be applied to their point of view. Assuming they ARE actually terrorists, mind.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"] You're projecting your modern sensibilities onto Jesus Christ. Don't worry, it's a common mistake. mysterylobster

Not a mistake at all. From Jesus himself:

"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." Matthew 5:38-44

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

Not a mistake at all. From Jesus himself:

"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." Matthew 5:38-44

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[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"] We are doing good to those who hate us. They wish to destroy our way of life, and we could respond by doing the same to them. We're only doing what's best to keep the peace. mysterylobster

i'm sure glad there's a separation of church and state. How do you know these prisoners are terrorists?

[QUOTE="links136"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"] We are doing good to those who hate us. They wish to destroy our way of life, and we could respond by doing the same to them. We're only doing what's best to keep the peace. mysterylobster

Killing people, no matter what they've done, is not Christian. The Bible pretty much makes it clear that as a Christian you're not supposed to attack another person. Even if they want to kill you you're pretty much supposed to just stand there and let them do it and hope that God intervenes or that you lived a moral enough life to get into heaven. Sadly, most Christians seem to have long forgotten that part of the religion and instead think that Jesus wants them to spread His message at any cost.

The Old Testament God certainly would advocate wholesale slaughter of an entire region's people if it meant His followers would get even the slightest marginal benefit out of it, but Jesus was quite a bit different from that guy.

I don't think you understood what I said. These extremists want to kill all Christians, and if they obtain nuclear weapons, the results would be catastrophic. We as Christians will not respond to this with such violence, but we do have a moral obligation to protect the innocent. Torture is an effective means of ending this conflict in a way that won't end with the destruction of both sides. mysterylobster

Torture is an effective means of ending this conflict in a way that won't end with the destruction of both sides. mysterylobster

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]Torture is an effective means of ending this conflict in a way that won't end with the destruction of both sides. Engrish_Major

So it's basically come down to grown ups acting like children? "He started it?" AirGuitarist87