Obama Supports DNA Sampling Upon Arrest

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#151 HoolaHoopMan
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How exactly is this too different from taking fingerprints when arrested? Both are unique to every person.
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#152 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Ringx55"]Why are people opposed to this? So what if they have your DNA? As long as you don't commit any other crimes you won't lose anything. Its for the better in the end.

I'd rather them not clone me? One Vandal is enough for this world.
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#153 Fuhgeddabouditt
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The Patriot Act is worst.
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#154 BuryMe
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Why are people opposed to this? So what if they have your DNA? As long as you don't commit any other crimes you won't lose anything. Its for the better in the end.Ringx55
Don't kid your self. Lots of people are wrongfully arrested.

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#155 Theokhoth
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I suppose using people's fingerprints is an infringement of liberties now?
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#156 mattbbpl
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[QUOTE="Ringx55"]Why are people opposed to this? So what if they have your DNA? As long as you don't commit any other crimes you won't lose anything. Its for the better in the end.Vandalvideo
I'd rather them not clone me? One Vandal is enough for this world.

Holy cripes, he's right! I was going to be on board for this, but the thought of two Vandals has scared me straight!

Just kidding, you're alright, kid! :P

Despite my usual pro-privacy stance, I'm OK with this. It seems similar to recording finger prints to me.
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#157 xscrapzx
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Hey don't put yourself in a position where you will have to give your DNA. I think its pretty obvious if you are getting your DNA sampled then you know what? You were doing something that you weren't supposed tobe doingin the first place. With that being said, if you aren't doing anything wrong, then you'll be fine.

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#158 CRS98
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Hey don't put yourself in a position where you will have to give your DNA. I think its pretty obvious if you are getting your DNA sampled then you know what? You were doing something that you weren't supposed tobe doingin the first place. With that being said, if you aren't doing anything wrong, then you'll be fine.

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#159 Tauruslink
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The Patriot Act is worst. Fuhgeddabouditt
Absolutely agree.
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#160 vidplayer8
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The biggest issue I see with doing this is that if they begin to use the DNA for anything else. I'm okay with doing this, as long as it just sits somewhere.

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#161 mattbbpl
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[QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"]The Patriot Act is worst. Tauruslink
Absolutely agree.

Isn't that supposed to expire relatively soon? (assuming Obama doesn't renew it, of course)

Edit: It appears it's now permanent. :(

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#162 mattbbpl
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The biggest issue I see with doing this is that if they begin to use the DNA for anything else. I'm okay with doing this, as long as it just sits somewhere.

vidplayer8
What else would they do with it?
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#163 coolbeans90
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Once again I disagree with Barack Obama, although I am sure the Republicans would not oppose this measure were they in power as it reeks of "The Patriot Act" stench. It certainly seems to be an unreasonable amount of information to entrust to a monopolistic entity.

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#164 danwallacefan
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]So if you get arrested for disturbing the peace...you think it's reasonable for the government to have your DNA? Because I find that very unreasonable.Vandalvideo
Sure, if they frame the search as a means to weed out people with disadvantageous genes that may need specialized care, or if they find a 'murderer' gene like they have been discussing, it could help as well. There are numerous advances in geneology which may aid the efficient operation of a prison.

If the end is to fight crime, then should they also be allowed to search my house, my car, and tap my phones if I'm arrested for disturbing the peace?

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#165 vidplayer8
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[QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

The biggest issue I see with doing this is that if they begin to use the DNA for anything else. I'm okay with doing this, as long as it just sits somewhere.

mattbbpl

What else would they do with it?

Anything I can think of just sounds like science fiction.

But a thought just popped into my head, what if the whole database gets hacked? Its not like the federal government hasn't been hacked before amirite?

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#166 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]So if you get arrested for disturbing the peace...you think it's reasonable for the government to have your DNA? Because I find that very unreasonable.danwallacefan

Sure, if they frame the search as a means to weed out people with disadvantageous genes that may need specialized care, or if they find a 'murderer' gene like they have been discussing, it could help as well. There are numerous advances in geneology which may aid the efficient operation of a prison.

If the end is to fight crime, then should they also be allowed to search my house, my car, and tap my phones if I'm arrested for disturbing the peace?

If they have a warrant, yes.
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#167 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

The biggest issue I see with doing this is that if they begin to use the DNA for anything else. I'm okay with doing this, as long as it just sits somewhere.

vidplayer8

What else would they do with it?

Anything I can think of just sounds like science fiction.

But a thought just popped into my head, what if the whole database gets hacked? Its not like the federal government hasn't been hacked before amirite?

What are people going to do with a bunch of files of DNA?
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#168 danwallacefan
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[QUOTE="danwallacefan"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Sure, if they frame the search as a means to weed out people with disadvantageous genes that may need specialized care, or if they find a 'murderer' gene like they have been discussing, it could help as well. There are numerous advances in geneology which may aid the efficient operation of a prison. PannicAtack

If the end is to fight crime, then should they also be allowed to search my house, my car, and tap my phones if I'm arrested for disturbing the peace?

If they have a warrant, yes.

well why do they get to take my DNA without a warrant?

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#169 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="danwallacefan"] If the end is to fight crime, then should they also be allowed to search my house, my car, and tap my phones if I'm arrested for disturbing the peace?

danwallacefan

If they have a warrant, yes.

well why do they get to take my DNA without a warrant?

My thoughts exactly.

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#170 Toriko42
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This is a good idea actually
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#171 LostProphetFLCL
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Don't understand the oppossition here. If anything this will likely help cut down on the number of false convictions simply because they will have more DNA to try and match with, which they can then easily find said criminal rather than trying to make a weaker case against someone who is just a suspect.

After all, it is DNA evidence that is EXONERATING people who have been sentenced to death.

The only concern here is that the info needs to be handled properly. Just saw a case on TV where they had the criminal, thought they had the DNA evidence on him, he claims innocence and demands a blood test which turned out NEGATIVE......because he had switched his DNA with someone else and they eventually found that out....

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#172 MarcusAntonius
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Obama has had his supermajority and has accomplished next to nothing except more debt. To blame things on a nearly powerless Republican minority is absurd.

PannicAtack

Oh, please. The Bush administration left us with 1.3 trillion dollars in debt. I can sure as hell blame a Republican administration and a Republican congress for that.

And we're on our way to 9.7 trillion, your point?

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#173 PerfectCircles
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Sounds good to me I have nothing to hide, I think everyones DNA should be on record it would help solve a lot of crimes like murder or rape.
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#174 dkrustyklown
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[QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] What else would they do with it?PannicAtack

Anything I can think of just sounds like science fiction.

But a thought just popped into my head, what if the whole database gets hacked? Its not like the federal government hasn't been hacked before amirite?

What are people going to do with a bunch of files of DNA?

Frame political enemies for crimes that they did not commit.

Some people here act as if though no government official in position of authority has ever been motivated by malice to frame a rival unjustly. Some people here act as if though corruption in government has never happened in the past and will never happen in the future.

If you think that government is beyond the vice of corruption, then I have some freshly opened land in Micronesia to sell to you..

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#175 htekemerald
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1984 here we come!

Finger prints are one thing

Something that contains genetic information, which can tell you numerous things about the persons is another. Hey you are susceptible to cancer, no life insurance or health care for you!

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#176 dkrustyklown
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[QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

The biggest issue I see with doing this is that if they begin to use the DNA for anything else. I'm okay with doing this, as long as it just sits somewhere.

mattbbpl

What else would they do with it?

Here's another scary thing that could happen with your DNA on file. A prominent governor, with friends in high places and many political favors owed to him, finds out that he has a rare form of cancer of the liver and needs a transplant. After searching legal means for a donor without success, the governor turns to the criminal DNA database for answers. He stumbles upon your DNA, collected by authorities during the investigation of a crime of which you were exonerated, and finds that it is a suitable match for a liver transplant.

You disappear while the governor makes a miraculous recovery just in time for the next presidential election. The media hails the governor's medical recovery and praises his fortitude while you are but a brief footnote on page 7. The governor goes on to become president while your disappearance is tossed in the pile along with the thousands of other missing persons cases that happen every year.

A great many people in our government and in governments around the world are corrupt enough to carry on such a scheme.

Don't believe me? Search "Israel harvests the organs of Palestinians". Good day.

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#177 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

Anything I can think of just sounds like science fiction.

But a thought just popped into my head, what if the whole database gets hacked? Its not like the federal government hasn't been hacked before amirite?

dkrustyklown

What are people going to do with a bunch of files of DNA?

Frame political enemies for crimes that they did not commit.

Some people here act as if though no government official in position of authority has ever been motivated by malice to frame a rival unjustly. Some people here act as if though corruption in government has never happened in the past and will never happen in the future.

If you think that government is beyond the vice of corruption, then I have some freshly opened land in Micronesia to sell to you..

Of course everyone knows governments can be corrupt, but its not like it happens every second like you're implying.