Obama supports LIFTING the global ban on whaling for countries that still whale.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/05/obama-backing-deal-lift-global-ban-commercial-whaling/

http://www.change.org/petitions/view/dont_let_president_obama_lift_the_whaling_ban_not_on_earth_day_not_ever

"The Obama administration is leading an effort within the International Whaling Commission to lift a 24-year international ban on commercial whaling for Japan, Norway and Iceland, the remaining three countries in the 88-member commission that still hunt whales.

The administration argues that the new deal will save thousands of whales over the next decade by stopping the three countries from illegally exploiting loopholes in the moratorium...

Several environmental groups have joined forces to pressure Obama to withdraw his support for the deal before the whaling commission votes June 20 in Morocco on whether to lift the ban that was championed by President Reagan."

...Wow, yet another idiotic position taken by this joke of an administration. Now they're sanctioning the killing of an endangered species and attempting to spin it as a move that will reduce the killing of that species. So instead of killing them "illegally," Japan, Norway, and Iceland can kill them "legally." Yea, Barack...that will sure fix the problem.

Did you know that NASA uses whale oil for lubricant?

Did you know that NASA uses whale oil for lubricant?

topgunmv

So, that makes killing an endangered species acceptable...how?

Did you know that NASA uses whale oil for lubricant?

topgunmv

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Did you know that NASA uses whale oil for lubricant?

Communistik

So, that makes killing an endangered species acceptable...how?

I didn't say it did. It's just interesting that publicly we as a country cry foul, and then reap the benefits behind closed doors.

If there are loopholes wouldn't you want to fix it?

I would fully research the issue before heaping condemnation on the administration. I'm not a fan of Obama either, but I also know little about the research that is being used to explain how this will affect whale populations.

[QUOTE="Communistik"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Did you know that NASA uses whale oil for lubricant?

topgunmv

So, that makes killing an endangered species acceptable...how?

I didn't say it did. It's just interesting that publicly we as a country cry foul, and then reap the benefits behind closed doors.

Some people hunt whales to survive, just putting that out there.

...Wow, yet another idiotic position taken by this joke of an administration. Now they're sanctioning the killing of an endangered species and attempting to spin it as a move that will reduce the killing of that species. So instead of killing them "illegally," Japan, Norway, and Iceland can kill them "legally." Yea, Barack...that will sure fix the problem.

Communistik

haha, joke of an administration, Barack is doing a hell of a lot better than bush, I agree the whale issue is the ONE idiotic thing he has done, but joke of an administration? you have been watching too much fox news my friend

Some people hunt whales to survive, just putting that out there.

enix165

[QUOTE="enix165"]

Some people hunt whales to survive, just putting that out there.

all it does is stop illegal whaling, which is faaaar worse. if they do it legally, they can be controlled about when, where and how much they do it...

Critics of the administration will have a whale of a time due to this.

[QUOTE="Communistik"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Did you know that NASA uses whale oil for lubricant?

topgunmv

So, that makes killing an endangered species acceptable...how?

I didn't say it did. It's just interesting that publicly we as a country cry foul, and then reap the benefits behind closed doors.

So, even if we don't support whaling, we are somehow all hypocrites because NASA chooses to kill whales? It's not as if we have a say in the matter.

Critics of the administration will have a whale of a time due to this.

T_P_O

all it does is stop illegal whaling, which is faaaar worse. if they do it legally, they can be controlled about when, where and how much they do it...

gamedude2020

If there are loopholes wouldn't you want to fix it?

SgtKevali

This is akin to making, say, rape legal for people who are already rapists. How does making rape legal for rapists stop them from raping people? It doesn't. And if those three countries completely ignored a moratorium on whaling for the past 24 years, what in god's name makes the administration think they will suddenly start complying with regulations on whaling just because it's technically "legal"? (of course, it's already legal in those three countries and always has been; the international whaling commission has no weight, sort of like the UN). It fixes the loopholes in the moratorum by removing them. This is going to do nothing, and it's a terrible message.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Communistik"]

So, that makes killing an endangered species acceptable...how?

Communistik

I didn't say it did. It's just interesting that publicly we as a country cry foul, and then reap the benefits behind closed doors.

So, even if we don't support whaling, we are somehow all hypocrites because NASA chooses to kill whales? It's not as if we have a say in the matter.

The government is hypocritical for not supporting whaling and then using whale oil in government funded programs.

[QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

all it does is stop illegal whaling, which is faaaar worse. if they do it legally, they can be controlled about when, where and how much they do it...

Jfisch93

i don't know, but i'm assuming this is Obama's intention...

Oh please, like the right suddenly cares about the whales. :roll: Anyway, I disagree with him. Hope he changes his mind or something.Tauruslink

Oh yes, because the "evil right" wants to destroy the entire planet along with all of the animals on it. Give me a ****ing break.

If what you say is true, I'm sure they could use a different, synthetic grease.

Pirate700

yeah probably this guy produces a lot of grease we can use.

[QUOTE="Communistik"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

I didn't say it did. It's just interesting that publicly we as a country cry foul, and then reap the benefits behind closed doors.

topgunmv

So, even if we don't support whaling, we are somehow all hypocrites because NASA chooses to kill whales? It's not as if we have a say in the matter.

The government is hypocritical for not supporting whaling and then using whale oil in government funded programs.

Yes, the government is. Most people don't support whaling.

But anyways...they apparently support it now. I guess they are no longer hypocrites.

[QUOTE="Communistik"]

...Wow, yet another idiotic position taken by this joke of an administration. Now they're sanctioning the killing of an endangered species and attempting to spin it as a move that will reduce the killing of that species. So instead of killing them "illegally," Japan, Norway, and Iceland can kill them "legally." Yea, Barack...that will sure fix the problem.

Ryir554

haha, joke of an administration, Barack is doing a hell of a lot better than bush, I agree the whale issue is the ONE idiotic thing he has done, but joke of an administration? you have been watching too much fox news my friend

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

If there are loopholes wouldn't you want to fix it?

Communistik

This is akin to making, say, rape legal for people who are already rapists. How does making rape legal for rapists stop them from raping people? It doesn't. And if those three countries completely ignored a moratorium on whaling for the past 24 years, what in god's name makes the administration think they will suddenly start complying with regulations on whaling just because it's technically "legal"? (of course, it's already legal in those three countries and always has been; the international whaling commission has no weight, sort of like the UN). It fixes the loopholes in the moratorum by removing them. This is going to do nothing, and it's a terrible message.

I think there's probably more to this story. Whether it's in a positive or negative way, I'm not sure.

I doubt the Obama admin. is doing this for the sake of doing it.

[QUOTE="Ryir554"]

[QUOTE="Communistik"]

...Wow, yet another idiotic position taken by this joke of an administration. Now they're sanctioning the killing of an endangered species and attempting to spin it as a move that will reduce the killing of that species. So instead of killing them "illegally," Japan, Norway, and Iceland can kill them "legally." Yea, Barack...that will sure fix the problem.

tachikoma679

haha, joke of an administration, Barack is doing a hell of a lot better than bush, I agree the whale issue is the ONE idiotic thing he has done, but joke of an administration? you have been watching too much fox news my friend

It's not even about Fox News, which I don't even watch. Nor do I watch any TV news. It's about common sense, and this the latest of many signs that Barack Obama has none.

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]Oh please, like the right suddenly cares about the whales. :roll: Anyway, I disagree with him. Hope he changes his mind or something.Communistik

Oh yes, because the "evil right" wants to destroy the entire planet along with all of the animals on it. Give me a ****ing break.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Communistik"]

So, even if we don't support whaling, we are somehow all hypocrites because NASA chooses to kill whales? It's not as if we have a say in the matter.

Communistik

The government is hypocritical for not supporting whaling and then using whale oil in government funded programs.

Yes, the government is. Most people don't support whaling.

But anyways...they apparently support it now. I guess they are no longer hypocrites.

Whale oil also makes space operations possible, as it's currently the only lubricant that works properly in the cold temperature in space. Assuming you use products that can have their origins traced back to NASA, then you're benefiting off whaling.

[QUOTE="Communistik"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

The government is hypocritical for not supporting whaling and then using whale oil in government funded programs.

topgunmv

Yes, the government is. Most people don't support whaling.

But anyways...they apparently support it now. I guess they are no longer hypocrites.

Whale oil also makes space operations possible, as it's currently the only lubricant that works properly in the cold temperature in space. Assuming you use products that can have their origins traced back to NASA, then you're benefiting off whaling.

I lol'd.

Not a good decision...again...

I'm for it.. much easier to regulate people...

[QUOTE="tachikoma679"][QUOTE="Ryir554"]

haha, joke of an administration, Barack is doing a hell of a lot better than bush, I agree the whale issue is the ONE idiotic thing he has done, but joke of an administration? you have been watching too much fox news my friend

Communistik

It's not even about Fox News, which I don't even watch. Nor do I watch any TV news. It's about common sense, and this the latest of many signs that Barack Obama has none.

what are the other signs the Obama has "no sense"? seriously this is the one issue of his that I can honestly disagree with and I dont consider myself a liberal. are you talking about health care? really I want to know if you have legitamate reasons for hating Obama or if your just ranting because you finally have a real reason to not like his administrations policies

i don't know.... but just because something is illegal, doesn't mean people don't do it. Theirs no point i sticking your head in the sand and hoping it won't happen, they might as well do something about it. It's supposed to be the 21st century but we still have pirates floating around and thousands of people get kidnapped every day, so it would be impossible to enforce a ban on illegal whaling

maybe they are doing to trying control whaling, but like someone else said that could be just political talk

[QUOTE="Communistik"]

[QUOTE="tachikoma679"] somebody hasnt been watching enough fox newsRyir554

It's not even about Fox News, which I don't even watch. Nor do I watch any TV news. It's about common sense, and this the latest of many signs that Barack Obama has none.

what are the other signs the Obama has "no sense"? seriously this is the one issue of his that I can honestly disagree with and I dont consider myself a liberal. are you talking about health care? really I want to know if you have legitamate reasons for hating Obama or if your just ranting because you finally have a real reason to not like his administrations policies

If you're a conservative/libertarian then there's plenty of reason's to disagree with Obama's policies and actions...

If you hated Bush, then you should also hate Obama considering he's continuing many of his policies. Bush wasn't a true conservative at all.

What an idiot. Instead of inforcing the laws that will protect a species, he'll just take the easy way out and let them get killed. He's worse than Bush...

This is a good idea. :| If you legalize it and impose limits on it and actually police whaling it's better than just saying 'it's illegal' and leaving it at that, leaving people to illegally whale all they like with no restriction. Ninja-Hippo

So you'd rather have him enforce meaningless wars in the middle east instead of inforcing a law to protect an entire species? If the US put as much effort into stopping whaling as they do killing in the middle east, this wouldn't be an issue. The president is WEAK in so many ways.

So you'd rather have him enforce meaningless wars in the middle east instead of inforcing a law to protect an entire species? If the US put as much effort into stopping whaling as they do killing in the middle east, this wouldn't be an issue. The president is WEAK in so many ways.

Loco_Live

no matter how many ships you put out their, it would be near impossible to stop every whaler... do you know how many ships get hijacked in Somalia every day? And the us-uk patrol those waters all the time

Good. We have no business telling those countries how to run their economies.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]This is a good idea. :| If you legalize it and impose limits on it and actually police whaling it's better than just saying 'it's illegal' and leaving it at that, leaving people to illegally whale all they like with no restriction. Loco_Live

So you'd rather have him enforce meaningless wars in the middle east instead of inforcing a law to protect an entire species? If the US put as much effort into stopping whaling as they do killing in the middle east, this wouldn't be an issue. The president is WEAK in so many ways.