Obama tries to shorten Summer Vacation!?!?!

I think it's a great idea...we are lagging behind and I think kids need more time in school so teachers can cover more subjects, and the go into further detail.

And this is why we dont vote democrat, Obamas gonna screw up our country, and we wouldn't be at a disadvantage if every school was private.

megahaloman64

Yeah...more school time for our children is a sure fire way to "screw up our country" :roll:

I'm not able to read that article, but in all honestly school should be from 10am to 5pm instead of 8 to 3, or whenever schools do it now a days. And more days in school is always good as well. I think there needs to be more variation in what they teach though, the current system of learning is very poor. If someone obviously excels in one subject but is only average in another, it can only help to allow a student have more specialized education in what they excel at, not this general "one size fits all" education. I was atleast aware enough to know what I wanted to learn and what I didnt want to learn in the 4th grade and after that, at that point the "one size fits all" education breaks down and goes downhill from there.

And this is why we dont vote democrat, Obamas gonna screw up our country, and we wouldn't be at a disadvantage if every school was private.

megahaloman64

I have 3 months of summer vacation where I live. Take that, world!

Wrong move Obama. I'd be mad pissed.

It's a great move...education has been lacking in this country for a while.

What I'd like to see happen is for them to roll back this no child left behind non-sense, stop with the focus on standardized testing (which is taking up too much time in school), and give teachers more time/resources to go back to the basics of education. We need to teach kids how to think critically and challenge them...not teach them how to pass tests.

Obama needs to stop trying to reform what doesn't need reforming. First healthcare (I'm happy it got shot down) and now this. If every school was private, education wouldn't be an issue. And where does obama think hes getting the money for this from? Whats he gonna do next, dismantle our military (I hope he didn't read and get ideas from that)

Obama needs to stop trying to reform what doesn't need reforming. First healthcare (I'm happy it got shot down) and now this. If every school was private, education wouldn't be an issue. And where does obama think hes getting the money for this from? Whats he gonna do next, dismantle our military (I hope he didn't read and get ideas from that)

megahaloman64

Obama needs to stop trying to reform what doesn't need reforming. First healthcare (I'm happy it got shot down) and now this. If every school was private, education wouldn't be an issue. And where does obama think hes getting the money for this from? Whats he gonna do next, dismantle our military (I hope he didn't read and get ideas from that)

megahaloman64

I personally think that more school days won't do anything. I think that we should change the times of school days from 8 to 2:30 (In my school) to 10 to 4:30.JC346

[QUOTE="megahaloman64"]

Obama needs to stop trying to reform what doesn't need reforming. First healthcare (I'm happy it got shot down) and now this. If every school was private, education wouldn't be an issue. And where does obama think hes getting the money for this from? Whats he gonna do next, dismantle our military (I hope he didn't read and get ideas from that)

sSubZerOo

you do realize that if you have a job you can get health benifits, and when i say make every school private, I mean the government giving people money to put their kids in the schho of their choice.

Obama needs to stop trying to reform what doesn't need reforming. First healthcare (I'm happy it got shot down) and now this. If every school was private, education wouldn't be an issue. And where does obama think hes getting the money for this from? Whats he gonna do next, dismantle our military (I hope he didn't read and get ideas from that)

megahaloman64

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="megahaloman64"]

Obama needs to stop trying to reform what doesn't need reforming. First healthcare (I'm happy it got shot down) and now this. If every school was private, education wouldn't be an issue. And where does obama think hes getting the money for this from? Whats he gonna do next, dismantle our military (I hope he didn't read and get ideas from that)

you do realize that if you have a job you can get health benifits, and when i say make every school private, I mean the government giving people money to put their kids in the schho of their choice.

Its either that or lengthen the school day which is not a horrible idea, at least for smaller kids since parents can work.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="megahaloman64"]

Obama needs to stop trying to reform what doesn't need reforming. First healthcare (I'm happy it got shot down) and now this. If every school was private, education wouldn't be an issue. And where does obama think hes getting the money for this from? Whats he gonna do next, dismantle our military (I hope he didn't read and get ideas from that)

megahaloman64

you do realize that if you have a job you can get health benifits, and when i say make every school private, I mean the government giving people money to put their kids in the schho of their choice.

Because everyone in the nation is employed:roll:

Lets also not forget that in that case if you change jobs you lose your coverage.

As for the voucher system, that COULD be a good idea ON TOP of Obama's plan to make school longer. If research is showing flat out an increase in test scores and such I see NO REASON why we shouldn't be supporting it. It is simply pathetic that with all our amazing resources we have here in the US that we test so low. Just about as pathetic as our healthcare system ranings....

[QUOTE="megahaloman64"]

Our healthcare service is ranked like in 37th compared to other nations.. It is also bankrupting people left and right, one of the largest causes for bankrupcy is due to the health care system.. And it is also getting steam rolled into the ground, its pretty common knowledge our system is steam rolling in the ground.. Secondly private schools are predominately religious and very expensive.. Something especially during these harsh times parents simply can not afford.. Or do not support due to religious implications.. And he should cut the military, we do not need that size military in the 21st century.. Our military budget is massive greater than every other countries in the world combined, and its rarely used for defense seeing as the vast majority of wars in the past 60 years has been pre empitive attacks..sSubZerOo

you do realize that if you have a job you can get health benifits, and when i say make every school private, I mean the government giving people money to put their kids in the schho of their choice.

Because everyone in the nation is employed:roll:

Lets also not forget that in that case if you change jobs you lose your coverage.

As for the voucher system, that COULD be a good idea ON TOP of Obama's plan to make school longer. If research is showing flat out an increase in test scores and such I see NO REASON why we shouldn't be supporting it. It is simply pathetic that with all our amazing resources we have here in the US that we test so low. Just about as pathetic as our healthcare system ranings....

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="megahaloman64"]

you do realize that if you have a job you can get health benifits, and when i say make every school private, I mean the government giving people money to put their kids in the schho of their choice.

sSubZerOo

Because everyone in the nation is employed:roll:

Lets also not forget that in that case if you change jobs you lose your coverage.

As for the voucher system, that COULD be a good idea ON TOP of Obama's plan to make school longer. If research is showing flat out an increase in test scores and such I see NO REASON why we shouldn't be supporting it. It is simply pathetic that with all our amazing resources we have here in the US that we test so low. Just about as pathetic as our healthcare system ranings....

Yea we lay down the hardcore pwnzorz on any nation that looks at us funny.

America, **** yeah!

i swear.......Obama if you pass this i will personally hunt you down:P nah but seriously that is stupid

l4dak47

Yup.

I have a feeling this isn't so much to improve education, but to create jobs and help out the teachers union. Think of all the extra work: bus drivers, lunch ladies, etc.

This is NOT a solution to improve education. Many people are saying 'Good. The current education sucks anyway.' (to paraphrase).

Why would MORE time improve education? That's like saying going to a bad mechanic will give better results if he spends MORE time on your car.

When a professional KNOWS what they are doing, time isn't so critical. My best teachers where I learned the most weren't the ones with the most homework: it was those that could teach well and had effective curriculums.

You want to spend more time in a bad education system? That's going to give you better results? I don't think so.

The one thing we should be borrowing from Japan is some of their teaching techiniques and slimmer textbooks. Ever see a Japanese text book? You'd laugh if all you've been saddled with are the American ones. But when you actually do an anaylsis, the Japanese one makes sense.

Throwing more time and money at a problem is just a waste unless you address the actual issues.

I have a feeling this isn't so much to improve education, but to create jobs and help out the teachers union. Think of all the extra work: bus drivers, lunch ladies, etc.

This is NOT a solution to improve education. Many people are saying 'Good. The current education sucks anyway.' (to paraphrase).

Why would MORE time improve education? That's like saying going to a bad mechanic will give better results if he spends MORE time on your car.

When a professional KNOWS what they are doing, time isn't so critical. My best teachers where I learned the most weren't the ones with the most homework: it was those that could teach well and had effective curriculums.

You want to spend more time in a bad education system? That's going to give you better results? I don't think so.

The one thing we should be borrowing from Japan is some of their teaching techiniques and slimmer textbooks. Ever see a Japanese text book? You'd laugh if all you've been saddled with are the American ones. But when you actually do an anaylsis, the Japanese one makes sense.

Throwing more time and money at a problem is just a waste unless you address the actual issues.

flazzle

More work. No more money.

I have a feeling this isn't so much to improve education, but to create jobs and help out the teachers union. Think of all the extra work: bus drivers, lunch ladies, etc.

This is NOT a solution to improve education. Many people are saying 'Good. The current education sucks anyway.' (to paraphrase).

Why would MORE time improve education? That's like saying going to a bad mechanic will give better results if he spends MORE time on your car.

When a professional KNOWS what they are doing, time isn't so critical. My best teachers where I learned the most weren't the ones with the most homework: it was those that could teach well and had effective curriculums.

You want to spend more time in a bad education system? That's going to give you better results? I don't think so.

The one thing we should be borrowing from Japan is some of their teaching techiniques and slimmer textbooks. Ever see a Japanese text book? You'd laugh if all you've been saddled with are the American ones. But when you actually do an anaylsis, the Japanese one makes sense.

Throwing more time and money at a problem is just a waste unless you address the actual issues.

flazzle

I personally think that more school days won't do anything. I think that we should change the times of school days from 8 to 2:30 (In my school) to 10 to 4:30.JC346

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]How long do you get in the US? We have 6 weeks in England, but much of Europe has longer summer hols.jakehouston88

3 months, June - August into school early September.

:D

You get WAY to much holiday. It should be like the UK, reduced by half. :|

I have a feeling this isn't so much to improve education, but to create jobs and help out the teachers union. Think of all the extra work: bus drivers, lunch ladies, etc.

This is NOT a solution to improve education. Many people are saying 'Good. The current education sucks anyway.' (to paraphrase).

Why would MORE time improve education? That's like saying going to a bad mechanic will give better results if he spends MORE time on your car.

When a professional KNOWS what they are doing, time isn't so critical. My best teachers where I learned the most weren't the ones with the most homework: it was those that could teach well and had effective curriculums.

You want to spend more time in a bad education system? That's going to give you better results? I don't think so.

The one thing we should be borrowing from Japan is some of their teaching techiniques and slimmer textbooks. Ever see a Japanese text book? You'd laugh if all you've been saddled with are the American ones. But when you actually do an anaylsis, the Japanese one makes sense.

Throwing more time and money at a problem is just a waste unless you address the actual issues.

flazzle

More time = more topics to cover = more in depth education That analogy is terrible.

Also, it's funny you mentioned Japan too...if I am not mistaken their summer break is only one month long and their school year is longer (number of days/year).

And as already mentioned, there are documentated examples showing more time in school has positive results,

If you read the article you would know that there are well documented examples of schools in the U.S. that benefited vis-a-vis education from extending the length of school.-Sun_Tzu-

I read the article. I am disagreeing with it and forming my OWN opinion.

you think spending MORE time in a bad school is beneficial? be my guest.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]If you read the article you would know that there are well documented examples of schools in the U.S. that benefited vis-a-vis education from extending the length of school.flazzle

I read the article. I am disagreeing with it and forming my OWN opinion.

you think spending MORE time in a bad school is beneficial? be my guest.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]If you read the article you would know that there are well documented examples of schools in the U.S. that benefited vis-a-vis education from extending the length of school.flazzle

I read the article. I am disagreeing with it and forming my OWN opinion.

you think spending MORE time in a bad school is beneficial? be my guest.

"Why would MORE time improve education? That's like saying going to a bad mechanic will give better results if he spends MORE time on your car." More time = more topics to cover = more in depth education That analogy is terrible. Also, it's funny you mentioned Japan too...if I am not mistaken their summer break is only one month long and their school year is longer (number of days/year).dnuggs40

no, it wasn't the best analogy, but my point is everyone that is complaining that their education is bad now, adding more time isn't going to fix it.

I don't think it's 'funny' I mentioned it. Makes sense if you have an open mind. I didn't say I disagree with EVERYTHING. More time a Japanese system makes sense if IT'S A GOOD SYSTEM. Those that think the their school system is bad, why would spending more time fix it?

Sure, 'More time = more topics to cover = more in depth education' may work, but it will work in a GOOD SYSTEM. Those that are saying their current system is BAD, more time won't make it better? Don't you think?

[QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]If you read the article you would know that there are well documented examples of schools in the U.S. that benefited vis-a-vis education from extending the length of school.-Sun_Tzu-

I read the article. I am disagreeing with it and forming my OWN opinion.

you think spending MORE time in a bad school is beneficial? be my guest.

'If you read' my post, you would see I am focusing on people saying more time in what they declare a 'bad' school system, isn't the only part of the solution.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="flazzle"]

I read the article. I am disagreeing with it and forming my OWN opinion.

you think spending MORE time in a bad school is beneficial? be my guest.

flazzle

'If you read' my post, you would see I am focusing on people saying more time in what they declare a 'bad' school system, isn't the only part of the solution.

[QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] And what are you basing this opinion on, exactly?-Sun_Tzu-

'If you read' my post, you would see I am focusing on people saying more time in what they declare a 'bad' school system, isn't the only part of the solution.

Maybe I'm wrong. Do you think spending more time in a poorly taught class is going to make you a smarter than someone in a well taught class?

Can you point out the flaw in the above statement?

Obama needs to stop trying to reform what doesn't need reforming. First healthcare (I'm happy it got shot down) and now this. If every school was private, education wouldn't be an issue. And where does obama think hes getting the money for this from? Whats he gonna do next, dismantle our military (I hope he didn't read and get ideas from that)

megahaloman64

Part of giving teachers more time to teach their subjects *is* going to help increase the quality of the material covered. dnuggs40

Yes. I agree. That's why I clearly stated in my post about more time in a 'bad school system' isn't going to help the quality at all if it's a 'bad school system'.

I never say more time in good school system would not make a difference.

Did you ever have a bad teacher? I had a teacher that I couldn't understand and handed out xerox copied notes that didn't match the current book. Anyone that passed passed with heavy curves while a good chunk failed it. Nobody in the class thought it was well taught class at all nor did anyone feel they learned anything. Adding more time to that class? No thanks.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="flazzle"]

'If you read' my post, you would see I am focusing on people saying more time in what they declare a 'bad' school system, isn't the only part of the solution.

flazzle

Maybe I'm wrong. Do you think spending more time in a poorly taught class is going to make you a smarter than someone in a well taught class?

Can you point out the flaw in the above statement?

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]Part of giving teachers more time to teach their subjects *is* going to help increase the quality of the material covered. flazzle

Yes. I agree. That's why I clearly stated in my post about more time in a 'bad school system' isn't going to help the quality at all if it's a 'bad school system'.

I never say more time in good school system would not make a difference.

Did you ever have a bad teacher? I had a teacher that I couldn't understand and handed out xerox copied notes that didn't match the current book. Anyone that passed passed with heavy curves while a good chunk failed it. Nobody in the class thought it was well taught class at all nor did anyone feel they learned anything. Adding more time to that class? No thanks.

[QUOTE="JC346"]I personally think that more school days won't do anything. I think that we should change the times of school days from 8 to 2:30 (In my school) to 10 to 4:30.starwarsjunky

Well, it's a poor argument against extending school for a few reasons. One, you haven't cited any evidence that the average class in the U.S. is poorly taught. Two, no one is saying that more time spent in a poorly taught class is going to offer a better learning experience than a well taught class. What I have said and what the article says is that the learning experience is more improved than it would be had school not been extended. -Sun_Tzu-

My original post focuses on people saying their school system is poor, and all I'm saying is more time in a poor/broken school system isn't going to help anything unless the schools can actually teach well.

Obviously if the teaching is suffering because of less time, then sure, it's a good idea if that's the problem. I'm saying is, if there are other problems, more time won't fix it.

I offered the Japan textbook example because I believe that's a change the U.S. may want to adopt.

Maybe I could have worded it better.

If you agree with what I said just now, then we are in agreement.

What you are saying is not really relevant to what Obama is trying to do, and like -Sun-Tzu- said, is a poor argument against extending the school year.dnuggs40

My argument is against people that think more time in a bad school system is going to make it better.

Let me make it more clear:

Do you agree more time with a bad teacher is going to make you learn better?

I agree with Obama.

Keep the kiddies in school longer. :P

[spoiler] I agree that Obama should focus on smarter scheduling rather than simply extending hours. When all is said and done, I'll support anything that improves the education system. [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"] What you are saying is not really relevant to what Obama is trying to do, and like -Sun-Tzu- said, is a poor argument against extending the school year.flazzle

My argument is against people that think more time in a bad school system is going to make it better.

Let me make it more clear:

Do you agree more time with a bad teacher is going to make you learn better?