Obama trying to change the 2nd admendment through executive order.

I do not know what to say really, to the naked eye it does not look that bad. ThatTheory

He would be crazy stupid to attempt to change an admendment through an executive order.

Wasdie

I guess that is insignificant when compared to the possibly of a president being able to change an amendment by themselves. Even a small, one word change, bypassing all of our checks and balances. That's not how the system is supposed to work.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="ThatTheory"]I do not know what to say really, to the naked eye it does not look that bad. Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I guess that is insignificant when compared to the possibly of a president being able to change an amendment by themselves. Even a small, one word change, bypassing all of our checks and balances. That's not how the system is supposed to work.

Engrish_Major

It doesn't matter, the article it originated from was from May.

Good luck.KC_Hokie

The link doesn't really say much, but if he even tries to change the 2nd amendment than he can kiss my ass and that will gurantee him being thrown out of office. But again the link doesn't really make it clear about what is going on exactly, it's all just rumors. If he is than he just lost the next election!

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

He would be crazy stupid to attempt to change an admendment through an executive order.

Jandurin

More fear-mongering propaganda for the conservative base.

Obama has actually expanded gun rights

It will be civil war if he tries to take away guns. There are A LOT of people who like guns in America, some of which will go completely ape-**** if the 2nd ammendment gets axed.

Wait, everybody is going crazy because he wants there to be stricter and more thorough background checks and regulations to aquire a firearm? Isn't that a good thing?....Oh I get it, cause then you'd have to wait longer until you could get your gun.Treflis

"Too often, any serious discussion about guns devolves into ideological arguments that have nothing to do with the real problem," Bloomberg, a co-founder of the coalition Mayors Against Illegal Guns, told reporters at a press event outside the Capitol. "Our coalition strongly believes in the Second Amendment. We also know from experience that we can keep guns away from dangerous people without imposing burdens on law-abiding gun owners."

-Bloomberg, Member, Mayors against illegal guns.

I find it ironic that the same people that are up in arms about this extra enforcement are the same people who unilaterally supported legislation against voter fraud despite it's tiptoes around the 15th amendment. How is this situation really different?

Think about the position Obama is in. He is dealing with a house of representatives hell bent on filibustering any legislation he pushes regardless of whether they support it or not. So it's only natural for him to be exploring options outside of Congress.

On a side note I think it's kind of funny that the founding fathers were all for changing the constitution every generation and that they didn't think it would be good if people stuck to what they had written forever. Ace6301

fairly certain that goes against the reasons why its remained generally unchanged since the day they inked it into being.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]How can the background check be any more expedited? The check takes a couple of minutes and is done while you're in the store.

Pirate700

I didn't see anything in there about him changing the 2nd amendment, or did I just miss something? :?

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]On a side note I think it's kind of funny that the founding fathers were all for changing the constitution every generation and that they didn't think it would be good if people stuck to what they had written forever. ionusX

fairly certain that goes against the reasons why its remained generally unchanged since the day they inked it into being.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] I've never bought a gun, so I don't know. Either way, how is this a bad thing? How can anyone, by any stretch, see this as Obama trying to act like a dictator?Teenaged

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

http://amerpundit.com/2011/03/16/obama-considering-executive-orders-to-change-gun-laws/

So Obama is intending on changing the gun amendment of America through an exucutive order.

Is he trying to come off as a dictator? Or is he trying to turn America into a communist country?

Jandurin

I know right? lol

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]I've bought tons of guns and don't even know. Apparently Obama doesn't know either if he wants it expedited somehow.

Guppy507

The 2nd amendment is a very vague right; in the time it was written, bearing arms for civil defense and hunting was an important issue to protect. But because the type of arms is never specified in the constitution, it gives the government wiggle room to restrict access to certain types of guns, while allowing other types.

The 2nd amendment is a very vague right; in the time it was written, bearing arms for civil defense and hunting was an important issue to protect. But because the type of arms is never specified in the constitution, it gives the government wiggle room to restrict access to certain types of guns, while allowing other types.

Darthmatt

[QUOTE="Guppy507"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]And this is the part when I start doubting some people only want guns to protect themselves from criminals.

Teenaged

leave the gun laws how they are, infact change it to where everyone 18 and over and sane allowed to carry

"Too often, any serious discussion about guns devolves into ideological arguments that have nothing to do with the real problem," Bloomberg, a co-founder of the coalition Mayors Against Illegal Guns, told reporters at a press event outside the Capitol. "Our coalition strongly believes in the Second Amendment. We also know from experience that we can keep guns away from dangerous people without imposing burdens on law-abiding gun owners."

-Bloomberg, Member, Mayors against illegal guns.

I find it ironic that the same people that are up in arms about this extra enforcement are the same people who unilaterally supported legislation against voter fraud despite it's tiptoes around the 15th amendment. How is this situation really different?

Think about the position Obama is in. He is dealing with a house of representatives hell bent on filibustering any legislation he pushes regardless of whether they support it or not. So it's only natural for him to be exploring options outside of Congress.

Blue-Sky

It's a shame that most of what they do does indeed prevent law-abiding citizens from owning firearms. New York, for instance, is one of the most unfriendly states when it comes to firearm ownership.

Good luck. The NRA is one of the best funded organizations around and they won't let anything he tries to do concerning guns stand.

airshocker

one fish

two fish

three fish

blue fish.

surrealnumber5

My God, that's one fish too many. I fear the worst.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

He would be crazy stupid to attempt to change an admendment through an executive order.

Guppy507

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]"The discussions were meant to build a broad coalition around the elements of reform Obama had outlined a day earlier in an op-ed for the Arizona Daily Star, including stronger state-to-state coordination, expedited background checks and greater enforcement of the laws already on the books, especially with regard to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System" OMG the horrorAce6301

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]"The discussions were meant to build a broad coalition around the elements of reform Obama had outlined a day earlier in an op-ed for the Arizona Daily Star, including stronger state-to-state coordination, expedited background checks and greater enforcement of the laws already on the books, especially with regard to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System" OMG the horrorChutebox

I don't think you understand what a communism is.

and what's wrong with restricting right to carry guns in public?

Im sure Ron Paul has something to say about this.

Im sure Ron Paul has something to say about this.

M4Ntan

http://amerpundit.com/2011/03/16/obama-considering-executive-orders-to-change-gun-laws/

So Obama is intending on changing the gun amendment of America through an exucutive order.

Is he trying to come off as a dictator? Or is he trying to turn America into a communist country?

ristactionjakso

1) :lol: at implying Obama is a dictator.

2) You have no idea what Communism is.

Stupid dictator-Obama. Stop being communist. You do not have the power or the authority to change the Second Admendment....

If only american's were as concerned with more important amendments.

After some long thoughts I thought this was a bad ideal, but after more thinking on the subject I think this is a great ideal in a way. This means the police can have no reason to shoot people without weapons, you know how many cops have shot people thinking they do have a weapon? Though sadly regardless if this passes or fails people will still have guns like they have marijuana.

Stupid dictator-Obama. Stop being communist. You do not have the power or the authority to change the Second Admendment....

LORD_BLACKGULT

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

http://amerpundit.com/2011/03/16/obama-considering-executive-orders-to-change-gun-laws/

So Obama is intending on changing the gun amendment of America through an exucutive order.

Is he trying to come off as a dictator? Or is he trying to turn America into a communist country?

DarkGamer007

1) :lol: at implying Obama is a dictator.

2) You have no idea what Communism is.

I don't think Obama is a dictator but anyone who wants to ban guns is. It takes away the power from people so they can't fight back. All the dictators love massive amounts of gun control and gun banslike Hitler Stalin, Kim Jong Il, Castro, Pol Pot ect... All these **** banned guns, and they did it for power. But I don't think Obama is doing that because the site that was linked is really a fringe site and it's not accurate IMO. I don't think Obama is doing this.

And Communism takes guns away from people for the same exact reason as I mentioned before, power. Communism is about giving up your rights to be a slave to a tyrant who belives everyone should be treated equally, which sounds good but in Communism everyone does get treated equally, just equally bad. Democracy is the only way for true equality and rights. Communism is for people who hate freedom and want to be slaves.