Obama = Weak on the "Spanking" issue?

While a treaty that seeks to protect children may sound innocuous, its opponents, such as Michael Farris, the Christian conservative founder of the Home School Legal Defense Association, see in it a dystopian future in which "Parents would no longer be able to administer reasonable spankings to their children"Michael Farris

Why would spanking be illegal? The problem with kids today is they aren't hit anymore. You can't let them just run wild. :roll:

only the U.S. and Somalinocoolnamejim

Well that certainly doesn't look good on paper.

I'm in a mixed bag with this. Children do need to be disciplined, but usually spanking is done out of anger, so it does need to be controlled.

I remember getting spanked in school by teachers in front of the whole class with a huge paddle, when I lived in Texas.. What a dynamic shift in acceptable punishment protocol.

I'm ok with spanking and I can't believe this is really an issue in the first place. Kids do need to be disciplined and spanking is a great way to do it because it is both effective and at the same time doesnt really cross boundries

My parents did it to me, rarely, but they did. I see no problem with it.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]only the U.S. and SomaliOleg_Huzwog

Well that certainly doesn't look good on paper.

So do all those other countries that signed it plan to adhere to it? Or were they just making a shallow, empty gesture by signing the treaty?

The problem with kids today is they aren't hit anymore. You can't let them just run wild. :roll:

Pirate700

So true.

So do all those other countries that signed it plan to adhere to it? Or were they just making a shallow, empty gesture by signing the treaty?

Oleg_Huzwog

I thought you wrote, "Obama = Weak on the 'Spanish' issue"

hehe.

Spanking has become a way to punish children and even teenagers, just because they disagree or don't go a long with what the parents state (and parents can be wrong, especially if you have an intelligent child) and that is unacceptable.

Rarely if ever is it used as a method of teaching, instead of punishment or pain.

You don't punish children, you go out and buy them ice-cream and talk about what happened.

Sigh, it's pathetic that people would want spanking to actually remain, because I've never seen it used as it should be, or even be effective when it's used as it shouldn't.

Kids may fear it, and thus they may not do what angers their parents, but that doesn't mean they agree with what they aren't doing, and thus they'll do it when their parents are away, and perhaps they should.

In truth the fear of being spanked encourages children to hide things from their parents, not tell them.

The point is that spanking should be banned, until such a time that the world has become mature and intelligent enough to use it properly (50 - 60 years at the least), and not in the aggressive and punishing manner that it is used for now.

The day on which spanking is relegated to the ash heap of dead history will be a great day.

Government is way too involved in the lives of citizens anymore.

The day on which spanking is relegated to the ash heap of dead history will be a great day.

GabuEx

I'm chessmaster1989, and I approve this message.

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Some kids need to learn the hard way sometimes. But spanking shouldn't be done to the point the kid starts to bruise or bleed.

Let's ban everything! More rules more laws for everyone!
I'm really against spanking, but seriously enough with the restrictions already!

Let's ban everything! More rules more laws for everyone!
I'm really against spanking, but seriously enough with the restrictions already!

KungfuKitten

Quite frankly, it's not banning anything new; all it would say is that children are no longer exempt from laws banning assault and battery.

I think that spanking can help a child, but in moderation. You can't whale (is that the correct spelling in this situation?) on the kid, but the kid should also know what is wrong, and know that there are consequences for doing it.

My parents did it to me, I turned out better than most kids in my school.

Spanking has it's time and place....>__>

I'm in a mixed bag with this. Children do need to be disciplined, but usually spanking is done out of anger, so it does need to be controlled.

dog64

i honestly think kids would need a reasonable hit from time to time. to put them in their place, this is how i was raised, this is how i will raise my children.

A. To hell with the government telling parents how to discipline their children.

B. I was spanked when I was growing up. It stopped at the age of 8 and It only happened a few times when I really needed it.

C. I rent a room out to a guy that was never really disciplined while growing up. He doesnt have any manners, couth, ethics, or any principle. Hes 21 years old and acts 14. Angsty as all get out.

Yay, lets treat children like sub-human beings.

I also find the greatest irony in chrisitans preaching that a Human is born as soon as conception beings and they have a right to be treated as a human, oh but its ok to beat your children.

Who cares? A spanking law is just the government taking more control over the people. That to me is just insane. Parents should be able to discipilin their own kids without worrying about laws.

Who cares? A spanking law is just the government taking more control over the people. That to me is just insane. Parents should be able to discipilin their own kids without worrying about laws.

GD-1369211121

Who cares? A spanking law is just the government taking more control over the people. That to me is just insane. Parents should be able to discipilin their own kids without worrying about laws.

GD-1369211121

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Who cares? A spanking law is just the government taking more control over the people. That to me is just insane. Parents should be able to discipilin their own kids without worrying about laws.

GD-1369211121

One primary purpose of laws is to protect people, and children are people too.

Spanking is by far the worst form of "discipline" out there. If any child who is spanked learns anything worthwhile, it was entirely despite the spanking, not because of it. It's physical assault, plain and simple, and teaches a child that it is okay to hit someone who is doing something you don't like as long as you're bigger than the other person. My mom always told me that the one thing she learned from her father's application of corporal punishment was that she never, ever wanted to do the same thing to her children.

Though our society presents itself as ostensibly more civilized through the passage of time, there always are certain barbarisms that just won't die.

I find the idea that spanking is necessary to raise a child well to be incredibly ignorant. Spanking doesn't inherently teach kids anything more than a grounding does. Punishment without teaching is worthless (a fact many pro-corporal punishment folks seem to be oblivious to) and if there's anything we've learned from the mountain of research on psychological conditioning it's that a punishment is a punishment is a punishment. Fact of the matter is that it is more than possible to raise a very well behaved child without corporal punishment. The most important thing by far in child discipline is setting limits. You can beat your kid senseless but they still won't behave if you're inconsistent with when you beat them. They will, however, behave if you give them a light grounding every time they do a certain action because consistency lets them know that a certain behavior is not to be tolerated.

Indeed, punishment severity is meaningless. While it's true that a more severe punishment does have greater effect than a milder one, this is only true to an extent. After a certain point you get no more benefits from increasing severity (and at a certain point it actually becomes counterproductive).

Considering the drawbacks to spanking I honestly don't think it should be used as a parenting tool except as a last resort to disobedience. And if you do your job as a parent well you shouldn't even have serious problems with child disobedience to begin with.

Yeah hitting your kids is great :roll: I know I've been hospitalized because of my father and you know what it taught me? Nothing except my parants are terrible people.

There are other ways to assert authority over your kids if you have to, your children should never fear you though.

I was spanked when I was a kid and I learned from it.

It's the best lesson in the world to give a kid.. a nice spank ;)

I was spanked when I was a kid and I learned from it.

It's the best lesson in the world to give a kid.. a nice spank ;)

Gaming-Planet

I was spanked as a kid but I never learned anything from it, at least not anything more than what any other form of discipline did for me. What really got me to behave was when someone explained to me why I needed to behave a certain way as opposed to another way. But then again I have Asperger's syndrome so perhaps that isn't normal for most people.

There is a huge difference between child abuse and being spanked. Sometimes nothing gets the point across like a good slap on the behind. Everything in moderation of course. For example, you have a toddler that cannot grasp the importance of a message, or lesson verbally. They still lack the mental capacitance. Like when they start to venture from the yard towards the street, are you gonna attempt to rationalize with them and discuss the potential negative results, or do you spank them on the butt and instill a fear of the road into them that saves their life? You see a little kid playing with electrical cords you can't really explain to them that they could die if they keep it up, but a almost harmless spanking on the butt will make them scared of those cords, and that mild pain will save them from a much more dangerous outcome.

I am not supporting spanking for anything and everything, but there some scenarios where a spanking is the best option there is to be effectively persuasive in your discipline. Other options for disciplinary action should always be taken into consideration first, but if it becomes illegal to spank a child that just one more right being stripped from our citizens. My mom spanked me so many times as a child, and even slapped me in the face a few times, and I am positive she never abused me. If a child is actually being abused that is an entirely different situation, and I encourage the parents being reprimanded severely for over zealously physically disciplining their children. Abuse should not be tolerated, but being a person who was spanked hard with a big wooden paddle in school by teachers and the principal, its a drastic change to hear the idea of all spanking whatsoever being banned..