Obama will seek congressional approval to go to war with Syria.

Hurray! I don't want us to go to war with yet another country, and leaving it in the hands of people who can't seem to accomplish anything seems to me to be the perfect way to not do so.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/01/world/middleeast/syria.html

Probably so he can blame Republicans for anything that goes wrong over there.

hm, i wonder what congress will say...yes, this is very unpredictable

Probably so he can blame Republicans for anything that goes wrong over there.

Pirate700

Not sure how I feel about the issue itself, but I'm glad at least that he'll look for congressional approval before starting anything.chessmaster1989

Probably so he can blame Republicans for anything that goes wrong over there.

Pirate700

And the North Korea will declare war on the U.S., and then South Korea will declare war on North Korea, and then China will declare war on South Korea, and then The British will try and warn China, China will declare War on Britain, U.S. will Declare War on China, Germany will Declare War on China, Russia Will declare War on China, North Korea will declare war on Germany, Germany will try to invade North Korea, South Korea will say to stop, A German rouge kills South Koreans in mass for no reason, South Korea will blame it on Germany and declare War on South Korea, Italy will help Germany, The British will try to stop Germany, Italy will declare war on Britain, Germany will send troops and back-up, Britain will declare War on Germany, Germany will put South and North Korean under Military control or attempt it, The U.S. Will declare war on Germany, Japan will be trying to stop China, China will start attacking Japanese ships, Japan will declare war on China, Japan will try and take control of Hong Kong, to gain a foothold, the U.S. will try to intervene, Japan will try to go through Vietnam as a foothold, Vietnam declares war on Japan, The U.N. warns Japan of the consequences, Japanese soldiers that are angry blow up a U.S. Embassy, the French will eat some popcorn, UN troops are sent in, for some reason all the UN troops killed by the Japanese soldiers are french, France Declares war on Japan, U.S. sends troops and messages to Japanese administration, The British declare war on japan, Japan declares war on the French, Finland declares war on Japan, Japanese troops Try to force a foothold in Russia, Russia declares war on Japan, Japan declares war on Russia, Russian, U.S., British, and Chinese troops separate Japanese with Military control, Germany starts exterminating North Koreans in the labor camps, Jordan, Iran think that it's just and join Germany and declare war on everyone, The British throw some airplanes and bomb Jordan and Iran, The U.S. Troops with French Soldiers take back south Korea, Russia, U.S. and British takes North Korea, Chinese backs off and changes government, and helps invade Germany, Germany's remaining allies back off, war is over.NationProtector

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Probably so he can blame Republicans for anything that goes wrong over there.

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="NationProtector"]And the North Korea will declare war on the U.S., and then South Korea will declare war on North Korea, and then China will declare war on South Korea, and then The British will try and warn China, China will declare War on Britain, U.S. will Declare War on China, Germany will Declare War on China, Russia Will declare War on China, North Korea will declare war on Germany, Germany will try to invade North Korea, South Korea will say to stop, A German rouge kills South Koreans in mass for no reason, South Korea will blame it on Germany and declare War on South Korea, Italy will help Germany, The British will try to stop Germany, Italy will declare war on Britain, Germany will send troops and back-up, Britain will declare War on Germany, Germany will put South and North Korean under Military control or attempt it, The U.S. Will declare war on Germany, Japan will be trying to stop China, China will start attacking Japanese ships, Japan will declare war on China, Japan will try and take control of Hong Kong, to gain a foothold, the U.S. will try to intervene, Japan will try to go through Vietnam as a foothold, Vietnam declares war on Japan, The U.N. warns Japan of the consequences, Japanese soldiers that are angry blow up a U.S. Embassy, the French will eat some popcorn, UN troops are sent in, for some reason all the UN troops killed by the Japanese soldiers are french, France Declares war on Japan, U.S. sends troops and messages to Japanese administration, The British declare war on japan, Japan declares war on the French, Finland declares war on Japan, Japanese troops Try to force a foothold in Russia, Russia declares war on Japan, Japan declares war on Russia, Russian, U.S., British, and Chinese troops separate Japanese with Military control, Germany starts exterminating North Koreans in the labor camps, Jordan, Iran think that it's just and join Germany and declare war on everyone, The British throw some airplanes and bomb Jordan and Iran, The U.S. Troops with French Soldiers take back south Korea, Russia, U.S. and British takes North Korea, Chinese backs off and changes government, and helps invade Germany, Germany's remaining allies back off, war is over.Person0

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Probably so he can blame Republicans for anything that goes wrong over there.

Serraph105

I really hope congress doesn't f*ck this up and approve it.

Smart move by Obama though, for the reasons Aljosa mentioned

Should have been up to congress in the first place.  He made it sound like he is letting them do it.  I'm glad he's doing this, but the way he is talking is kind of scary.  This one guy has power over the strongest military on the planet.  

Should have been up to congress in the first place.  He made it sound like he is letting them do it.  I'm glad he's doing this, but the way he is talking is kind of scary.  This one guy has power over the strongest military on the planet.  

hoola

[QUOTE="hoola"]

Should have been up to congress in the first place.  He made it sound like he is letting them do it.  I'm glad he's doing this, but the way he is talking is kind of scary.  This one guy has power over the strongest military on the planet.  

Person0

Yeah, and thats the scary part.  

[QUOTE="hoola"]

Should have been up to congress in the first place.  He made it sound like he is letting them do it.  I'm glad he's doing this, but the way he is talking is kind of scary.  This one guy has power over the strongest military on the planet.  

Person0

Which he is not supposed to be able to do without a direct attack on the US.  

I really don't understand how it's any of Americas business to intervene. It will cause the deaths of more soldiers, even without a ground assualt, launching US cruise missiles is still an act of war that will be met with retaliation from Syria and I'll bet a few troops will die.

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="hoola"]

Should have been up to congress in the first place.  He made it sound like he is letting them do it.  I'm glad he's doing this, but the way he is talking is kind of scary.  This one guy has power over the strongest military on the planet.  

hartsickdiscipl

Which he is not supposed to be able to do without a direct attack on the US.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] Because he could order military action if he wanted without congress.Person0

Which he is not supposed to be able to do without a direct attack on the US.  

How is it debatable?

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Which he is not supposed to be able to do without a direct attack on the US.  

hartsickdiscipl

How is it debatable?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] Well that's debatable. Anyways presidents have in the past and will continue to do it in the future.Guppy507

How is it debatable?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/obama-and-biden-have-said-military-action-without-congressio

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Which he is not supposed to be able to do without a direct attack on the US.  

hartsickdiscipl

How is it debatable?

The President actually does have the power to enact military action without Congress. Congress made sure of that decades ago.

Mr. Obama, that was not "the worst chemical attack of the 21st century"... The "worst chemical attack of the 21st century" was carried out in Iraq by your predecessor, the Bush administration, which used white phosphurus and nuclear depleted uranium, not only killing countless thousands of Iraqis, but with countless more Iraqis still suffering from the after-effects to this day... Why haven't Dick Cheney and the Bush administration been punished yet for their war crimes?

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

Which he is not supposed to be able to do without a direct attack on the US.  

hartsickdiscipl

How is it debatable?

[QUOTE="Guppy507"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

 

How is it debatable?

hartsickdiscipl

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/obama-and-biden-have-said-military-action-without-congressio

[QUOTE="hoola"]

Should have been up to congress in the first place.  He made it sound like he is letting them do it.  I'm glad he's doing this, but the way he is talking is kind of scary.  This one guy has power over the strongest military on the planet.  

Person0

I don't want another war. 

You'd think we'd learned from Iraq, but no. 

Mr. Obama, that was not "the worst chemical attack of the 21st century"... The "worst chemical attack of the 21st century" was carried out in Iraq by your predecessor, the Bush administration, which used white phosphurus and nuclear depleted uranium, not only killing countless thousands of Iraqis, but with countless more Iraqis still suffering from the after-effects to this day... Why haven't Dick Cheney and the Bush administration been punished yet for their war crimes?

Jag85

I don't want another war. 

You'd think we'd learned from Iraq, but no. 

MakeMeaSammitch

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

Mr. Obama, that was not "the worst chemical attack of the 21st century"... The "worst chemical attack of the 21st century" was carried out in Iraq by your predecessor, the Bush administration, which used white phosphurus and nuclear depleted uranium, not only killing countless thousands of Iraqis, but with countless more Iraqis still suffering from the after-effects to this day... Why haven't Dick Cheney and the Bush administration been punished yet for their war crimes?

NationProtector

The Iraq War was not a war? 

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

Mr. Obama, that was not "the worst chemical attack of the 21st century"... The "worst chemical attack of the 21st century" was carried out in Iraq by your predecessor, the Bush administration, which used white phosphurus and nuclear depleted uranium, not only killing countless thousands of Iraqis, but with countless more Iraqis still suffering from the after-effects to this day... Why haven't Dick Cheney and the Bush administration been punished yet for their war crimes?

NationProtector

No matter what you want to call it, when you invade another country, it's a war.  

Well that may be, but what we're all forgetting is anyone who doesn't want to go to war, is gay. 

for ****'s sake, let someone else do it for once.

I don't know the specifics about chemical weapons use, but I imagine using them are internationally condemned by a multitude of nations.  So, again, I say...let someone else clean up someone else's mess for once.

France was really gung-ho about it early on, let them lead it.  We can toss in some air support and station a carrier near there, but let it be their fight.

for ****'s sake, let someone else do it for once.

I don't know the specifics about chemical weapons use, but I imagine using them are internationally condemned by a multitude of nations.  So, again, I say...let someone else clean up someone else's mess for once.

France was really gung-ho about it early on, let them lead it.  We can toss in some air support and station a carrier near there, but let it be their fight.

mrbojangles25

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

for ****'s sake, let someone else do it for once.

I don't know the specifics about chemical weapons use, but I imagine using them are internationally condemned by a multitude of nations.  So, again, I say...let someone else clean up someone else's mess for once.

France was really gung-ho about it early on, let them lead it.  We can toss in some air support and station a carrier near there, but let it be their fight.

Person0

well, if France goes, so does the EU.  Maybe I should have just said EU.

France does have a sizeable military force, though, don't they?

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

for ****'s sake, let someone else do it for once.

I don't know the specifics about chemical weapons use, but I imagine using them are internationally condemned by a multitude of nations.  So, again, I say...let someone else clean up someone else's mess for once.

France was really gung-ho about it early on, let them lead it.  We can toss in some air support and station a carrier near there, but let it be their fight.

mrbojangles25

well, if France goes, so does the EU.  Maybe I should have just said EU.

France does have a sizeable military force, though, don't they?

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

for ****'s sake, let someone else do it for once.

I don't know the specifics about chemical weapons use, but I imagine using them are internationally condemned by a multitude of nations.  So, again, I say...let someone else clean up someone else's mess for once.

France was really gung-ho about it early on, let them lead it.  We can toss in some air support and station a carrier near there, but let it be their fight.

mrbojangles25

well, if France goes, so does the EU.  Maybe I should have just said EU.

France does have a sizeable military force, though, don't they?

hm, i wonder what congress will say...yes, this is very unpredictable

rocinante_

it's a headscratcher 

I really don't understand how it's any of Americas business to intervene. It will cause the deaths of more soldiers, even without a ground assualt, launching US cruise missiles is still an act of war that will be met with retaliation from Syria and I'll bet a few troops will die.

 

HyperWarlock

[QUOTE="NationProtector"][QUOTE="Jag85"]

Mr. Obama, that was not "the worst chemical attack of the 21st century"... The "worst chemical attack of the 21st century" was carried out in Iraq by your predecessor, the Bush administration, which used white phosphurus and nuclear depleted uranium, not only killing countless thousands of Iraqis, but with countless more Iraqis still suffering from the after-effects to this day... Why haven't Dick Cheney and the Bush administration been punished yet for their war crimes?

Jag85

The Iraq War was not a war? 

[QUOTE="NationProtector"][QUOTE="Jag85"]

Mr. Obama, that was not "the worst chemical attack of the 21st century"... The "worst chemical attack of the 21st century" was carried out in Iraq by your predecessor, the Bush administration, which used white phosphurus and nuclear depleted uranium, not only killing countless thousands of Iraqis, but with countless more Iraqis still suffering from the after-effects to this day... Why haven't Dick Cheney and the Bush administration been punished yet for their war crimes?

hartsickdiscipl

No matter what you want to call it, when you invade another country, it's a war.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="NationProtector"] Because it was not a war, thus it was not a war crime.NationProtector

No matter what you want to call it, when you invade another country, it's a war.