Obama will seek congressional approval to go to war with Syria.

I don't think he would have had to bother with this Syria nonsense if he hadn't gone off and run his mouth off about Assad "crossing the red line". Now he's got to try and back down from a war that is probably going to be expensive, highly unpopular and strategically pointless. Let's hope that he gets what he actually wants and congress votes against a war.

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

for ****'s sake, let someone else do it for once.

I don't know the specifics about chemical weapons use, but I imagine using them are internationally condemned by a multitude of nations.  So, again, I say...let someone else clean up someone else's mess for once.

France was really gung-ho about it early on, let them lead it.  We can toss in some air support and station a carrier near there, but let it be their fight.

mrbojangles25

well, if France goes, so does the EU.  Maybe I should have just said EU.

France does have a sizeable military force, though, don't they?

Obama tried to use the threat of force to stop Syria from using chemical weapons and Assad called his bluff. Russia and China in the UN don't support him and then the UK voted against a strike. Pretty embarrassing, but it's about on par for my expectations of Obama.

Hey, I have an idea.  Don't do it.  

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="NationProtector"] Because it was not a war, thus it was not a war crime.NationProtector

No matter what you want to call it, when you invade another country, it's a war.  

Yes, it is.  Look up "war" and "act of war."

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Probably so he can blame Republicans for anything that goes wrong over there.

Aljosa23

Scary stuff. This could actually pull all kinds of countries into the conflict on both sides. It's unlikely, but possible, that it becomes another world war.chrisrooR

I really don't understand how it's any of Americas business to intervene.

 

HyperWarlock

I don't want another war. 

You'd think we'd learned from Iraq, but no. 

MakeMeaSammitch

Muslims are crazy? We've been known that.

Surprise nobody has mention that Congress doesn't meet until September 9 at the earliest, plus whatever time they take to have a vote. Obama is such a joke, where is the urgency? [QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

I really don't understand how it's any of Americas business to intervene.

 

Master_Live

Can't wait to hear from the left-wing dickriders SwagSurf

You forgot about about the tinfoil hat ones:

Mr. Obama, that was not "the worst chemical attack of the 21st century"... The "worst chemical attack of the 21st century" was carried out in Iraq by your predecessor, the Bush administration, which used white phosphurus and nuclear depleted uranium, not only killing countless thousands of Iraqis, but with countless more Iraqis still suffering from the after-effects to this day... Why haven't Dick Cheney and the Bush administration been punished yet for their war crimes?

Jag85

And the North Korea will declare war on the U.S., and then South Korea will declare war on North Korea, and then China will declare war on South Korea, and then The British will try and warn China, China will declare War on Britain, U.S. will Declare War on China, Germany will Declare War on China, Russia Will declare War on China, North Korea will declare war on Germany, Germany will try to invade North Korea, South Korea will say to stop, A German rouge kills South Koreans in mass for no reason, South Korea will blame it on Germany and declare War on South Korea, Italy will help Germany, The British will try to stop Germany, Italy will declare war on Britain, Germany will send troops and back-up, Britain will declare War on Germany, Germany will put South and North Korean under Military control or attempt it, The U.S. Will declare war on Germany, Japan will be trying to stop China, China will start attacking Japanese ships, Japan will declare war on China, Japan will try and take control of Hong Kong, to gain a foothold, the U.S. will try to intervene, Japan will try to go through Vietnam as a foothold, Vietnam declares war on Japan, The U.N. warns Japan of the consequences, Japanese soldiers that are angry blow up a U.S. Embassy, the French will eat some popcorn, UN troops are sent in, for some reason all the UN troops killed by the Japanese soldiers are french, France Declares war on Japan, U.S. sends troops and messages to Japanese administration, The British declare war on japan, Japan declares war on the French, Finland declares war on Japan, Japanese troops Try to force a foothold in Russia, Russia declares war on Japan, Japan declares war on Russia, Russian, U.S., British, and Chinese troops separate Japanese with Military control, Germany starts exterminating North Koreans in the labor camps, Jordan, Iran think that it's just and join Germany and declare war on everyone, The British throw some airplanes and bomb Jordan and Iran, The U.S. Troops with French Soldiers take back south Korea, Russia, U.S. and British takes North Korea, Chinese backs off and changes government, and helps invade Germany, Germany's remaining allies back off, war is over.NationProtector

And the North Korea will declare war on the U.S., and then South Korea will declare war on North Korea, and then China will declare war on South Korea, and then The British will try and warn China, China will declare War on Britain, U.S. will Declare War on China, Germany will Declare War on China, Russia Will declare War on China, North Korea will declare war on Germany, Germany will try to invade North Korea, South Korea will say to stop, A German rouge kills South Koreans in mass for no reason, South Korea will blame it on Germany and declare War on South Korea, Italy will help Germany, The British will try to stop Germany, Italy will declare war on Britain, Germany will send troops and back-up, Britain will declare War on Germany, Germany will put South and North Korean under Military control or attempt it, The U.S. Will declare war on Germany, Japan will be trying to stop China, China will start attacking Japanese ships, Japan will declare war on China, Japan will try and take control of Hong Kong, to gain a foothold, the U.S. will try to intervene, Japan will try to go through Vietnam as a foothold, Vietnam declares war on Japan, The U.N. warns Japan of the consequences, Japanese soldiers that are angry blow up a U.S. Embassy, the French will eat some popcorn, UN troops are sent in, for some reason all the UN troops killed by the Japanese soldiers are french, France Declares war on Japan, U.S. sends troops and messages to Japanese administration, The British declare war on japan, Japan declares war on the French, Finland declares war on Japan, Japanese troops Try to force a foothold in Russia, Russia declares war on Japan, Japan declares war on Russia, Russian, U.S., British, and Chinese troops separate Japanese with Military control, Germany starts exterminating North Koreans in the labor camps, Jordan, Iran think that it's just and join Germany and declare war on everyone, The British throw some airplanes and bomb Jordan and Iran, The U.S. Troops with French Soldiers take back south Korea, Russia, U.S. and British takes North Korea, Chinese backs off and changes government, and helps invade Germany, Germany's remaining allies back off, war is over.NationProtector

The best part is that this actually makes sense when you read the whole thing!

[QUOTE="NationProtector"]And the North Korea will declare war on the U.S., and then South Korea will declare war on North Korea, and then China will declare war on South Korea, and then The British will try and warn China, China will declare War on Britain, U.S. will Declare War on China, Germany will Declare War on China, Russia Will declare War on China, North Korea will declare war on Germany, Germany will try to invade North Korea, South Korea will say to stop, A German rouge kills South Koreans in mass for no reason, South Korea will blame it on Germany and declare War on South Korea, Italy will help Germany, The British will try to stop Germany, Italy will declare war on Britain, Germany will send troops and back-up, Britain will declare War on Germany, Germany will put South and North Korean under Military control or attempt it, The U.S. Will declare war on Germany, Japan will be trying to stop China, China will start attacking Japanese ships, Japan will declare war on China, Japan will try and take control of Hong Kong, to gain a foothold, the U.S. will try to intervene, Japan will try to go through Vietnam as a foothold, Vietnam declares war on Japan, The U.N. warns Japan of the consequences, Japanese soldiers that are angry blow up a U.S. Embassy, the French will eat some popcorn, UN troops are sent in, for some reason all the UN troops killed by the Japanese soldiers are french, France Declares war on Japan, U.S. sends troops and messages to Japanese administration, The British declare war on japan, Japan declares war on the French, Finland declares war on Japan, Japanese troops Try to force a foothold in Russia, Russia declares war on Japan, Japan declares war on Russia, Russian, U.S., British, and Chinese troops separate Japanese with Military control, Germany starts exterminating North Koreans in the labor camps, Jordan, Iran think that it's just and join Germany and declare war on everyone, The British throw some airplanes and bomb Jordan and Iran, The U.S. Troops with French Soldiers take back south Korea, Russia, U.S. and British takes North Korea, Chinese backs off and changes government, and helps invade Germany, Germany's remaining allies back off, war is over.THE_DRUGGIE

The best part is that this actually makes sense when you read the whole thing!

living up to your name tonight?

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="NationProtector"]And the North Korea will declare war on the U.S., and then South Korea will declare war on North Korea, and then China will declare war on South Korea, and then The British will try and warn China, China will declare War on Britain, U.S. will Declare War on China, Germany will Declare War on China, Russia Will declare War on China, North Korea will declare war on Germany, Germany will try to invade North Korea, South Korea will say to stop, A German rouge kills South Koreans in mass for no reason, South Korea will blame it on Germany and declare War on South Korea, Italy will help Germany, The British will try to stop Germany, Italy will declare war on Britain, Germany will send troops and back-up, Britain will declare War on Germany, Germany will put South and North Korean under Military control or attempt it, The U.S. Will declare war on Germany, Japan will be trying to stop China, China will start attacking Japanese ships, Japan will declare war on China, Japan will try and take control of Hong Kong, to gain a foothold, the U.S. will try to intervene, Japan will try to go through Vietnam as a foothold, Vietnam declares war on Japan, The U.N. warns Japan of the consequences, Japanese soldiers that are angry blow up a U.S. Embassy, the French will eat some popcorn, UN troops are sent in, for some reason all the UN troops killed by the Japanese soldiers are french, France Declares war on Japan, U.S. sends troops and messages to Japanese administration, The British declare war on japan, Japan declares war on the French, Finland declares war on Japan, Japanese troops Try to force a foothold in Russia, Russia declares war on Japan, Japan declares war on Russia, Russian, U.S., British, and Chinese troops separate Japanese with Military control, Germany starts exterminating North Koreans in the labor camps, Jordan, Iran think that it's just and join Germany and declare war on everyone, The British throw some airplanes and bomb Jordan and Iran, The U.S. Troops with French Soldiers take back south Korea, Russia, U.S. and British takes North Korea, Chinese backs off and changes government, and helps invade Germany, Germany's remaining allies back off, war is over.Serraph105

The best part is that this actually makes sense when you read the whole thing!

lving up to your name tonight?

I'm as sober as your avatar is invisible.

Good. Regardless of the result, Congress can be blamed now. 

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

The best part is that this actually makes sense when you read the whole thing!

THE_DRUGGIE

lving up to your name tonight?

I'm as sober as your avatar is invisible.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Probably so he can blame Republicans for anything that goes wrong over there.

mmwmwmmwmwmm

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

lving up to your name tonight?

Serraph105

I'm as sober as your avatar is invisible.

Wait, I can see it again.

Hahaha, clever. Ha. Haha. I'm not crazy, YOU'RE CRAZY!

[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Yeah lol that's why it's awesome.

Aljosa23

really? I'm a democrat precisely because I think the current GOP are scum.

Good. Regardless of the result, Congress can be blamed now.

jimkabrhel

really? I'm a democrat precisely because I think the current GOP are scum.

Serraph105

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

lving up to your name tonight?

Serraph105

I'm as sober as your avatar is invisible.

p.s. Sauron the Great will help you regain your throne from Denethor if you conduct the halfling prisoners to him unspoilt.

Good. Regardless of the result, Congress can be blamed now. 

jimkabrhel

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"] never understood why you're such a partisan hack for the democrats when you don't even live in the US.Serraph105

really? I'm a democrat precisely because I think the current GOP are scum.

Serious question. What is going on with the US government? Why are you looking to get yourself into another war? th3warr1or

Distracts us from all the domestic poverty.

[QUOTE="Master_Live"]Surprise nobody has mention that Congress doesn't meet until September 9 at the earliest, plus whatever time they take to have a vote. Obama is such a joke, where is the urgency? [QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

I really don't understand how it's any of Americas business to intervene.

 

Serraph105

it absolutely appears you are correct. Boehner and friends don't appear to be making any effort to call an emergency session of congress. And yes I'm cool with it.

Congressional approval, France is supporting our cause (and is willing to help us), Britain isn't going to help us, wtf is going on here?

Oh great another war we have no business being in, fantastic! 

Uh.. Can we not?

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Probably so he can blame Republicans for anything that goes wrong over there.

Aljosa23

This is gonna be interesting. Gop hawks vs themselves over actually agreeing with Obama.Person0

[QUOTE="Person0"]This is gonna be interesting. Gop hawks vs themselves over actually agreeing with Obama.whipassmt

I'm very torn on this situation. International Law says that the use of chemical weapons is a terrible act and is banned for use against people, either military or civilian. A law becomes useless if it is unenforced. So on one hand the United States or some other international power has an obligation to go in and enforce this law, or else every other country would then know that it is perfectly acceptable to use chemical weapons because it becomes a completely unenforceable international agreement. But at the same time we have enough on our plate with Afghanistan and Iraq. We don't really need another war. I hope that our congressional leaders make the right decision. I certainly wouldn't want to be put in their position to make this decision.

I'm very torn on this situation. International Law says that the use of chemical weapons is a terrible act and is banned for use against people, either military or civilian. A law becomes useless if it is unenforced. So on one hand the United States or some other international power has an obligation to go in and enforce this law, or else every other country would then know that it is perfectly acceptable to use chemical weapons because it becomes a completely unenforceable international agreement. But at the same time we have enough on our plate with Afghanistan and Iraq. We don't really need another war. I hope that our congressional leaders make the right decision. I certainly wouldn't want to be put in their position to make this decision.

ferrari2001

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]

I'm very torn on this situation. International Law says that the use of chemical weapons is a terrible act and is banned for use against people, either military or civilian. A law becomes useless if it is unenforced. So on one hand the United States or some other international power has an obligation to go in and enforce this law, or else every other country would then know that it is perfectly acceptable to use chemical weapons because it becomes a completely unenforceable international agreement. But at the same time we have enough on our plate with Afghanistan and Iraq. We don't really need another war. I hope that our congressional leaders make the right decision. I certainly wouldn't want to be put in their position to make this decision.

Toxic-Seahorse

[QUOTE="SwagSurf"]Can't wait to hear from the left-wing dickriders Jebus213

You forgot about about the tinfoil hat ones:

Mr. Obama, that was not "the worst chemical attack of the 21st century"... The "worst chemical attack of the 21st century" was carried out in Iraq by your predecessor, the Bush administration, which used white phosphurus and nuclear depleted uranium, not only killing countless thousands of Iraqis, but with countless more Iraqis still suffering from the after-effects to this day... Why haven't Dick Cheney and the Bush administration been punished yet for their war crimes?

Jag85

What exactly is "tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist" about that statement? Are you really this big of a dumb***? The suffering of Iraqis due to the U.S. invasion is well documented. But keep on blindly riding America's d*ck, jingoist ignoramus. 

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Person0"]This is gonna be interesting. Gop hawks vs themselves over actually agreeing with Obama.Person0

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]

I'm very torn on this situation. International Law says that the use of chemical weapons is a terrible act and is banned for use against people, either military or civilian. A law becomes useless if it is unenforced. So on one hand the United States or some other international power has an obligation to go in and enforce this law, or else every other country would then know that it is perfectly acceptable to use chemical weapons because it becomes a completely unenforceable international agreement. But at the same time we have enough on our plate with Afghanistan and Iraq. We don't really need another war. I hope that our congressional leaders make the right decision. I certainly wouldn't want to be put in their position to make this decision.

Toxic-Seahorse

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] Are the GOP really as Hawkish as they are portrayed? Afterall didn't the U.S. get involved in Vietnam under Democrats and bring those forces home under a Republican President? The Afghan war and the Iraq War were both given Congressional approval with bipartisan support. Obama intervened in Libya without Congressional approval.

whipassmt

I'm very torn on this situation. International Law says that the use of chemical weapons is a terrible act and is banned for use against people, either military or civilian. A law becomes useless if it is unenforced. So on one hand the United States or some other international power has an obligation to go in and enforce this law, or else every other country would then know that it is perfectly acceptable to use chemical weapons because it becomes a completely unenforceable international agreement. But at the same time we have enough on our plate with Afghanistan and Iraq. We don't really need another war. I hope that our congressional leaders make the right decision. I certainly wouldn't want to be put in their position to make this decision.

ferrari2001

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] vietnam was a long time ago. Iraq Republicans 215 for 6 against Democrats- 82 for 126 against Person0

What was the vote like on the Afghan war?

He said any operation would be limited, ruling out a ground invasion. Congress is to reconvene on 9 September.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23918157 

So that means we're going to drone Syria back the stone age. Should be an intersting next couple of months, especially being so close to Creech AFB.

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] Interesting. It seems like Democrats in the House were more opposed to the resolution authorizing force against Iraq than Democrats in the Senate.

whipassmt

What was the vote like on the Afghan war?

"Go to war"

Congress will make sure he won't be able to put boots on the groud.

Hurray! I don't want us to go to war with yet another country, and leaving it in the hands of people who can't seem to accomplish anything seems to me to be the perfect way to not do so.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/01/world/middleeast/syria.html

Serraph105

The crazy thing is that he also said he believes he doesn't need congressional approval in the same announcement. He's just doing it to "be nice." So I worry, that if even if Congress strikes down the idea of going to war that the president would do it anyways. It's kinda scary.

Also, everyone is complaining that Boehner isn't calling for a special session of Congress. If my civics class served me well in the 9th grade, if I recall when it comes to war it's the president's responsibility to summon a special session of Congress. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. So blaming the speaker, no matter how much you dislike him, is really misplaced here.