Obama's broken promises: A checklist

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#52 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Literally everything on your list consists of nitpicking, twisting of facts to suit your point, or flat-out incorrect comments.mysterylobster

Nothing I posted has "twisted" facts. I even provided sources so you can examine these in more detail. Don't go after me just because you're uncomfortable with the broken promises.

Also, I'm not nitpicking Obama's rhetoric. If he says he would NEVER do something, I'm going to hold him to it. Am I supposed to think "sometimes" every time he says "never"?

I'm not "going after you", i'm simply deconstructing your arguments because so often the arguments you present are so easily deconstructed. Very little of what you posted even constituted promises. I think this is a really, really shallow argument you have here, and like somebody said, if that's the best checklist of criticisms you can come up with, you should really be very happy with the current state of the presidency.
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#53 comp_atkins
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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]aahh mysterlobster. will you ever quit? :Pxaos
Apparently not; after all, let's remember mysterylobster's broken promise to leave OT if McCain lost the election :P

at least if mccain won the election we probably would not have to listen to these threads...
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#54 mysterylobster
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Of course he's gonna say all right things to get elected. Eman5805
A lot of people actually took his "change" rhetoric seriously, though.
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[QUOTE="Eman5805"]Of course he's gonna say all right things to get elected. mysterylobster
A lot of people actually took his "change" rhetoric seriously, though.

a lot of people believe in a supernatural all-loving all-powerful eternal being, as well >_>
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[QUOTE="Eman5805"]Of course he's gonna say all right things to get elected. mysterylobster
A lot of people actually took his "change" rhetoric seriously, though.

Don't worry, things are still changing ;)
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#57 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Eman5805"]Of course he's gonna say all right things to get elected. mysterylobster
A lot of people actually took his "change" rhetoric seriously, though.

Maybe you should wait a little longer before dismissing the entire opus behind his presidency eh?
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#58 mysterylobster
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I'm not "going after you", i'm simply deconstructing your arguments because so often the arguments you present are so easily deconstructed. Very little of what you posted even constituted promises. I think this is a really, really shallow argument you have here, and like somebody said, if that's the best checklist of criticisms you can come up with, you should really be very happy with the current state of the presidency.Ninja-Hippo
You're not deconstructing anything. I don't see any specifics from you as to why things like "I won't hire lobbyists" or "I will give Americans five days to review bills" aren't promises, nor are you telling me how, exactly, 0bama didn't break them. Some substance to back up your accusations would be appreciated.

As for my feelings on the state of his Presidency, as I said, it's the promises he did keep that bother me the most and make me fear for the safety of our country and stability of our economy. And as so many have pointed out, he's just getting started.

I post this checklist only to inform people who might have heard the promises but didn't check to see if Obama followed through or not. I assumed people actually cared about that. They certainly cared about it when Bush didn't deliver.

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[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]*major facepalm* Not even a month and theres a checklist from mysterylobster...RushMetallica
That's what I was thinking, how can you judge him so quickly? I agree that he is overhyped, but he can only work so fast.

It's mysterylobster
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#60 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] I'm not "going after you", i'm simply deconstructing your arguments because so often the arguments you present are so easily deconstructed. Very little of what you posted even constituted promises. I think this is a really, really shallow argument you have here, and like somebody said, if that's the best checklist of criticisms you can come up with, you should really be very happy with the current state of the presidency.

You're not deconstructing anything. I don't see any specifics from you as to why things like "I won't hire lobbyists" or "I will give Americans five days to review bills" aren't promises, nor are you telling me how, exactly, 0bama didn't break them. Some substance to back up your accusations would be appreciated.

There's absolutely no substance to your argument, so how can you expect a substantial critique of it? 1) Obama did not say "i won't hire lobbyists". You wish he did, because then you'd have ammo to criticise him. But he didn't. What he did do, was sign an executive order imposing tighter restrictions on lobbyists working in government. He then went on to make an exception to those new rules. That does not make him a liar. Nor does it make a "promise" broken. There was no promise to break. We dont know anything about Lynn's background; how long he worked for the defense contractor, or what his role was. Obama decided he was the best man for the job though, and thus made an exception to the rule. It's not breaking a promise nor is it a terrible action on behalf of the President. The whole point of him as the executive is to make decisive rulings on executive orders such as this. The President will make policy, change policy, reverse policy, scrap policy. It happens. It's called a change of thinking, a change of heart, a change of logic, a change of circumstance. One day you might completely oppose lobbyists in the government, the next day you may come to the conclusion that you need to make an exception to that rule. It's not a lie. It's not a broken promise. And it's certainly not the epic betrayal you WANT it to be so you can criticise Obama. When he says "read my lips - no new taxes!" and then completely goes back on that promise, criticise all you like. I'll be there with you. What you have here is simply rhetoric that you're trying to twist into broken promises.
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#61 Ninja-Hippo
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I post this checklist only to inform people who might have heard the promises but didn't check to see if Obama followed through or not. I assumed people actually cared about that. They certainly cared about it when Bush didn't deliver.

mysterylobster
People didn't start nitpicking and hating on Bush's presidency a week in out of bitterness that their candidate didn't win. Some might have, but i imagine they'd have received a similar reaction to the one you're getting here. ;)
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This is the most pointless topic ever in the history of OT. Seriously, it's only been two months and you are trying your best bash Obama ALREADY? :|
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This is the most pointless topic ever in the history of OT. Seriously, it's only been two months and you are trying your best bash Obama ALREADY? :|ghoklebutter
Slight correction; it's been 10 days since he actually took office :P
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#64 mysterylobster
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The President will make policy, change policy, reverse policy, scrap policy. It happens. It's called a change of thinking, a change of heart, a change of logic, a change of circumstance. One day you might completely oppose lobbyists in the government, the next day you may come to the conclusion that you need to make an exception to that rule. It's not a lie. It's not a broken promise. And it's certainly not the epic betrayal you WANT it to be so you can criticise Obama. Ninja-Hippo
Oh, man, now who's twisting rhetoric? The President says "If you are a lobbyist entering my administration, you will not be able to work on matters you lobbied on, or in the agencies you lobbied during the previous two years" then days later nominates a lobbyist for a big time defense contractor for Deputy Secretary of Defense, and you twist this to be a "change of logic." Yeah, I agree, it's called ZERO LOGIC.
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Well according to an actual political site that usually knows what it's talking about, rather then a exteremly (*EXTREMELY) bias OT poster, Obama has only broken 1 of his many promises. And to think some of his promises wont be broken would be pretty ignorant.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

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Gotta love the McCain supporters that can't move on.
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#67 LosDaddie
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Aw, ML. You make the OT a better place. :) I enjoy watching conservatives try to tear down Obama after 8yrs of crying about Dems doing the same for GWB.

#1 is the only "Broken Promise" I didn't like.

I thought Obama had a successful 1st week in closing Gitmo and meeting with Repubs on the new bill.

It's going to be a great 4yrs. :)

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Well according to an actual political site that usually knows what it's talking about, rather then a exteremly (*EXTREMELY) bias OT poster, Obama has only broken 1 of his many promises. And to think some of his promises wont be broken would be pretty ignorant.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

SaintLeonidas

They're looking at campaign promises, I believe. The first item in my list was an executive order made after he became President, then swiftly ignored when it was convenient to do so. Also, you'll notice that this "actual political site that usually knows what it's talking about" was cited by me in an effort to back up everything I say about Obama.

This is the most pointless topic ever in the history of OT. Seriously, it's only been two months and you are trying your best bash Obama ALREADY? :|ghoklebutter
Talking about Obama's broken promises is more pointless than "what's your favorite kind of clock" and "Are you good looking"? Face it, you like 0bama and don't like hearing bad stuff about him. This is going to be a tough 1-4 years for you...

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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

Well according to an actual political site that usually knows what it's talking about, rather then a exteremly (*EXTREMELY) bias OT poster, Obama has only broken 1 of his many promises. And to think some of his promises wont be broken would be pretty ignorant.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

mysterylobster

They're looking at campaign promises, I believe. The first item in my list was an executive order made after he became President, then swiftly ignored when it was convenient to do so. Also, you'll notice that this "actual political site that usually knows what it's talking about" was cited by me in an effort to back up everything I say about Obama.

This is the most pointless topic ever in the history of OT. Seriously, it's only been two months and you are trying your best bash Obama ALREADY? :|ghoklebutter
Talking about Obama's broken promises is more pointless than "what's your favorite kind of clock" and "Are you good looking"? Face it, you like 0bama and don't like hearing bad stuff about him. This is going to be a tough 1-4 years for you...

I could care less of what people think about Obama. And none of those topics (including this one) are meaningful.

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I think what makes me mad about this is that these weren't all small, meaningless promises. The one about lobbyists in particular was widely praised across party lines as an important step to cleaning up Washington, and I supported him on that. I would like 0bama to succeed, but so far he's just letting me down. He's letting us all down.
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#72 nocoolnamejim
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Looking through nearly 75 comments in this thread I've come to the conclusion that somehow, someway, mysterylobster has to be a plant for the Democrats. There's no other explanation. She manages to build support for Obama faster than I ever could, and I helped out on his campaign in my state during the Democratic primaries!
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I think what makes me mad about this is that these weren't all small, meaningless promises. The one about lobbyists in particular was widely praised across party lines as an important step to cleaning up Washington, and I supported him on that. I would like 0bama to succeed, but so far he's just letting me down. He's letting us all down. mysterylobster
It's been 10 days since he's taken office. Chill out.
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I wonder if Obama was a Rebuplican and did these exact same things, how this forum would look. We would probebly need a sticky for all the bashing.
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I think what makes me mad about this is that these weren't all small, meaningless promises. The one about lobbyists in particular was widely praised across party lines as an important step to cleaning up Washington, and I supported him on that. I would like 0bama to succeed, but so far he's just letting me down. He's letting us all down. mysterylobster

The lobbyist one is the only one I see as a cause for concern (even then, as I have said twice, I do not know much about William Lynn, so I will not judge the choice). Nobody cares about his breaking of his promise to use public financing, nor do I. As I said, his "five-day policy" was stupid in the first place, so I am glad he reverted on it.

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#76 mysterylobster
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As I said, his "five-day policy" was stupid in the first place, so I am glad he reverted on it.

chessmaster1989
More transparency in Government isn't stupid. That's why Obama has been making such a big deal over it. The problem is that he just doesn't follow through on it.
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Obama is doing a great job! thanks mysterylobster!
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Hey. it's only been 10 freaking days. Give him a damn break.
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] As I said, his "five-day policy" was stupid in the first place, so I am glad he reverted on it.

mysterylobster

More transparency in Government isn't stupid. That's why Obama has been making such a big deal over it. The problem is that he just doesn't follow through on it.

More transparency in the government is a good idea, but waiting five days (for no reason) to sign a bill is stupid.

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[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] More transparency in Government isn't stupid. That's why Obama has been making such a big deal over it. The problem is that he just doesn't follow through on it. chessmaster1989

More transparency in the government is a good idea, but waiting five days (for no reason) to sign a bill is stupid.

How is it stupid? You're not really making an argument here.

Hey. it's only been 10 freaking days. Give him a damn break. remmbermytitans

If you think this is too soon then wait for my thread entitled "Barack Obama's first 100 days, a report card: Worst. President. Ever."

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"] More transparency in Government isn't stupid. That's why Obama has been making such a big deal over it. The problem is that he just doesn't follow through on it. mysterylobster

More transparency in the government is a good idea, but waiting five days (for no reason) to sign a bill is stupid.

How is it stupid? You're not really making an argument here.

Because there is no reason to wait five days to sign a bill if he knows he intends to sign it. People can still view the bill online even after he signs it. Why should potentially important bills be delayed?

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Looking through nearly 75 comments in this thread I've come to the conclusion that somehow, someway, mysterylobster has to be a plant for the Democrats. There's no other explanation. She manages to build support for Obama faster than I ever could, and I helped out on his campaign in my state during the Democratic primaries!

The thought has occurred to me as well. If true, they're doing a mighty good job.
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Looking through nearly 75 comments in this thread I've come to the conclusion that somehow, someway, mysterylobster has to be a plant for the Democrats. There's no other explanation. She manages to build support for Obama faster than I ever could, and I helped out on his campaign in my state during the Democratic primaries!duxup
The thought has occurred to me as well. If true, they're doing a mighty good job.

I must say, Mysterylobster, if you ARE a Democratic plant (which I doubt), you are doing a **** good job.

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[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Looking through nearly 75 comments in this thread I've come to the conclusion that somehow, someway, mysterylobster has to be a plant for the Democrats. There's no other explanation. She manages to build support for Obama faster than I ever could, and I helped out on his campaign in my state during the Democratic primaries!

The thought has occurred to me as well. If true, they're doing a mighty good job.

I don't get it. I always get these nice messages from mods saying "thanks for making this a better place," but on the forums they act like such jerks to me. What gives?
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[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Looking through nearly 75 comments in this thread I've come to the conclusion that somehow, someway, mysterylobster has to be a plant for the Democrats. There's no other explanation. She manages to build support for Obama faster than I ever could, and I helped out on his campaign in my state during the Democratic primaries!mysterylobster
The thought has occurred to me as well. If true, they're doing a mighty good job.

I don't get it. I always get these nice messages from mods saying "thanks for making this a better place," but on the forums they act like such jerks to me. What gives?

One of those 2 categories of messages is automated when you report "well". I bet it's just a check box that says, send good feedback to user?
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[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Looking through nearly 75 comments in this thread I've come to the conclusion that somehow, someway, mysterylobster has to be a plant for the Democrats. There's no other explanation. She manages to build support for Obama faster than I ever could, and I helped out on his campaign in my state during the Democratic primaries!mysterylobster
The thought has occurred to me as well. If true, they're doing a mighty good job.

I don't get it. I always get these nice messages from mods saying "thanks for making this a better place," but on the forums they act like such jerks to me. What gives?

The fact the responses to your threads seem so counter productive and yet you keep at it, to the point that it has occurred to some users that you might not be entirely serious in your posting isn't being a jerk. It is just recognizing a possibility.
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[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Looking through nearly 75 comments in this thread I've come to the conclusion that somehow, someway, mysterylobster has to be a plant for the Democrats. There's no other explanation. She manages to build support for Obama faster than I ever could, and I helped out on his campaign in my state during the Democratic primaries!

The thought has occurred to me as well. If true, they're doing a mighty good job.

I don't get it. I always get these nice messages from mods saying "thanks for making this a better place," but on the forums they act like such jerks to me. What gives?

I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm just trying to point out that your constant posts attacking Obama seem to be having the opposite effect as what you intend. Pointing that out is an opinion statement that you're free to disagree with. Look through some of your recent threads and most of the people replying, even some conservatives and moderate Republicans, are replying "lay off the poor guy and give him a chance". So if your intended effect is to make Obama less popular and less supported, your tactics may be backfiring on you. Just something to consider.
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[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="duxup"] The thought has occurred to me as well. If true, they're doing a mighty good job.Jandurin
I don't get it. I always get these nice messages from mods saying "thanks for making this a better place," but on the forums they act like such jerks to me. What gives?

One of those 2 categories of messages is automated when you report "well". I bet it's just a check box that says, send good feedback to user?

And here I thought they actually liked me. :(
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[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]Looking through nearly 75 comments in this thread I've come to the conclusion that somehow, someway, mysterylobster has to be a plant for the Democrats. There's no other explanation. She manages to build support for Obama faster than I ever could, and I helped out on his campaign in my state during the Democratic primaries!

The thought has occurred to me as well. If true, they're doing a mighty good job.

.. I can't believe I fell for it. Damn you, vast left-wing conspiracy!
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[QUOTE="remmbermytitans"]Hey. it's only been 10 freaking days. Give him a damn break. mysterylobster

If you think this is too soon then wait for my thread entitled "Barack Obama's first 100 days, a report card: Worst. President. Ever."

Look, I'm a Republican and by the looks of it so are you. He has had 10 days. It took God 7 days to create everything, (so they say), do you really think Barack Obama can do ANYTHING in 10 days? Not even Bush did anything in 10 days, not even Reagan did anything in 10 days. YOU couldn't do anything in 10 days. As of right now, I am giving Barack Obama the benefit of the doubt. If in six months he completely screws things up, then I'll stand right by you and right by all my Republican buddies bashing him. Until then, he's got my support.
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#91 mysterylobster
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do you really think Barack Obama can do ANYTHING in 10 days? Not even Bush did anything in 10 days, not even Reagan did anything in 10 days. YOU couldn't do anything in 10 days. .remmbermytitans
He significantly weakened our country in 10 days by closing Gitmo. That's one promise he followed through on.
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[QUOTE="remmbermytitans"]Hey. it's only been 10 freaking days. Give him a damn break. mysterylobster

If you think this is too soon then wait for my thread entitled "Barack Obama's first 100 days, a report card: Worst. President. Ever."

Nothing like adopting a reasonable, "wait-and-see" approach :roll:
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[QUOTE="remmbermytitans"]do you really think Barack Obama can do ANYTHING in 10 days? Not even Bush did anything in 10 days, not even Reagan did anything in 10 days. YOU couldn't do anything in 10 days. .mysterylobster
He significantly weakened our country in 10 days by closing Gitmo. That's one promise he followed through on.

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

-Benjamin Franklin

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#94 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

[QUOTE="remmbermytitans"]Hey. it's only been 10 freaking days. Give him a damn break. xaos

If you think this is too soon then wait for my thread entitled "Barack Obama's first 100 days, a report card: Worst. President. Ever."

Nothing like adopting a reasonable, "wait-and-see" approach :roll:

You honestly expected that from Mysterylobster?

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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

If you think this is too soon then wait for my thread entitled "Barack Obama's first 100 days, a report card: Worst. President. Ever."

chessmaster1989

Nothing like adopting a reasonable, "wait-and-see" approach :roll:

You honestly expected that from Mysterylobster?

No, I just didn't expect the enigmatic crustacean to be so blatant
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Why couldn't he break his promise to close Gitmo? mysterylobster
I guess this means we have to treat the "irregular" combatants our troops encounter in the field by the Geneva Convention now... and kill them on sight.
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The fact the responses to your threads seem so counter productive and yet you keep at it, to the point that it has occurred to some users that you might not be entirely serious in your posting isn't being a jerk. It is just recognizing a possibility.duxup
It also has nothing to do with the topic at hand, being just an excuse to ridicule the topic creator.
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[QUOTE="duxup"]The fact the responses to your threads seem so counter productive and yet you keep at it, to the point that it has occurred to some users that you might not be entirely serious in your posting isn't being a jerk. It is just recognizing a possibility.mysterylobster
It also has nothing to do with the topic at hand, being just an excuse to ridicule the topic creator.

Good job at manufacturing offense! Poe's Law in effect :)
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[QUOTE="remmbermytitans"]do you really think Barack Obama can do ANYTHING in 10 days? Not even Bush did anything in 10 days, not even Reagan did anything in 10 days. YOU couldn't do anything in 10 days. .mysterylobster
He significantly weakened our country in 10 days by closing Gitmo. That's one promise he followed through on.

It's not closed YET. Still a year to go. Plus, I'm hoping that McCain or someone will knock some sense into Obama. Or maybe Obama will realize that there's no where to put them and leave it open.
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[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="duxup"]The fact the responses to your threads seem so counter productive and yet you keep at it, to the point that it has occurred to some users that you might not be entirely serious in your posting isn't being a jerk. It is just recognizing a possibility.xaos
It also has nothing to do with the topic at hand, being just an excuse to ridicule the topic creator.

Good job at manufacturing offense! Poe's Law in effect :)

A quick link for people, like me, who had no idea what xaos was talking about prior to using The Google.