Obama's broken promises: A checklist

sounds like you are still bitter he won. It's okay man, you'll get over it.

[QUOTE="remmbermytitans"]do you really think Barack Obama can do ANYTHING in 10 days? Not even Bush did anything in 10 days, not even Reagan did anything in 10 days. YOU couldn't do anything in 10 days. .mysterylobster

I agree.

I've been stockpiling guns just in case Al Qaeda decides to invade the USA. I just don't believe our military will be able to stop them after it happens.

The guy's been president for like 10 days and we already have people making lists on "broken promises"? I mean, I support holding politicians' feet to the fire and all that, but...

The guy's been president for like 10 days and we already have people making lists on "broken promises"? I mean, I support holding politicians' feet to the fire and all that, but...

GabuEx

Hey, it's not my fault he broke his own rule about lobbyists days after making it, or that his rule on bill signings was broken with the very first bill that passed his desk. I didn't expect to be making this thread so soon. mysterylobster

No offense, but I never cease to be weirded out by the way in which Obama's detractors seem to have astronomically higher expectations for the guy than his supporters. Every time Obama does something, they're always like "See? He's not a Messiah!" and his supporters are just like "So? We kinda knew that."

Ah... partisanship at its very finest.

Here's the way I see it:

We had 8 years of Clinton's inaction in foreign affairs. The Republicans moaned and cried.

We had 8 years of Bush's inaction in domestic affairs. The Democrats moaned and cried.

This is the beginning of the Republican's turn to moan and cry. That's "change," right?

(It's also the reason I stay an independent. ;) )

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]Hey, it's not my fault he broke his own rule about lobbyists days after making it, or that his rule on bill signings was broken with the very first bill that passed his desk. I didn't expect to be making this thread so soon. GabuEx

No offense, but I never cease to be weirded out by the way in which Obama's detractors seem to have astronomically higher expectations for the guy than his supporters. Every time Obama does something, they're always like "See? He's not a Messiah!" and his supporters are just like "so?"

In one example, it's not even a campaign promise that he failed to keep, but an executive order made while he was President that he turned around and broke days after issuing it. This is stunning, sub-George Bush stuff. It amazes me that Obama's supporters overlook these things so easily.

Nobody has lower expectations for Obama than I do, and still he finds ways to surprise me.mysterylobster

The problem with this thread is that it's basically one huge straw man argument. Contrary to belief among Obama's detractors, not everyone who voted for him expected him to be the return of Jesus; they expected him to be a decent president who would do a better job than Bush did. I don't even know what "rule on bill signings" you're talking about, and quite frankly I really don't care, and judging from the reaction on this thread, neither does anyone else. So, it seems like a logical conclusion to me that you're expecting something of Obama that none of his supporters do.

The guy's been president for like 10 days and we already have people making lists on "broken promises"? I mean, I support holding politicians' feet to the fire and all that, but...

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]Hey, it's not my fault he broke his own rule about lobbyists days after making it, or that his rule on bill signings was broken with the very first bill that passed his desk. I didn't expect to be making this thread so soon. GabuEx

No offense, but I never cease to be weirded out by the way in which Obama's detractors seem to have astronomically higher expectations for the guy than his supporters. Every time Obama does something, they're always like "See? He's not a Messiah!" and his supporters are just like "So? We kinda knew that."

Maybe it is some sort of indirect straw man with an attempt to plant whatever sentiment they'd like their opponent supporters to feel. That or it all seems to be some weird attempt at prophecy, as if repeating such stuff enough times will make it true or create the outcome predicted. It is weird disconnected from the world in an odd sort of way.

It is kind of like the Pailin predictions where she supposedly would attract disillusioned Clinton voters. Who with any real understanding of who the Clinton supporters were and what they believe actually believed they'd vote for Palin just because she's a woman? If anything such claims hurt their own party, they believe their own smoke and it hurts them.

The problem with this thread is that it's basically one huge straw man argument. Contrary to belief among Obama's detractors, not everyone who voted for him expected him to be the return of Jesus; they expected him to be a decent president who would do a better job than Bush did.

This thread was never about Obama supporters; it's about Obama's broken promises. Obama should be held accountable for his actions regardless of what people expect from him.

I don't even know what "rule on bill signings" you're talking about, and quite frankly I really don't care, and judging from the reaction on this thread, neither does anyone else.

It's always a good idea to read the first post before responding.

GabuEx

Ah... partisanship at its very finest.

Here's the way I see it:

We had 8 years of Clinton's inaction in foreign affairs. The Republicans moaned and cried.

We had 8 years of Bush's inaction in domestic affairs. The Democrats moaned and cried.

This is the beginning of the Republican's turn to moan and cry. That's "change," right?

(It's also the reason I stay an independent. ;) )

OrkHammer007

At least someone here can see whats going on.

This thread was never about Obama supporters; it's about Obama's broken promises. Obama should be held accountable for his actions regardless of what people expect from him.

mysterylobster

For the entire campaign, Obama's detractors accused his supporters of thinking him a Messiah and jumped on every single thing he did in an attempt to prove that wrong. This thread is no different. It basically assumes that Obama's supporters care so deeply about the perfection of their savior that they would immediately become disenchanted by any minor nitpicks people might be able to find.

It's always a good idea to read the first post before responding.

mysterylobster

Having read the section that you're talking about, I really could not care less about that. I'd never even heard of this promise before today. Wait five days, sign it immediately, I don't see why it matters or why anyone would be jumping up and down saying that Obama changed his mind on such a complete triviality. Again, you're expecting more from Obama than his supporters expect.

The guy's been president for like 10 days and we already have people making lists on "broken promises"? I mean, I support holding politicians' feet to the fire and all that, but...

[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="mysterylobster"] Hey, it's not my fault he broke his own rule about lobbyists days after making it, or that his rule on bill signings was broken with the very first bill that passed his desk. I didn't expect to be making this thread so soon. mysterylobster

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

This thread was never about Obama supporters; it's about Obama's broken promises. Obama should be held accountable for his actions regardless of what people expect from him.

GabuEx

For the entire campaign, Obama's detractors accused his supporters of thinking him a Messiah and jumped on every single thing he did in an attempt to prove that wrong. This thread is no different. It basically assumes that Obama's supporters care so deeply about the perfection of their savior that they would immediately become disenchanted by any minor nitpicks people might be able to find.

You're doing exactly what others have done, which is to go after me and my reasons for posting this instead of commenting on Obama's broken promises. It's easier, I guess, to blame Obama's detractors instead of taking a hard look at your candidate.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="remmbermytitans"]do you really think Barack Obama can do ANYTHING in 10 days? Not even Bush did anything in 10 days, not even Reagan did anything in 10 days. YOU couldn't do anything in 10 days. .LosDaddie

I agree.

I've been stockpiling guns just in case Al Qaeda decides to invade the USA. I just don't believe our military will be able to stop them after it happens.

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"]

This thread was never about Obama supporters; it's about Obama's broken promises. Obama should be held accountable for his actions regardless of what people expect from him.

GabuEx

For the entire campaign, Obama's detractors accused his supporters of thinking him a Messiah and jumped on every single thing he did in an attempt to prove that wrong.

The "Messiah" line was just a Limbaugh talking point his listeners kept regurgitating. He was the only radio pundit to use the term.

You're being unreasonable if you expect all of Obama's promises to be fulfilled in his first few weeks of office.Vandalvideo

He's been in office for less than a month... :|Blu_Falcon37

You shouldn't be judging him until he is atleast two years into the presidency.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You shouldn't be judging him until he is atleast two years into the presidency.mysterylobster

And the Lilly Ledbetter thing was unfair. That bill has been in circulation for weeks. Heck I'VE read the entire dang thing.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]And the Lilly Ledbetter thing was unfair. That bill has been in circulation for weeks. Heck I'VE read the entire dang thing.mysterylobster

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

Ah... partisanship at its very finest.

Here's the way I see it:

We had 8 years of Clinton's inaction in foreign affairs. The Republicans moaned and cried.

We had 8 years of Bush's inaction in domestic affairs. The Democrats moaned and cried.

This is the beginning of the Republican's turn to moan and cry. That's "change," right?

(It's also the reason I stay an independent. ;) )

DaBrainz

At least someone here can see whats going on.

Here's the entire script for American political discourse in the years since I was born:

"OMG Watergate!!!" *everyone runs to the Democrats*... "OMG GAS PRICES AND SHORTAGES!!!" *everyone runs to the Republicans* "...OMG Somalia and NEW TAXES!!!" *everyone runs to the Democrats* ..."OMG Monica Lewinsky!!!" *everyone runs to the Republicans* ..."OMG Iraq and Gitmo!!!" *everyone runs to the Democrats*

In two years, it'll be "OMG *insert something insane here*!!!" and everyone will start running back to the Republicans... including many of you who have bashed them in just this thread alone. Guaranteed.

Meanwhile, several people have tried to start third parties to challenge the status quo. They've been marginalized and, in many cases, out-right flamed for even daring to challenge the Mighty Republicrat Monopoly (although, to be fair, both Ross Perot and Ralph Nader are certifiable nut-jobs).

Regardless of what he does/doesn't do in the Oval Office, Obama is still "business as usual," and won't make one shred of significant difference in the grand scheme of things, just because he's a Democrat. The only real change we need is a reliable third party that represents people, not empty ideology.

Speaking of broken promises... Mysterylobster promised to stop posting in OT if the McCain/Palin ticket didn't get elected.. I dont have time to search the topics to find that post, but why would anyone take one promise breakers words against another? I thought christianity frowned upon lying? Maybe thats just my assumption.. And yeah feel free to not acknowledge this post like you did last time I called you out on this ML...

On-topic, I honeslty wasn't expecting Obama to 100% redesign American politics in one month, and to be honest his efforts to change some flaws in our system is apparent.. There are steps being taken in the right direction, its just not a giant leap..

It's too soon to say if he will be good or bad.

The Dems and Repubs are equal halves of the national lobotomy.

It wouldn't be much better under one of those neocons.

Dude couldn't you wait a little more before making a checklist :roll:cyberdarkkid

*sigh*

Do you even realize what kind of list Bush has?

Do you even realize what kind of list Bush has?

links136

Speaking of broken promises... Mysterylobster promised to stop posting in OT if the McCain/Palin ticket didn't get elected..warbmxjohn

Not quite. What I said was that I didn't think I'd have any reason to post here again if Obama won. Well, I found a reason. Several in fact.

If you guys don't like my political threads, blame the mods. I wouldn't post political discussions if they let me post "hot guys" threads. Would you rather have this or pics of ripped abs dripping with man sweat?

[QUOTE="links136"]Do you even realize what kind of list Bush has?

mysterylobster

so you judge a 4 year long term after 10 days?

[QUOTE="mysterylobster"][QUOTE="links136"]Do you even realize what kind of list Bush has?

links136

so you judge a 4 year long term after 10 days?

You forgot about how during the campaign Obama said that we needed a better Afghanistan-Pakistan strategy than just bombing villages and killing innocent people, but on his second day in office, we bombed villages and killed 17 innocent people.fidosim

[QUOTE="fidosim"]You forgot about how during the campaign Obama said that we needed a better Afghanistan-Pakistan strategy than just bombing villages and killing innocent people, but on his second day in office, we bombed villages and killed 17 innocent people.mysterylobster

This reads like the Sony failed promises thread. :PJandurin

Not quite. What I said was that I didn't think I'd have any reason to post here again if Obama won. Well, I found a reason. Several in fact.

If you guys don't like my political threads, blame the mods. I wouldn't post political discussions if they let me post "hot guys" threads. Would you rather have this or pics of ripped abs dripping with man sweat?

mysterylobster

But its really tiring to regularly see threads deeply aiming at attacking liberals or praising conservatives.. Or even vice versa, tbh it seems as though you (and some others) yearn to encourage separation of humans through ideals.. I may not agree with conservatives but I do not feel they are the enemy, they are Americans and besides some petty differences we are all much more alike than some people would like.. Becoming a more united America or even world is pretty difficult if we have individuals on a personal crusade of their beliefs so strongly they refuse to acknowledge any positive value in the "opposition"...

I post in these threads and argue to solely defend my rational and intentions, not to attack your ideals. Now, can you say the same?