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#1 LUMIN4RY
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Carter is wealthy businessman who exudes false humility and suffers from the "guilt" of being a white, Christian American. He therefore became a white, Christian, anti-American, a trait that has become glaringly obvious in his post-presidential years. His signal "accomplishments" as president were two. First, he deepened the country's malaise by whining about it. Second, he did too little, too late, in reaction to the seizure of America's embassy, and the Americans in it, by Iranian thugs. Carter's ineffectual response to those Iranian thugs encouraged the belief that Americans would accede to terrorists' demands.

Reagan was unable to dismantle (or even do much damage to) the welfare-regulatory state that arose from the New Deal and Great Society, but he was able to vanquish the Soviet Union, without firing a shot.

Clinton's legacy is two-fold: the emasculation (no pun intended) of the armed forces, that's how he erased the budget deficit and the elevation of his (betrayed) wife to the status of "serious politician."

What do you think will be written in the books about Obama's Legacies?

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Reagan was able to vanquish the Soviet Union, without firing a shot.

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No Reagan just happened to be president when the Soviet Union fell due to internal problems.

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#3 spazzx625
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"First Black President" *wording may vary based on political correctness of the future
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#4 Morrdecai
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First Black president? :?
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A very intelligent individual that didin't have the experience to be president and was in way over his head.

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[QUOTE="spazzx625"]"First Black President" *wording may vary based on political correctness of the future

It wouldn't be shocking if that still sticks with Clinton.
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[QUOTE="LUMIN4RY"]

Reagan was able to vanquish the Soviet Union, without firing a shot.

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No Reagan just happened to be president when the Soviet Union fell due to internal problems.

I should of put /sarcasm after it, apologies.

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#8 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="LUMIN4RY"]

Reagan was able to vanquish the Soviet Union, without firing a shot.

LUMIN4RY

No Reagan just happened to be president when the Soviet Union fell due to internal problems.

I should of put /sarcasm after it, apologies.

I see. That's okay then.:P
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A talented and moderate individual who broke one of the last remaining color barriers and then did the best he could in a political environment where one party has gone certifiably insane and off the deep end, pulled us back from the brink of the second Great Depression that he inherited (fingers crossed), ended two wars started by his predecessor, ended DADT, enacted the first new entitlement program since FDR that will only grow and be strengthened over time, and killed the greatest terrorist that the U.S. had ever known.
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I think in 30 to 50 years, when all the programs he believed in and thought America would benefit from are instituted and in operation, I think we will look back and go "Gee, we really should have listened to our president back then, he really was right about most things"

I think Obama is ahead of his time, which is unfortunate.

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I think in 30 to 50 years, when all the programs he believed in and thought America would benefit from are instituted and in operation, I think we will look back and go "Gee, we really should have listened to our president back then, he really was right about most things"

I think Obama is ahead of his time, which is unfortunate.

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I think he's a pretty much meh president. Not terrible but not very good.
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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

I think in 30 to 50 years, when all the programs he believed in and thought America would benefit from are instituted and in operation, I think we will look back and go "Gee, we really should have listened to our president back then, he really was right about most things"

I think Obama is ahead of his time, which is unfortunate.

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I think he's a pretty much meh president. Not terrible but not very good.

I agree. 15-20 years from now, I don't think he's going to be remember much at all beyond being the first black president.

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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

I think in 30 to 50 years, when all the programs he believed in and thought America would benefit from are instituted and in operation, I think we will look back and go "Gee, we really should have listened to our president back then, he really was right about most things"

I think Obama is ahead of his time, which is unfortunate.

LJS9502_basic

I think he's a pretty much meh president. Not terrible but not very good.

I would agree, but only under the condition that his "meh-ness" was due to petty squabbling, a faultless (on his part) inability to get things done, and worse.

I think when he gets reelected we are going to see him getting a lot more done. Time to let the Obama loose!

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I disagree with some of your analysis.

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Do you think he will be remembered for getting Osama bin Laden or was it because he just happened to be President?

Would we have gotten him no matter who was in the presidential seat?

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I think Obama's legacy will be his lack of resolve. He came in with a good portion of the vote and a lot of popular support. He had fairly high approval ratings despite a dismal economy. Yet he always seemed so willing to concede to the republican party. He came in with almost a mandate for health care and economic reform, but he seemed to falter on both. He passed health reform, but it was a very watered down version of what he promised and wanted despite having control of congress at the time. His policy on gay rights is lauded, but he really didnt step up to the plate for them. He kind of dragged his feet until popular opinion supported them, then he jumped on board. So I give hima pass for that but not praise. And for the debt deal, I felt like he caved on his ideals and let the republican party dictate the deal.

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could have been a much better president if he hadn't inherited such a bad situation. i think it will also depend on how people will remember osama, whether he will stay strongly in the minds of americans or if they will begin to forget him more and more since he's been dead.
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I think Obama's legacy will be his lack of resolve. He came in with a good portion of the vote and a lot of popular support. He had fairly high approval ratings despite a dismal economy. Yet he always seemed so willing to concede to the republican party. He came in with almost a mandate for health care and economic reform, but he seemed to falter on both. He passed health reform, but it was a very watered down version of what he promised and wanted despite having control of congress at the time. His policy on gay rights is lauded, but he really didnt step up to the plate for them. He kind of dragged his feet until popular opinion supported them, then he jumped on board. So I give hima pass for that but not praise. And for the debt deal, I felt like he caved on his ideals and let the republican party dictate the deal.

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I'd add that his failure to aggressively prosecute people in his predecessor's administration who signed off on torture and extraordinary rendition is also a stain on his legacy.
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This.

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"First Black President" *wording may vary based on political correctness of the futurespazzx625
That was Clinton :P

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could have been a much better president if he hadn't inherited such a bad situation. i think it will also depend on how people will remember osama, whether he will stay strongly in the minds of americans or if they will begin to forget him more and more since he's been dead.xTheExploited
I think inheriting crap certainly has an affect. That being said, when you walk into a crap-storm, typically it's easier to make improvements than when times are 'good.' Unfortunately, the only thing that Obama can really claim as a success is "it didn't get any worse" which, in my opinion, is ambiguous at best.

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A talented and moderate individual who broke one of the last remaining color barriers and then did the best he could in a political environment where one party has gone certifiably insane and off the deep end, pulled us back from the brink of the second Great Depression that he inherited (fingers crossed), ended two wars started by his predecessor, ended DADT, enacted the first new entitlement program since FDR that will only grow and be strengthened over time, and killed the greatest terrorist that the U.S. had ever known.nocoolnamejim
So hes a moderate now :lol:

I am sorry but how long are you going to keep blaming bush (who was bad) and start saying this is President Obamas economy...


Yes he inherited a big problem but its nearly four years now...

And last time I checked he did not kill Bin Laden our great men and women did.

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Many Presidents have inherited problems from previous administrations. When is enough... enough in the blame game?

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Many Presidents have inherited problems from previous administrations. When is enough... enough in the blame game?

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So you're blaming Bush?
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A talented and moderate individual who broke one of the last remaining color barriers and then did the best he could in a political environment where one party has gone certifiably insane and off the deep end, pulled us back from the brink of the second Great Depression that he inherited (fingers crossed), ended two wars started by his predecessor, ended DADT, enacted the first new entitlement program since FDR that will only grow and be strengthened over time, and killed the greatest terrorist that the U.S. had ever known.nocoolnamejim
If your fingers are crossed how can you attribute a success for that? Anyway...Osama would have been caught sooner or later no matter the president. No way was any president going to stop looking for him....though Obama didn't kill him. He just didn't end the search. The US military should get the honor of ending the reign of Osama.
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Many Presidents have inherited problems from previous administrations. When is enough... enough in the blame game?

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Clinton inherited a mess....and he cleaned it up only to have it return when he left.
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]A talented and moderate individual who broke one of the last remaining color barriers and then did the best he could in a political environment where one party has gone certifiably insane and off the deep end, pulled us back from the brink of the second Great Depression that he inherited (fingers crossed), ended two wars started by his predecessor, ended DADT, enacted the first new entitlement program since FDR that will only grow and be strengthened over time, and killed the greatest terrorist that the U.S. had ever known.fueled-system

So hes a moderate now :lol:

I am sorry but how long are you going to keep blaming bush (who was bad) and start saying this is President Obamas economy...


Yes he inherited a big problem but its nearly four years now...

And last time I checked he did not kill Bin Laden our great men and women did.

I'd say Obama has been fairly moderate. As for bin Laden, it was Obama's call to go in and take him out. If people want to give Reagan credit for ending the cold war, I think you have to give Obama credit for getting bin Laden.

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[QUOTE="LUMIN4RY"]

Many Presidents have inherited problems from previous administrations. When is enough... enough in the blame game?

realguitarhero5

So you're blaming Bush?

What I'm saying is you can only give the excuse of the previous administrations problems being inherited for so long before you start looking like a very weak President.

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[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]A talented and moderate individual who broke one of the last remaining color barriers and then did the best he could in a political environment where one party has gone certifiably insane and off the deep end, pulled us back from the brink of the second Great Depression that he inherited (fingers crossed), ended two wars started by his predecessor, ended DADT, enacted the first new entitlement program since FDR that will only grow and be strengthened over time, and killed the greatest terrorist that the U.S. had ever known.sonicare

So hes a moderate now :lol:

I am sorry but how long are you going to keep blaming bush (who was bad) and start saying this is President Obamas economy...


Yes he inherited a big problem but its nearly four years now...

And last time I checked he did not kill Bin Laden our great men and women did.

I'd say Obama has been fairly moderate. As for bin Laden, it was Obama's call to go in and take him out. If people want to give Reagan credit for ending the cold war, I think you have to give Obama credit for getting bin Laden.

Just as some people give too much blame to the president....so, too, do some people give too much praise.

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[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]A talented and moderate individual who broke one of the last remaining color barriers and then did the best he could in a political environment where one party has gone certifiably insane and off the deep end, pulled us back from the brink of the second Great Depression that he inherited (fingers crossed), ended two wars started by his predecessor, ended DADT, enacted the first new entitlement program since FDR that will only grow and be strengthened over time, and killed the greatest terrorist that the U.S. had ever known.sonicare

So hes a moderate now :lol:

I am sorry but how long are you going to keep blaming bush (who was bad) and start saying this is President Obamas economy...


Yes he inherited a big problem but its nearly four years now...

And last time I checked he did not kill Bin Laden our great men and women did.

I'd say Obama has been fairly moderate. As for bin Laden, it was Obama's call to go in and take him out. If people want to give Reagan credit for ending the cold war, I think you have to give Obama credit for getting bin Laden.

They have been investigating since the beginning of the war... it was just that they found where he was this year. And Obama gave the go. I wouldn't give Obama credit. I give the CIA, Navy, and any other agencies the credit.

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He said he'd cut the deficit in half but the deficit was quadrupled in his first year. I guess he figured it would be easier to cut the deficit in half if he first quadrupled it.
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Right now it is impossible to say. I do think that he will be probably be looked at favorably for being the one who finally implemented a universal health care system in the US. As for the rest of his legacy, I have no idea. If things keep continuing on at this rate I don't think many good things are going to be said.

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[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]A talented and moderate individual who broke one of the last remaining color barriers and then did the best he could in a political environment where one party has gone certifiably insane and off the deep end, pulled us back from the brink of the second Great Depression that he inherited (fingers crossed), ended two wars started by his predecessor, ended DADT, enacted the first new entitlement program since FDR that will only grow and be strengthened over time, and killed the greatest terrorist that the U.S. had ever known.sonicare

So hes a moderate now :lol:

I am sorry but how long are you going to keep blaming bush (who was bad) and start saying this is President Obamas economy...


Yes he inherited a big problem but its nearly four years now...

And last time I checked he did not kill Bin Laden our great men and women did.

I'd say Obama has been fairly moderate. As for bin Laden, it was Obama's call to go in and take him out. If people want to give Reagan credit for ending the cold war, I think you have to give Obama credit for getting bin Laden.

I wouldnt really say he was moderate, hes not as "liberal and socalist" as Hannity and Limbaugh brainwash people into believing.

As for the kill, yes he gave the call and yes he SHOULD get credit but what the other guy said was that HE KILLED Bin Laden, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE.

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]So hes a moderate now :lol:

I am sorry but how long are you going to keep blaming bush (who was bad) and start saying this is President Obamas economy...


Yes he inherited a big problem but its nearly four years now...

And last time I checked he did not kill Bin Laden our great men and women did.

fueled-system

I'd say Obama has been fairly moderate. As for bin Laden, it was Obama's call to go in and take him out. If people want to give Reagan credit for ending the cold war, I think you have to give Obama credit for getting bin Laden.

I wouldnt really say he was moderate, hes not as "liberal and socalist" as Hannity and Limbaugh brainwash people into believing.

As for the kill, yes he gave the call and yes he SHOULD get credit but what the other guy said was that HE KILLED Bin Laden, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE.

No he's not a moderate. I'm a moderate and he's a bit more extreme than I am.

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]So hes a moderate now :lol:

I am sorry but how long are you going to keep blaming bush (who was bad) and start saying this is President Obamas economy...


Yes he inherited a big problem but its nearly four years now...

And last time I checked he did not kill Bin Laden our great men and women did.

fueled-system

I'd say Obama has been fairly moderate. As for bin Laden, it was Obama's call to go in and take him out. If people want to give Reagan credit for ending the cold war, I think you have to give Obama credit for getting bin Laden.

I wouldnt really say he was moderate, hes not as "liberal and socalist" as Hannity and Limbaugh brainwash people into believing.

As for the kill, yes he gave the call and yes he SHOULD get credit but what the other guy said was that HE KILLED Bin Laden, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE.

You're splitting hairs there. Bin Laden was killed on his watch under his direction, after he was ripped during the 2008 campaign for openly saying that if Bin Laden was found to be hiding in Pakistan he'd give the order to go in. The McCain campaign and most of the conservative right ripped him for saying that, claiming that it was reckless, irresponsible, proof he wasn't ready to lead, etc. Just like Bush gets credit for Saddam, Obama gets credit for Osama.
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[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"] I'd say Obama has been fairly moderate. As for bin Laden, it was Obama's call to go in and take him out. If people want to give Reagan credit for ending the cold war, I think you have to give Obama credit for getting bin Laden.

LJS9502_basic

I wouldnt really say he was moderate, hes not as "liberal and socalist" as Hannity and Limbaugh brainwash people into believing.

As for the kill, yes he gave the call and yes he SHOULD get credit but what the other guy said was that HE KILLED Bin Laden, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE.

No he's not a moderate. I'm a moderate and he's a bit more extreme than I am.

I am a moderate to which is why I said he aint but hes not the FAR FAR left wing extremist that Rush and Sean are saying is my point

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[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"][QUOTE="LUMIN4RY"]

Many Presidents have inherited problems from previous administrations. When is enough... enough in the blame game?

LUMIN4RY

So you're blaming Bush?

What I'm saying is you can only give the excuse of the previous administrations problems being inherited for so long before you start looking like a very weak President.

Oh good I thought you were one of those people who blame all of Obama's shortcomings on Bush.

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I think Obama has the worst congress than any of the presidents mentioned so far,

If only the Tea Party wasn't around. A lot more things can be done.

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And yes, Obama has governed as a moderate. If anything, he's governed as a moderate conservative rather than a moderate liberal. Many of the policies he's implemented were REPUBLICAN ideas up until the point he embraced them. Link #1Link #2Link#3Link#4Link#5 On issue after issue, Obama has thumbed his nose at the left part of his party. He's gotten a reputation of being a far left liberal while governing, basically, like a British style Tory.
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[quote="Ezra Klein of the Washington Post"] If you put aside the emergency measures required by the financial crisis, three major policy ideas have dominated American politics in recent years: a plan that uses an individual mandate and tax subsidies to achieve near-universal health care; a cap-and-trade plan that attempts to raise the prices of environmental pollutants to better account for their costs; and bringing tax rates up from their Bush-era lows as part of a bid to reduce the deficit. In each case, the position that Obama and the Democrats have staked out is the very position that moderate Republicans have staked out before. Take health-care reform. The individual mandate was developed by a group of conservative economists in the early '90s. Mark Pauly, an economist at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, was one of them. "We were concerned about the specter of single-payer insurance," he told me recently. The conservative Heritage Foundation soon had an individual-mandate plan of its own, and when President Bill Clinton endorsed an employer mandate in his health-care proposal, both major Republican alternatives centered on an individual mandate. By 1995, more than 20 Senate Republicans - including Chuck Grassley, Orrin Hatch, Dick Lugar and a few others still in office - had signed one individual mandate bill or another. The story on cap and trade - which conservatives now like to call "cap and tax" - is much the same. Back then, the concern was sulfur dioxide, the culprit behind acid rain. President George H.W. Bush wanted a solution that relied on the market rather than on government regulation. So in the Clean Air Act of 1990, he proposed a plan that would cap sulfur-dioxide emissions but let the market decide how to allocate the permits. That was "more compatible with economic growth than using only the command and control approaches of the past," he said. The plan passed easily, with "aye" votes from Sen. Mitch McConnell and then-Rep. Newt Gingrich, among others. In fact, as recently as 2007, Gingrich said that "if you have mandatory carbon caps combined with a trading system, much like we did with sulfur . . . it's something I would strongly support." As for the 1990 budget deal, Bush initially resisted tax increases, but eventually realized they were necessary to get the job done. "It is clear to me that both the size of the deficit problem and the need for a package that can be enacted require all of the following: entitlement and mandatory program reform, tax revenue increases, growth incentives, discretionary spending reductions, orderly reductions in defense expenditures, and budget process reform," he said. That deal, incidentally, was roughly half tax increases and half spending cuts. Obama's budget has far fewer tax increases. And compared with what would happen if the Bush tax cuts were allowed to expire in 2012, it actually includes a large tax cut. The normal reason a party abandons its policy ideas is that those ideas fail in practice. But that's not the case here. These initiatives were wildly successful. Gov. Mitt Romney passed an individual mandate in Massachusetts and drove its number of uninsured below 5 percent. The Clean Air Act of 1990 solved the sulfur-dioxide problem. The 1990 budget deal helped cut the deficit and set the stage for a remarkable run of growth. Rather, it appears that as Democrats moved to the right to pick up Republican votes, Republicans moved to the right to oppose Democratic proposals. As Gingrich's quote suggests, cap and trade didn't just have Republican support in the 1990s. John McCain included a cap-and-trade plan in his 2008 platform. The same goes for an individual mandate, which Grassley endorsed in June 2009 - mere months before he began calling the policy "unconstitutional."

On most of the major issues of the day that are non-social policy in nature (like Abortion or Gay Rights) Obama's position is the one that Republicans came up with and supported in the 90s. The issue is that the political "center" has moved to the right with the Teaparty's influence.
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#42 Planet_Pluto
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Many different aspects and no way to predict the future, BUT........

We'll all rue the day that Obama urged Mubarak out of power in Egypt, paving the way for the MuslimBrotherhood.

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#43 deactivated-5e7f8a21de9dd
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This.

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#45 deactivated-5e7f8a21de9dd
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[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]

This.

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When watching this I don't know if I want to laugh or cry.

Cry.
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#46 Sparty_basic
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His legacy, for me, has already been set. He's the President who authorized the murder of an American Citizen without Due Process.

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#47 Maniacc1
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If there's anything positive he will be remembered for, it will be the death of Osama (although his capture was probably inevitable). Other than that he will probably remembered as a president who inherited hard times and was largely unable to fix them as a result of political tensions and ineffective policy. Which is sad, considering his potential and true desire to help.
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#48 Maniacc1
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Not a very good president. Universal health care is absolutely terrible for our country. The debt ceiling was just raised for the 75th time in 50 years because of our Federal government's lack of fiscal responsibility. He hasn't done anything at all to help our debt situation or our economy. Bailing out GM was a socialist move. It was 100% the wrong move. Bailing out the banks I can sort of agree with because if the banks go under we'd all be screwed. However, bailing out GM goes against the ways of a free market capitalist system. Vuurk
The first bailout of the Big Three automakers was signed into law by George W. Bush. Who I suppose is "socialist" as well. The debt ceiling debate is hardly new, considering it was raised more than 11 times during Ronald Reagan's presidency. Should have stopped it then I'm afraid. ;)
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#49 -Sun_Tzu-
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Many different aspects and no way to predict the future, BUT........

We'll all rue the day that Obama urged Mubarak out of power in Egypt, paving the way for the MuslimBrotherhood.

Planet_Pluto
You're giving Obama a bit too much credit for the end of the Mubarak regime. Obama had almost nothing to do with it. Mubarak was on his way out regardless. As for the Muslim Brotherhood, they really don't have the credibility needed to take control of the country.
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#50 Kaisos
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Obama is better than any republican president was for the last 50 years.