Obamas Presidential Legacy

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Obama is better than any republican president was for the last 50 years.

Kaisos

Better at what? Keeping Gitmo open? Authorizing the murder of a citizen without due process? Look, I get that people like him, but I'm afraid it's more of a cult of personality than anything else. I'm glad they repealed DADT on his watch. I think he's done a few nice things, but to elevate just makes no sense.

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Many Presidents have inherited problems from previous administrations. When is enough... enough in the blame game?

LJS9502_basic

Not a very good president. Universal health care is absolutely terrible for our country. Vuurk

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Many Presidents have inherited problems from previous administrations. When is enough... enough in the blame game?

chessmaster1989

Here's what I see with Obama:

He's a very intelligent, very serious and very resonant man. He knows what he's talking about. He understands how everything works and tries as best as he can, with the support he has, to make things better.

He is not arrogant or ignorant. He's willing to compromise for the good of the country as a whole, even if it means breaking some promises to his own party. He directly talks with both parties for discussions and debates. He doesn't let his cabinet do his job for him. He has an impeccable public image. He appears to be a very honest and loyal family man. He's down-to-earth.

He looks at the country with a global view. He understands the USA is part of a planet, not the center of the universe.

Whether or not he wins another 4 years or his Presidency ends next year, I feel confident in saying that he has done eveything possible and reasonable as President to make the country better and I hope he gets another 4 years.

I would never say even half these things about George W. Bush, and that idiot got two terms.

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realguitarhero5

Here's what I see with Obama:

He is not arrogant

Netherscourge

A man who speaks in platitudes and thinks that's getting things done. Gosh, you almost feel sorry for a sitting president going into a reelection campaign that can't run on their record.

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realguitarhero5

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="Vuurk"]Not a very good president. Universal health care is absolutely terrible for our country. Vuurk

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Here's what I see with Obama:

He is not arrogant

LJS9502_basic

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Many Presidents have inherited problems from previous administrations. When is enough... enough in the blame game?

chessmaster1989

True, Clinton inheritied a minor hiccup by comparison. It was barely a recession.

I would say though that Obama has displayed a greater degree of deference to Congress and the rule of law than his predecessor did and a more conciliatory foreign policy.nocoolnamejim

You mean like being in contempt of court over his offshore oil drilling moratorium and violating the War Powers Act?

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Here's what I see with Obama:

He is not arrogant

nocoolnamejim

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Whether one likes Obama's politics or not...the man does display arrogance.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] I don't think you get to the position of president of the United States without being arrogant. Thinking you're qualified to be the leader of the world's sole remaining superpower and the head of the free world is kind of the very definition of arrogant. I would say though that Obama has displayed a greater degree of deference to Congress and the rule of law than his predecessor did and a more conciliatory foreign policy.-Sun_Tzu-

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]His policies have been challenged in court.....not many presidents can say that.LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]His policies have been challenged in court.....not many presidents can say that.LJS9502_basic

Not at all. Which specific president's do you think didn't have their policies challenged in court?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Most presidents can say that, actually.

Not at all. Which specific president's do you think didn't have their policies challenged in court?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Most? Seems a bit of an exaggeration.sonicare

Not at all. Which specific president's do you think didn't have their policies challenged in court?

:lol: probably true.

Although interestingly, it looks like his death did cause a bit of constitutional questioning. From Wikipedia:

"Harrison's death revealed the flaws in the constitution's clauses on presidential succession.[73]Article II of the Constitution states that "In case of the removal of the President from office, or of his death, resignation, or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the said office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, ... and [the Vice President] shall act accordingly, until the disability be removed, or a President shall be elected". Scholars at the time disagreed whether the vice president would become President or merely Acting President. Further, the Constitution did not stipulate whether the vice president could serve the remainder of the president's term, until the next election, or if emergency elections should be held."

Wellthere has been so many "mehh" presidents in our history so he should be able to find a place just fine.

[QUOTE="TigerWars"]He will be remembered for what he is and that is a very controversial president. I voted for him and, while I like him as a person, he is an awful president. The fact that he got elected in the worst financial crisis this nation has seen since the Great Depression and spent his first 2 and half years pushing health-care reform really turned me off. Now was not the time for that. He and his administration have also repeatedly misspoke or straight-up lied about the state of the ecomony. So, no, I don't like Obama. Also i HATE how democrats and the extreme left portray any people that don't like him as racist or bigoted. THAT makes me sick and very angry.DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="TigerWars"]He will be remembered for what he is and that is a very controversial president. I voted for him and, while I like him as a person, he is an awful president. The fact that he got elected in the worst financial crisis this nation has seen since the Great Depression and spent his first 2 and half years pushing health-care reform really turned me off. Now was not the time for that. He and his administration have also repeatedly misspoke or straight-up lied about the state of the ecomony. So, no, I don't like Obama. Also i HATE how democrats and the extreme left portray any people that don't like him as racist or bigoted. THAT makes me sick and very angry.TigerWars

[QUOTE="TigerWars"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Politicians lying? No way.DroidPhysX

The First Black President.

The president everyone went doh after voting for him

Probably similar to someone like Chester A. Arthur. Not a bad guy, but just kind of a s*** time for anybody to be president. Not really so much a presidential legacy as a presidential nobodyexceptUShistorybuffswillevenknowanythingaboutacy.

The First Black President.

The president everyone went doh after voting for him

James161324

The president everyone went doh after voting for him

James161324

Easier to show than tell...

It'll probably be a little like this:

1. Black guy

2. Health-care

3. Big Spender, high deficits

He was a huge spender who killed Osama. So he was like a really really really expensive hitman. Yeah. Politics are fun.tylergamereview

A talented and moderate individual who broke one of the last remaining color barriers and then did the best he could in a political environment where one party has gone certifiably insane and off the deep end, pulled us back from the brink of the second Great Depression that he inherited (fingers crossed), ended two wars started by his predecessor, ended DADT, enacted the first new entitlement program since FDR that will only grow and be strengthened over time, and killed the greatest terrorist that the U.S. had ever known.nocoolnamejim

So far he hasn't ended the two wars, but he has gotten us embroiled into another one.

It'll probably be a little like this:

1. Black guy

2. Health-care

3. Big Spender, high deficits

whipassmt

Hopefully the beer summit isn't part of his legacy.

A talented and moderate individual who broke one of the last remaining color barriers and then did the best he could in a political environment where one party has gone certifiably insane and off the deep end, pulled us back from the brink of the second Great Depression that he inherited (fingers crossed), ended two wars started by his predecessor, ended DADT, enacted the first new entitlement program since FDR that will only grow and be strengthened over time, and killed the greatest terrorist that the U.S. had ever known.nocoolnamejim

Actually the timeline for ending the Iraq War that the U.S. follows is the one outline in the Status of Forces Agreement which was negotiated between the Bush Administration and The Iraqis in 2007-08, so its more accurate to say that Obama would just be the guy sitting in office when U.S. troops withdraw and Bush and Petraeus are the ones that actually came up with the plan.

Not a very good president. Universal health care is absolutely terrible for our country. The debt ceiling was just raised for the 75th time in 50 years because of our Federal government's lack of fiscal responsibility. He hasn't done anything at all to help our debt situation or our economy. Bailing out GM was a socialist move. It was 100% the wrong move. Bailing out the banks I can sort of agree with because if the banks go under we'd all be screwed. However, bailing out GM goes against the ways of a free market capitalist system. Vuurk

In a free market capitalist system we should be screwed for the poor decisions we made. You can justify bailing out one but not the other while using the free market capitalist system as your reasoning.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]A talented and moderate individual who broke one of the last remaining color barriers and then did the best he could in a political environment where one party has gone certifiably insane and off the deep end, pulled us back from the brink of the second Great Depression that he inherited (fingers crossed), ended two wars started by his predecessor, ended DADT, enacted the first new entitlement program since FDR that will only grow and be strengthened over time, and killed the greatest terrorist that the U.S. had ever known.whipassmt

Actually the timeline for ending the Iraq War that the U.S. follows is the one outline in the Status of Forces Agreement which was negotiated between the Bush Administration and The Iraqis in 2007-08, so its more accurate to say that Obama would just be the guy sitting in office when U.S. troops withdraw and Bush and Petraeus are the ones that actually came up with the plan.

This is what we call a political ploy that more or less left the pile of crap for the next presidency to deal with(based on the popularity of republicans, democrats).. Just like how the Bush tax cuts were strategically placed in ending.. Both parties do this all the time to force blame on one another.

I think history will look back favorably on him considering how much **** he inherited. It's the people opposing and filibustering everything that will be looked back upon in a negative way. HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]I think history will look back favorably on him considering how much **** he inherited. It's the people opposing and filibustering everything that will be looked back upon in a negative way. DroidPhysX

Right now, first black president, the Stimulus Bill, Don't Ask Don't Tell, and Osama are a few big things. The biggest may turn out to be how Healthcare works, if it becomes very popular, so will peoples opinions on him after he is gone. Hopefully it will always be written how terrible this congress was though. Really though his legacy will depend on if he gets elected for another term, this first term has been largely dedicated cleaning up the enormous mess that the last administration left for him (recession, wars, ect). I truly think that either way he will go down as a great president when all is said and done (and I mean in like 50 years not the near future). tman93

The way I see it.. Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot.. The most sane looking republican right now, Romney, is hated by Republicans and he can be attacked for be a gigantic hypocrit.. Then we have people like the Godfather Pizza owner who wants to violate the first amendment in banning the building of all Mosques in the US.. And he is one of the people closer to Romney when it comes to funds so far.. I think they are screwed.. To win the Republican candidate imo has to distance themselves from the Republican congress, namely Cantor and Boehner.. But at the same time that pretty much would guarentee them from never winning the Republican primary.