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#1 Laihendi
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Please use this thread to ask any questions about Objectivism that you have. Objectivism is a philosophy founded by the great philosopher and novelist Ayn Rand, who wrote Atlas Shrugged which is a masterpiece of philsophy and narrative literature. I will answer any questions that I can, and I encourage other Objectivists here to participate in answering as well. This is a good opportunity to educate the public about ethics, economics, politics, art, sex, etc.

If I happen to overlook your question and it is a serious question, then please repost it and I will likely answer it.

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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

are you autistic?

Laihendi

Autism (in the sense of it being a disorder) does not exist. It is a label applied to individuals who refuse to conform to a society built on irrational traditions. The medical and psychological establishment of the status quo upholds the status quo by labeling anyone who does not conform to the status quo as being mentally impaired.

So yes, then.

Hate to break it to ya, but autism isn't about "conformity." It's about the way your brain works.

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Is there only one way to look at an issue objectively, or are there multiple ways?

GOGOGOGURT

The conclusion reached by a rational thought-process will vary according to the extent of the knowledge of the person carrying out that thought-process. The varying extent of knowledge held by different people will result in a variety of objective interpretations of issues, but many of these interpretations are based on faulty premises. Here is a relevant quote from Galt's speech.

To exist is to be something, as distinguished from the nothing of non-existence, it is to be an entity of a specific nature made of specific attributes. Centuries ago, the man who wasno matter what his errorsthe greatest of your philosophers, has stated the formula defining the concept of existence and the rule of all knowledge: A is A. A thing is itself. You have never grasped the meaning of his statement. I am here to complete it: Existence is Identity, Consciousness is Identification. Whatever you choose to consider, be it an object, an attribute or an action, the law of identity remains the same. A leaf cannot be a stone at the same time, it cannot be all red and all green at the same time, it cannot freeze and burn at the same time. A is A. Or, if you wish it stated in simpler language: You cannot have your cake and eat it, too.

Objective reality is absolute and non-contradictory. There may be different interpretations of an issue, but if two interpretations contradict each other, then one (or both) is wrong.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] You may as well say I'm an objectivist too since I look at obvjective information to come to decisions. However I'm pretty obviously not an Objectivist as that mostly just means Ayn Rand Fanboy.Ace6301
i'd love to be pointed to my randian fanboyism

  I never accused you of it so I'd supposed you would have to find someone else to do that.

i am so glad i did not go on my long rant about "objectivits" collectivizing

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Copyright laws are immoral, and that is the only serious issue that Ayn Rand was wrong about. I will remind people that I am not inclined to answer questions that do not seem to be motivated by a desire to learn about Objectivism (an example being sammitch's question of whether I have played Bioshock).

Bioshock concerns itself with Objectivism and Rand though. Also Sammich I asked him that before and he said no he hadn't nor does he intend to. Shame really. I'd love to see him either missing the point or rating it a 1.0.
I am so glad i did not go on my long rant about "objectivits" collectivizingsurrealnumber5
I am also glad that you did not do that.
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Speaking of missing the point...

So, you've stated that in To Kill a Mockingbird, you believe that Tom Robinson was guilty all along. Given that this pretty much completely contradicts the story's central themes (i.e. innocence killed by ignorance and malice), then what exactly do you think the point of the book/film was?

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#8 Laihendi
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Speaking of missing the point...

So, you've stated that in To Kill a Mockingbird, you believe that Tom Robinson was guilty all along. Given that this pretty much completely contradicts the story's central themes (i.e. innocence killed by ignorance and malice), then what exactly do you think the point of the book/film was?

PannicAtack

I do not recall there being a point to any of it. It is just a bunch of subjectivist pseudo-philosophy.
What's immoral about copyright laws? Copyright laws prevent theft of intellectual property.Aljosa23
Copyright laws are a restriction of the exchange of ideas. It is a violation of the mind, and of the expression of the mind. Ideas are immaterial and therefore cannot be owned as property. Plagiarism is obviously a potential issue, but that should be addressed at a private level between writers/employers, teachers/students, etc. A writer who plagiarizes should be fired, his books should not be bought, and so on. Employers and institutions that do not want plagiarism (which rationally would be all of them) should have a strict anti-plagiarism policy that will allow them to dismiss those who violate it.

I am done answering questions tonight. I will answer more tomorrow.

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#9 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

Speaking of missing the point...

So, you've stated that in To Kill a Mockingbird, you believe that Tom Robinson was guilty all along. Given that this pretty much completely contradicts the story's central themes (i.e. innocence killed by ignorance and malice), then what exactly do you think the point of the book/film was?

Laihendi

I do not recall there being a point to any of it. It is just a bunch of subjectivist pseudo-philosophy. 

It's grade-school literature. Are you seriously saying you can't grasp its themes?

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Do parents have the right to abuse their children?
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#12 cain006
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Psh just about everybody's an objectivist. I mean most people are working towards an objective throughout their life. Stop acting like you're so special.

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#13 Slashless
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How was middle school today?

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can I put cats in burgers and lie to people and tell them they are high quality beef?

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#15 Laihendi
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are you autistic?

MakeMeaSammitch
Autism (in the sense of it being a disorder) does not exist. It is a label applied to individuals who refuse to conform to a society built on irrational traditions. The medical and psychological establishment of the status quo upholds the status quo by labeling anyone who does not conform to the status quo as being mentally impaired.
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'Great philosopher and novelist Ayn Rand', oh boy that was good for a laugh. Do you think Ayn Rand would have been a fan of Elijah Wood's acting?
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#17 GOGOGOGURT
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Is there only one way to look at an issue objectively, or are there multiple ways?

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#18 Slashless
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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

are you autistic?

Laihendi

Autism (in the sense of it being a disorder) does not exist. It is a label applied to individuals who refuse to conform to a society built on irrational traditions. The medical and psychological establishment of the status quo upholds the status quo by labeling anyone who does not conform to the status quo as being mentally impaired.

So yes.

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#19 MakeMeaSammitch
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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

are you autistic?

Laihendi

Autism (in the sense of it being a disorder) does not exist. It is a label applied to individuals who refuse to conform to a society built on irrational traditions. The medical and psychological establishment of the status quo upholds the status quo by labeling anyone who does not conform to the status quo as being mentally impaired.

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Should it be legal to have sex with animals?

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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

are you autistic?

Laihendi
Autism (in the sense of it being a disorder) does not exist. It is a label applied to individuals who refuse to conform to a society built on irrational traditions. The medical and psychological establishment of the status quo upholds the status quo by labeling anyone who does not conform to the status quo as being mentally impaired.

The status quo being normal cognitive function?
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'Great philosopher and novelist Ayn Rand', oh boy that was good for a laugh. Do you think Ayn Rand would have been a fan of Elijah Wood's acting? HoolaHoopMan

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year olds life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

-John Rogers

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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]'Great philosopher and novelist Ayn Rand', oh boy that was good for a laugh. Do you think Ayn Rand would have been a fan of Elijah Wood's acting? Slashless

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year olds life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

-John Rogers

Ha, Lai won't like that.
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Is there only one way to look at an issue objectively, or are there multiple ways?

GOGOGOGURT

Step 1. Take subjective viewpoint

Step 2. Call it objectivism

Step 3. ???

Step 4. Profit

Also, when's the book coming out?

[spoiler] I'm running low on tp and I'm predicting that your book will be more cost-effective [/spoiler]

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Do parents have the right to abuse their children?PannicAtack
Any person has a right to do whatever he will with his property. An infant is incapable of conceptualizing ego, which means it does not exist as a sentient rational individual. It is incapable of conceptualizing life and freedom, which means that it is the property of whoever produced it (the parents). As a child grows intellectually and develops into a rational individual it becomes possible to abuse them, because only a sentient individual is capable of recognizing and, therefore, experiencing abuse. No one has a right to abuse anyone who is capable of being abused - so the answer is no.
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how can ayn rand support mental servitude in the form of idea rights or intellectual property, something she was an ardent supporter of? and if it is an objective contradiction how can you hold her up on a pillar of virtue as the spokesperson of objectivism? thought is not finite, it is infinitely reproducible, how can one hold title over it? how can you objectively rationalize indenturing current and future generations by artificially limiting their intellectual breath?
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Do parents have the right to abuse their children?Laihendi
Any person has a right to do whatever he will with his property. An infant is incapable of conceptualizing ego, which means it does not exist as a sentient rational individual. It is incapable of conceptualizing life and freedom, which means that it is the property of whoever produced it (the parents). As a child grows intellectually and develops into a rational individual it becomes possible to abuse them, because only a sentient individual is capable of recognizing and, therefore, experiencing abuse. No one has a right to abuse anyone who is capable of being abused - so the answer is no.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Never stop talking.

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#27 MakeMeaSammitch
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have you played bioshock?

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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

are you autistic?

Laihendi
Autism (in the sense of it being a disorder) does not exist. It is a label applied to individuals who refuse to conform to a society built on irrational traditions. The medical and psychological establishment of the status quo upholds the status quo by labeling anyone who does not conform to the status quo as being mentally impaired.

Hold on, so you're saying that autism doesn't exist but is actually just people who don't want to function normally and sometimes as an independent human being? There are people with autism who can't even speak, they don't chose to do so because it's too mainstream, they are literally incapable of coherent speech.
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Why did Ayn Rand see homosexuals and the handicapped as sub human degenerates?
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[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

Is there only one way to look at an issue objectively, or are there multiple ways?

Laihendi

The conclusion reached by a rational thought-process will vary according to the extent of the knowledge of the person carrying out that thought-process. The varying extent of knowledge held by different people will result in a variety of objective interpretations of issues, but many of these interpretations are based on faulty premises. Here is a relevant quote from Galt's speech.

To exist is to be something, as distinguished from the nothing of non-existence, it is to be an entity of a specific nature made of specific attributes. Centuries ago, the man who wasno matter what his errorsthe greatest of your philosophers, has stated the formula defining the concept of existence and the rule of all knowledge: A is A. A thing is itself. You have never grasped the meaning of his statement. I am here to complete it: Existence is Identity, Consciousness is Identification. Whatever you choose to consider, be it an object, an attribute or an action, the law of identity remains the same. A leaf cannot be a stone at the same time, it cannot be all red and all green at the same time, it cannot freeze and burn at the same time. A is A. Or, if you wish it stated in simpler language: You cannot have your cake and eat it, too.

Objective reality is absolute and non-contradictory. There may be different interpretations of an issue, but if two interpretations contradict each other, then one (or both) is wrong.

Above: a study in using complicated language to say nothing.

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#31 MakeMeaSammitch
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are you sociopathic? and have you ever seen anybody who could diagnose this?

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Why is dog fighting frowned upon ?
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Do parents have the right to abuse their children?Laihendi
Any person has a right to do whatever he will with his property. An infant is incapable of conceptualizing ego, which means it does not exist as a sentient rational individual. It is incapable of conceptualizing life and freedom, which means that it is the property of whoever produced it (the parents). As a child grows intellectually and develops into a rational individual it becomes possible to abuse them, because only a sentient individual is capable of recognizing and, therefore, experiencing abuse. No one has a right to abuse anyone who is capable of being abused - so the answer is no.

You are a dipsh1t with no sense of reality

and its hilarious

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#34 Laihendi
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Should it be legal to have sex with animals?MakeMeaSammitch

Yes, though anyone who actually wants to is probably deranged. Many animals are incapable of conceptualizing consent, which makes it irrelevant. For those capable of conceptualizing consent, then sex without their consent would be rape which is immoral.

The status quo being normal cognitive function? HoolaHoopMan
Yes. It is a fallacy to believe that something is superior because it is normal, that something is superior because it is common. J.R.R. Tolkien (as an example) was superior to the common masses because he was not like them. That said, his religious views were irrational and I am in no way endorsing them.

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#35 Ace6301
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If Objectivism is supposed to based on objective facts how come it doesn't work in reality?
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Do parents have the right to abuse their children?Laihendi
Any person has a right to do whatever he will with his property. An infant is incapable of conceptualizing ego, which means it does not exist as a sentient rational individual. It is incapable of conceptualizing life and freedom, which means that it is the property of whoever produced it (the parents). As a child grows intellectually and develops into a rational individual it becomes possible to abuse them, because only a sentient individual is capable of recognizing and, therefore, experiencing abuse. No one has a right to abuse anyone who is capable of being abused - so the answer is no.

So what's the cut-off age, exactly? When they start being able to talk? When they start going to school? What about the implications of the way that their treatment would affect physical and cognitive development that carry over into years when they develop an ego?
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okk, now you're trying too hard

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#38 theone86
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Were you dropped on the head as a child?

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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

are you autistic?

Laihendi
Autism (in the sense of it being a disorder) does not exist. It is a label applied to individuals who refuse to conform to a society built on irrational traditions. The medical and psychological establishment of the status quo upholds the status quo by labeling anyone who does not conform to the status quo as being mentally impaired.

Autism is diagnosed mainly as a child. Your conspiracy theory doesn't play out
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#40 Laihendi
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So yes, then.

Hate to break it to ya, but autism isn't about "conformity." It's about the way your brain works.

PannicAtack

Regardless of whether or not a person mindlessly conforms because he is biologically programmed to, he is still a conformist and the rational independent mind is still superior.
Also, when's the book coming out?

[spoiler] I'm running low on tp and I'm predicting that your book will be more cost-effective [/spoiler]

theone86

It is coming out in mid to late June, and it will be an e-book.

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If Objectivism is supposed to based on objective facts how come it doesn't work in reality?Ace6301
works for me, but i actually look at crap all day to form those decisions.
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#42 MakeMeaSammitch
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should charity be illegal? Or is it silly do if it is?

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"]If Objectivism is supposed to based on objective facts how come it doesn't work in reality?surrealnumber5
works for me, but i actually look at crap all day to form those decisions.

You may as well say I'm an objectivist too since I look at obvjective information to come to decisions. However I'm pretty obviously not an Objectivist as that mostly just means Ayn Rand Fanboy.
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#44 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]So yes, then.

Hate to break it to ya, but autism isn't about "conformity." It's about the way your brain works.

Laihendi

Regardless of whether or not a person mindlessly conforms because he is biologically programmed to, he is still a conformist and the rational independent mind is still superior.

That sentence has absolutely nothing to do with what autism is or how it is diagnosed.

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#45 NEWMAHAY
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People with autism have problems with OCD. You did laih, clearly autism isn't a label when there are signs of it.
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should charity be illegal? Or is it silly do if it is?

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oh god, why would charity be illegal, now if you mean taxes that is not charity char·i·ty [ chárrtee ] 1organization providing charity: an organization that collects money and other voluntary contributions of help for people in need 2provision of help: the voluntary provision of money, materials, or help to people in need 3material help: money, materials, or help voluntarily given to people in need the common theme is voluntary(-ily)
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#47 indzman
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do you have a man crush on Elijah Woods?

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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

should charity be illegal? Or is it silly do if it is?

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oh god, why would charity be illegal, now if you mean taxes that is not charity char·i·ty [ chárrtee ] 1organization providing charity: an organization that collects money and other voluntary contributions of help for people in need 2provision of help: the voluntary provision of money, materials, or help to people in need 3material help: money, materials, or help voluntarily given to people in need the common theme is voluntary(-ily)

Because altruistic actions are the root of all evil or some such and helping people is what causes all suffering.
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#49 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Ace6301"]If Objectivism is supposed to based on objective facts how come it doesn't work in reality?Ace6301
works for me, but i actually look at crap all day to form those decisions.

You may as well say I'm an objectivist too since I look at obvjective information to come to decisions. However I'm pretty obviously not an Objectivist as that mostly just means Ayn Rand Fanboy.

i'd love to be pointed to my randian fanboyism
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#50 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] works for me, but i actually look at crap all day to form those decisions.

You may as well say I'm an objectivist too since I look at obvjective information to come to decisions. However I'm pretty obviously not an Objectivist as that mostly just means Ayn Rand Fanboy.

i'd love to be pointed to my randian fanboyism

I never accused you of it so I'd supposed you would have to find someone else to do that.