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#151 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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[QUOTE="rocinante_"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Might be a little hypocritical coming from me, but Lai gets more sh!t than he deserves.

coolbeans90

ya, everyone likes to rag on him, but i guarantee those same people would miss him if he left ot--just like what happened with kraychik

kraychik fully deserved everything coming his way.

Statist is the new leftist.

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Might be a little hypocritical coming from me, but Lai gets more sh!t than he deserves.

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Simple supply/demand curves, bro.
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#153 Shottayouth13-
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Quite funny to see an 'Objectivist' talk about what's moral and what's immoral.
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#154 Laihendi
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Pretty much everyone here has commitments outside OT. So what? You set up this thread and you are dodging important questions, and ignoring information that runs counter to your arguments. Nothing less than I would have expected.jimkabrhel
Yes, I set up a Q&A thread as a favour to those interested in learning about Objectivism. I am doing this by my own volition and I am not under any obligation to do more than I want to, so to complain about me not doing even more than I already am is absurd. That is just the typical liberal entitlement complex. I would go on, but I have more questions that I am interested in answering.

There are severely autistic people who can't speak and spend all day hitting themselves. What about them?

 

What's wrong with altruism? As a minarchist, I see nothing wrong with helping others so long as it's voluntary.scoots9


You are missing my point about autism. Autism is not a well-defined disorder with explicit standards that must be met before there is diagnosis. It is a blanket term applied to people who cannot or do not socialize according to societal conventions. The process of a "professional" diagnosing someone with autism is a subjective judgement rather than an objective determination.

That is actually true of most mental "disorders". Mental disorder labels are always applied to people to who are different from the norm, because they are different from the norm. The question of whether their difference makes them superior to the norm is not even considered. A genius with an IQ of 180 is labeled as an autistic savant who can barely function. He is considered mentally disabled. It is never considered that perhaps it is the 100 IQ cretins who cannot function according to his superior standards.

Modern psychology is a populist pseudoscience, and nothing more. It consists of theories designed to persecute those who are different from the norm. It takes for granted that the average is the ideal, without ever considering the question of "why?" Of course there are people with legitimate mental impairments, but when a term such as "autism" is applied equally to the mentally handicapped and to the geniuses, it ceases to have any meaning.

As for your second question, an act of altruism is an act of self-immolation. It is self-sacrifice for the well-being of another. It is a symptom of an absence of self-esteem, and a lack of value for your own life. It is fine to help others, depending on the circumstances. If you help someone you admire to do something that furthers your values and interests, then that is fine. In such a case your helping that person is an act of self-interest rather than altruism. An example of altruism would be giving $5 to a bum just because he asked. You do not know anything about him other than the fact that his life has been a failure, but you sacrifice a portion of your finances to him without asking questions because you live on the assumption that those $5 are better spent furthering his interests, regardless of what they are, than your own. That is immoral.

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#155 rastotm
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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]Pretty much everyone here has commitments outside OT. So what? You set up this thread and you are dodging important questions, and ignoring information that runs counter to your arguments. Nothing less than I would have expected.Laihendi

Yes, I set up a Q&A thread as a favour to those interested in learning about Objectivism. I am doing this by my own volition and I am not under any obligation to do more than I want to, so to complain about me not doing even more than I already am is absurd. That is just the typical liberal entitlement complex. I would go on, but I have more questions that I am interested in answering.

There are severely autistic people who can't speak and spend all day hitting themselves. What about them?

 

What's wrong with altruism? As a minarchist, I see nothing wrong with helping others so long as it's voluntary.scoots9


You are missing my point about autism. Autism is not a well-defined disorder with explicit standards that must be met before there is diagnosis. It is a blanket term applied to people who cannot or do not socialize according to societal conventions. The process of a "professional" diagnosing someone with autism is a subjective judgement rather than an objective determination.

That is actually true of most mental "disorders". Mental disorder labels are always applied to people to who are different from the norm, because they are different from the norm. The question of whether their difference makes them superior to the norm is not even considered. A genius with an IQ of 180 is labeled as an autistic savant who can barely function. He is considered mentally disabled. It is never considered that perhaps it is the 100 IQ cretins who cannot function according to his superior standards.

Modern psychology is a populist pseudoscience, and nothing more. It consists of theories designed to persecute those who are different from the norm. It takes for granted that the average is the ideal, without ever considering the question of "why?" Of course there are people with legitimate mental impairments, but when a term such as "autism" is applied equally to the mentally handicapped and to the geniuses, it ceases to have any meaning.

Dismissing psychology as a populist pseudoscience and using IQ as a reliable indication of intelligence in the same discussion. You seem to be contradicting yourself to a certain degree.

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Can I beat my child to death since it is incapable of sentience and has no rights?Squeets

Theoretically you could if the child was still an infant. However there would be no rational reason to do so and obviously only a deranged parent would.

Also Ayn Rand said that the genocide of Native Americans by the English and Americans was justified because the Native Americans were primitive. Do you agree?ayaqoob1

Yes I do. I am glad that the Europeans colonized America and civilized my Native American ancestors, because their culture was objectively inferior to that of the colonists.

If Objectivism is objective then why do you need Rand to tell you how to think? Shouldn't objective reasoning be of free thought?DaBrainz
Objectivism does not teach that people should believe what Ayn Rand says because Ayn Rand says it. It teaches that what Ayn Rand says was right, as demonstrated by the application of the law of identity to our perception of the world that we live in, and that we should only believe what can be substantiated with logic and reason - as the theories of Ayn Rand can be and are.

I am having problems including more quotes in a single post, but I will try to edit them and their answers in.

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#157 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Another question: How can one be an objectivist and also utilize government services such as public roads and public education without paying into it?

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#158 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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 I do not seem douchey. You are being ignorant.

Laihendi

Actually, he has it pretty much right. If you could do some self-analysis, and look at your posting and debates, you might see it.

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#159 DroidPhysX
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Btw, the answer to the one about being an objectivist and utilizing government services: [spoiler] It's impossible. [/spoiler]
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#160 CptJSparrow
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Q&A? Just stfu and read your 1k page shatless rugged
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#161 Laihendi
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Dismissing psychology as a populist pseudoscience and using IQ as a reliable indication of intelligence in the same discussion. You seem to be contradicting yourself to a certain degree.rastotm
An extremely high IQ is indicative of an exceptional intelligence in some capacity. How accurate that indication is is debatable, but the measurement process of intelligence is not my point. My point is that the people of average intellect are arrogant and ignorant to believe that they are superior to a genius just because the genius is different from them.

Regulating commerce and taxing income are considered immoral whilst free speech and right to arms is sacred because they're in the constitution.

Bro, all of the above are authorized by the constitution. Can't have it both ways.

DroidPhysX

The constitution is loved for the triumph that it represents, and at the same time recognized as a flawed document. Objectivists do not treat the constitution as the supreme judge of what is moral, and neither do rational libertarians (a redundant distinction, as rational libertarians and Objectivists are effectively the same thing). The constitution did much to promote individual rights, and as such it is rightly respected as one of the most impressive legal achievements in human history. It is not perfect, and it is even mentioned explicitly in Atlas Shrugged that the constitution contains some inconsistencies and contradictions.

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#162 DroidPhysX
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The constitution did much to promote individual rights,Laihendi
haha
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#163 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]That only leaves two theories.

A. Troll

B. Autistic

Inclined to go with the ladder.

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If you guys think he's autistic, then why do you continue to make fun of him?

He's pretty high functioning since he says he's in college and he posts here and such so I really don't see the issue. I know an autistic guy and while sometimes it leads to awkward moments for the most part he's just another guy. Frankly I think Lai would be more insulted if we treated him specially because we think he's autistic.
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#164 worlock77
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] If you guys think he's autistic, then why do you continue to make fun of him?kingkong0124

Whether or not he's autistic doesn't excuse him for being a douche.

Well, autistic people are not the most socially adept, so it's understandable why he may seem douchey.

Laihendi's lever of doucheness goes way beyond anything I've every seen in any other autistic person.

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#165 worlock77
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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]Pretty much everyone here has commitments outside OT. So what? You set up this thread and you are dodging important questions, and ignoring information that runs counter to your arguments. Nothing less than I would have expected.Laihendi

Yes, I set up a Q&A thread as a favour to those interested in learning about Objectivism. I am doing this by my own volition and I am not under any obligation to do more than I want to, so to complain about me not doing even more than I already am is absurd. That is just the typical liberal entitlement complex. I would go on, but I have more questions that I am interested in answering.

lol

Son, you have no room talking about anyone having an entitlement complex.

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#166 deactivated-598fc45371265
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 This is a good opportunity to educate the public about sex,

 

Laihendi

lets move this thread into more fertile grounds please

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Also Ayn Rand said that the genocide of Native Americans by the English and Americans was justified because the Native Americans were primitive. Do you agree?ayaqoob1

Yes I do. I am glad that the Europeans colonized America and civilized my Native American ancestors, because their culture was objectively inferior to that of the colonists.

And this is why Objectivism is a terrible philosophy. How can a culture be objectively inferior?

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[QUOTE="ayaqoob1"]Also Ayn Rand said that the genocide of Native Americans by the English and Americans was justified because the Native Americans were primitive. Do you agree?ayaqoob1

Yes I do. I am glad that the Europeans colonized America and civilized my Native American ancestors, because their culture was objectively inferior to that of the colonists.

And this is why Objectivism is a terrible philosophy. How can a culture be objectively inferior?

how can any philosophy be objectively terrible?

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#169 Ace6301
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And this is why Objectivism is a terrible philosophy. How can a culture be objectively inferior?ayaqoob1
Because when people say "objectively" quite a lot of the time they're really just trying to add credence to their subjective beliefs without having to put effort into an argument.
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[QUOTE="ayaqoob1"]And this is why Objectivism is a terrible philosophy. How can a culture be objectively inferior?Ace6301
Because when people say "objectively" quite a lot of the time they're really just trying to add credence to their subjective beliefs without having to put effort into an argument.

Yep.

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#171 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Either we treat him like everyone else, and everyone gets made fun of, or we simply feel sorry for him and ignore him. Which would you rather?

Necrifer

Nobody should be ridiculed like Lai is.

I've really been laying off since the autism thing came out. It's one thing to troll a troll, it's another to thing to mess with an autistic person and since I can't be sure which I have decided to take the high road.
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#172 ayaqoob1
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You guys don't have to attack him personally to dismiss his ridiculous philosophy. Objectivism is Egoism, meaning you as a person can do whatever you want as long as it makes you happy. If you can kill 20 people and steal all their money and get away with it that's fine.
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#173 Laihendi
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You guys don't have to attack him personally to dismiss his ridiculous philosophy. Objectivism is Egoism, meaning you as a person can do whatever you want as long as it makes you happy. If you can kill 20 people and steal all their money and get away with it that's fine.ayaqoob1
That is the most ignorant post I have read today. Objectivism does not in any way advocate murder. Murder is a violation of the victim's right to live.
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#174 ayaqoob1
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[QUOTE="ayaqoob1"]You guys don't have to attack him personally to dismiss his ridiculous philosophy. Objectivism is Egoism, meaning you as a person can do whatever you want as long as it makes you happy. If you can kill 20 people and steal all their money and get away with it that's fine.Laihendi
That is the most ignorant post I have read today. Objectivism does not in any way advocate murder. Murder is a violation of the victim's right to live.

Yet you're ok with Native American genocide? Also why is property a right according to objectivism? Property is excludeable and violates other people's rights to that same property?
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[QUOTE="Squeets"]Can I beat my child to death since it is incapable of sentience and has no rights?Laihendi


Theoretically you could if the child was still an infant. However there would be no rational reason to do so and obviously only a deranged parent would.

Should we get rid of Child Protective Services and laws that punish people for child abuse?

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#176 megam
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[QUOTE="ayaqoob1"]You guys don't have to attack him personally to dismiss his ridiculous philosophy. Objectivism is Egoism, meaning you as a person can do whatever you want as long as it makes you happy. If you can kill 20 people and steal all their money and get away with it that's fine.Laihendi
That is the most ignorant post I have read today. Objectivism does not in any way advocate murder. Murder is a violation of the victim's right to live.

What if he only murdered people who were unable to conceptualize those rights?
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#177 Laihendi
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="ayaqoob1"]You guys don't have to attack him personally to dismiss his ridiculous philosophy. Objectivism is Egoism, meaning you as a person can do whatever you want as long as it makes you happy. If you can kill 20 people and steal all their money and get away with it that's fine.ayaqoob1
That is the most ignorant post I have read today. Objectivism does not in any way advocate murder. Murder is a violation of the victim's right to live.

Yet you're ok with Native American genocide? Also why is property a right according to objectivism? Property is excludeable and violates other people's rights to that same property?

There was no genocide against the native Americans. Native Americans were relocated to reservations because they were trespassing on private property. Any native Americans killed were killed in self defense because they were raiding American towns. Many native American tribes joined the British in the War of 1812, so they were lucky that they were given reservations to live on after that.
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#178 chessmaster1989
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I think Laihendi is trying to outdo himself with that last post.
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#179 mattbbpl
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Whether or not he's autistic doesn't excuse him for being a douche.

worlock77

Well, autistic people are not the most socially adept, so it's understandable why he may seem douchey.

Laihendi's lever of doucheness goes way beyond anything I've every seen in any other autistic person.

This is where it gets difficult to separate for me. Having a lot of experience with people that I care who are under similar conditions, I tend to want to dismiss a lot of transgressions.

But when someone advocates viewpoints such as children are property with no rights and the like, I find it difficult to reinforce those viewpoints by letting them remain unopposed.
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#180 m0zart
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There was no genocide against the native Americans. Native Americans were relocated to reservations because they were trespassing on private property. Any native Americans killed were killed in self defense because they were raiding American towns. Many native American tribes joined the British in the War of 1812, so they were lucky that they were given reservations to live on after that.Laihendi

SMOKIN!!!

I've never laughed so hard.

EDIT: Please never change, and never leave.

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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]Well, autistic people are not the most socially adept, so it's understandable why he may seem douchey. Laihendi
I do not seem douchey. You are being ignorant.

I still respect you.

Dude you're hilarious. I'm gonna read all your posts from now on, this is comedy gold.

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]Well, autistic people are not the most socially adept, so it's understandable why he may seem douchey. cain006

I do not seem douchey. You are being ignorant.

I still respect you.

Dude you're hilarious. I'm gonna read all your posts from now on, this is comedy gold.

He is either a god tier troll or a sociopathic, autistic, egotistical, self absorbed douche bag. Either way he makes things interesting.

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#183 Squeets
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[QUOTE="ayaqoob1"]You guys don't have to attack him personally to dismiss his ridiculous philosophy. Objectivism is Egoism, meaning you as a person can do whatever you want as long as it makes you happy. If you can kill 20 people and steal all their money and get away with it that's fine.Laihendi
That is the most ignorant post I have read today. Objectivism does not in any way advocate murder. Murder is a violation of the victim's right to live.

Unless they're retarded, young, senile, any other mental capacity limitation, etc as you have stated previously... (Unless autistic of course, as autism was just created by the man to hold the enlightened few among us down and has no bearing on cognitive function).

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#184 MakeMeaSammitch
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Is giving to charity a good thing according rand?

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#185 MakeMeaSammitch
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I suspect lai is actually andrew ryan.

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#186 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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There is no way Laihendi believes any of the garbage he posted earlier and I've come to the conclusion he's definitely just a troll persona meant to entertain OT. I can't fathom any sane, functional human being sharing his views.

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#187 Nibroc420
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There is no way Laihendi believes any of the garbage he posted earlier and I've come to the conclusion he's definitely just a troll persona meant to entertain OT. I can't fathom any sane, functional human being sharing his views.

Aljosa23
This is the kind of thing you usually say when you disagree with someone's opinion, without any logical reason to disagree. You cannot argue Lai's points, so you call him a troll and insult his person. Thanks for contributing.
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#188 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

There is no way Laihendi believes any of the garbage he posted earlier and I've come to the conclusion he's definitely just a troll persona meant to entertain OT. I can't fathom any sane, functional human being sharing his views.

Nibroc420

This is the kind of thing you usually say when you disagree with someone's opinion, without any logical reason to disagree. You cannot argue Lai's points, so you call him a troll and insult his person. Thanks for contributing.

LOL at you. You're the biggest troll here and everything the opposite of what you say is usually the correct thing so, thanks for trying!

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#189 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

There is no way Laihendi believes any of the garbage he posted earlier and I've come to the conclusion he's definitely just a troll persona meant to entertain OT. I can't fathom any sane, functional human being sharing his views.

Aljosa23

This is the kind of thing you usually say when you disagree with someone's opinion, without any logical reason to disagree. You cannot argue Lai's points, so you call him a troll and insult his person. Thanks for contributing.

LOL at you. You're the biggest troll here and everything the opposite of what you say is usually the correct thing so, thanks for trying!

Once again, you disagree and start throwing the ad-hominems It used to be funny...
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] This is the kind of thing you usually say when you disagree with someone's opinion, without any logical reason to disagree. You cannot argue Lai's points, so you call him a troll and insult his person. Thanks for contributing.Nibroc420

LOL at you. You're the biggest troll here and everything the opposite of what you say is usually the correct thing so, thanks for trying!

Once again, you disagree and start throwing the ad-hominems It used to be funny...

That's how I feel about your trolling but you've gotten lazy recently.

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#191 The-Apostle
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Whether or not he's autistic doesn't excuse him for being a douche.

worlock77

Well, autistic people are not the most socially adept, so it's understandable why he may seem douchey.

Laihendi's lever of doucheness goes way beyond anything I've every seen in any other autistic person.

Got that right. Calling him autistic is an insult to people who have said disability. >_>
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#192 byof_america
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Can objectivists believe in a god and follow a religion? If so, would they commit suicide if they believed their is an after life that is WAAAAAYYY better than this one?

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#193 Ace6301
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There is no way Laihendi believes any of the garbage he posted earlier and I've come to the conclusion he's definitely just a troll persona meant to entertain OT. I can't fathom any sane, functional human being sharing his views.

Aljosa23
Key point being sane. Everyone said the same thing about Krachik. Turns out he isn't a troll. Just nuts.
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#194 MakeMeaSammitch
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There is no way Laihendi believes any of the garbage he posted earlier and I've come to the conclusion he's definitely just a troll persona meant to entertain OT. I can't fathom any sane, functional human being sharing his views.

Aljosa23

ayn rand.

I just realized andrew ryan's name starts with an a and an r too.

Probably not a coincidence.

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#195 Ace6301
Member since 2005 • 21389 Posts

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

There is no way Laihendi believes any of the garbage he posted earlier and I've come to the conclusion he's definitely just a troll persona meant to entertain OT. I can't fathom any sane, functional human being sharing his views.

MakeMeaSammitch

ayn rand.

I just realized andrew ryan's name starts with an a and an r too.

Probably not a coincidence.

He's Russian as well just like Ayn Rand.
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#196 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]There was no genocide against the native Americans. Native Americans were relocated to reservations because they were trespassing on private property. Any native Americans killed were killed in self defense because they were raiding American towns. Many native American tribes joined the British in the War of 1812, so they were lucky that they were given reservations to live on after that.m0zart

SMOKIN!!!

I've never laughed so hard.

EDIT: Please never change, and never leave.

Every once in a while, I am reminded that Lai is, beyond the shadow of a doubt, a troll. This is one of those times.

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#197 worlock77
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[QUOTE="ayaqoob1"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] That is the most ignorant post I have read today. Objectivism does not in any way advocate murder. Murder is a violation of the victim's right to live.Laihendi
Yet you're ok with Native American genocide? Also why is property a right according to objectivism? Property is excludeable and violates other people's rights to that same property?

There was no genocide against the native Americans. Native Americans were relocated to reservations because they were trespassing on private property. Any native Americans killed were killed in self defense because they were raiding American towns. Many native American tribes joined the British in the War of 1812, so they were lucky that they were given reservations to live on after that.

Sorry folks, but this level of arrogant, ignorant bullshit can't be pinned on autism.

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#198 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] No the point was that ideology is the root of conflict, not that there would always be conflicts. That was why there was that whole speech about "-ism's" at the end.

how is that any different from what i said, everyone will always have their own ideology....... thus trivial conflict

I don't see any reason to make that assumption. Ideology has only existed for a blimp of human history.

everyone forms their own ideology, i guess this is a difference in perspectives. i dont believe an ideology needs to be spawned from others such as organized religion or education, but that it is the product of all inputs through the filter of the individual. i get the schism though, i just respectfully disagree.
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#199 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="ayaqoob1"] Yet you're ok with Native American genocide? Also why is property a right according to objectivism? Property is excludeable and violates other people's rights to that same property?worlock77

There was no genocide against the native Americans. Native Americans were relocated to reservations because they were trespassing on private property. Any native Americans killed were killed in self defense because they were raiding American towns. Many native American tribes joined the British in the War of 1812, so they were lucky that they were given reservations to live on after that.

Sorry folks, but this level of arrogant, ignorant bullshit can't be pinned on autism.

no just troll, the natives were raped and murdered only close comparison is to the Australian programs for colonizing. as a whole not even the duch in south africa were that bad.
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#200 NEWMAHAY
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="ayaqoob1"] Yet you're ok with Native American genocide? Also why is property a right according to objectivism? Property is excludeable and violates other people's rights to that same property?worlock77

There was no genocide against the native Americans. Native Americans were relocated to reservations because they were trespassing on private property. Any native Americans killed were killed in self defense because they were raiding American towns. Many native American tribes joined the British in the War of 1812, so they were lucky that they were given reservations to live on after that.

Sorry folks, but this level of arrogant, ignorant bullshit can't be pinned on autism.

Why are people still feeding laih? He is the most biased person on these forums. He is only capable of seeing things from his perspective and doesn't have the mental capacity to view it from others.