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#101 worlock77
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]how can ayn rand support mental servitude in the form of idea rights or intellectual property, something she was an ardent supporter of? and if it is an objective contradiction how can you hold her up on a pillar of virtue as the spokesperson of objectivism? thought is not finite, it is infinitely reproducible, how can one hold title over it? how can you objectively rationalize indenturing current and future generations by artificially limiting their intellectual breath? Laihendi
Copyright laws are immoral, and that is the only serious issue that Ayn Rand was wrong about.

Cool. So when your book comes out I could copy it word-for-word and sell it as my own?

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#102 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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I get the feeling that it feels pretty likely Lai's face will get plastered in a picture dictionary, next to the definition of the word: Nutcase. Toph_Girl250

If it's true that he's on the autism spectrum, that it might not be something that can be helped or fixed. Obsession and a lack of ability to understand subtlety, social interaction and emotions going with the territory.

It's hard to feel bad when Lai brings all of it on by being so belligerent.

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#103 Chemistian
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Laihendi's Objectivism Q&A - A Summary To This Point:

- A person is only fully developed when they find it rational to only factor self-interest.

- Moral sex requires ownership of one person over another

- Lesbian sex is irrational because neither party is capable of physical domination

- Handicapped = Degenerate. This one requires a response:

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/handicap

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/degenerate

One can note that in addition to the definitions being different, the synonyms and antonyms are also different.

- Copyright laws are immoral and a restriction on a free society.

- Autism doesn't exist.

- Any person can do whatever they wish with their personal property.

- Sex with animals is to be considered legal, but nonetheless shunned.

- Tolkien was superior to the masses because he was unique.

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#104 DarthSatan
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Objectivism: the total douchebag's philosophy on life that makes them think they are the certer of the universe and only they matter. This isn't so much a viewpoint on life as an excuse to act like a self-centered ass. 

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#105 Chemistian
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Objectivism: the total douchebag's philosophy on life that makes them think they are the certer of the universe and only they matter. This isn't so much a viewpoint on life as an excuse to act like a self-centered ass. 

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I believe you have captured nearly all of it. I think the word ignorance needs added to complete the definition and fully encapsulate it.
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#106 DarthSatan
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[QUOTE="DarthSatan"]

Objectivism: the total douchebag's philosophy on life that makes them think they are the certer of the universe and only they matter. This isn't so much a viewpoint on life as an excuse to act like a self-centered ass. 

Chemistian

I believe you have captured nearly all of it. I think the word ignorance needs added to complete the definition and fully encapsulate it.

Agreed.

 

 

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#107 Squeets
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Do parents have the right to abuse their children?Laihendi
Any person has a right to do whatever he will with his property. An infant is incapable of conceptualizing ego, which means it does not exist as a sentient rational individual. It is incapable of conceptualizing life and freedom, which means that it is the property of whoever produced it (the parents). As a child grows intellectually and develops into a rational individual it becomes possible to abuse them, because only a sentient individual is capable of recognizing and, therefore, experiencing abuse. No one has a right to abuse anyone who is capable of being abused - so the answer is no.

Can I beat my child to death since it is incapable of sentience and has no rights?

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] not really, the point was that their would always be trivial conflicts, it does not matter the society, also that the wii is great, at least in japan *puffles*

No the point was that ideology is the root of conflict, not that there would always be conflicts. That was why there was that whole speech about "-ism's" at the end.

how is that any different from what i said, everyone will always have their own ideology....... thus trivial conflict

I don't see any reason to make that assumption. Ideology has only existed for a blimp of human history.
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#109 ayaqoob1
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How would you reply to this clear refutation of Objectivist ethics? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1YXpBTUQg8
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#110 ayaqoob1
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Also Ayn Rand said that the genocide of Native Americans by the English and Americans was justified because the Native Americans were primitive. Do you agree?
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And TC wonders why he gets picked on. >_>
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#112 DaBrainz
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If Objectivism is objective then why do you need Rand to tell you how to think? Shouldn't objective reasoning be of free thought?
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#113 DroidPhysX
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Found Laihendi's relative on youtube.

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#114 kingkong0124
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lol

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#115 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Randism and by extension, modern American Libertarianism is a joke ideology so I'm not sure why Laihendi is being a pretentious and narcissistic twit by making this thread for any other reason than OT to laugh at him.

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#116 DroidPhysX
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Randism and by extension, Libertarianism is a joke ideology so I'm not sure why Laihendi is being a pretentious and narcissistic twit by making this thread for any other reason than OT to laugh at him.

Aljosa23

That only leaves two theories.

A. Troll

B. Autistic

Inclined to go with the ladder.

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#118 Laihendi
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who is objectively better, me or this kid? kingkong0124

You seem to be rational with more consistency. Droid is critical of Obama, and yet he pals around with Obama supporters and attacks Obama's enemies. He is irrational.

To an objectivist, if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to here it, does it make a sound?byof_america

Yes, but it does not really matter whether or not it does from a practical perspective.

Question:

If (american) libertarians love the constitution, then why do they also hate the constitution? DroidPhysX


I do not understand the question. Please explain how libertarians both love and hate the constitution and I will attempt to answer.

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Regulating commerce and taxing income are considered immoral whilst free speech and right to arms is sacred because they're in the constitution.

Bro, all of the above are authorized by the constitution. Can't have it both ways.

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Another question: How can one be an objectivist and also utilize government services such as public roads and public education without paying into it?DroidPhysX
The government has established a monopoly on education, roads, and a variety of other things. The government has made it almost impossible to not be dependent on its services to some degree, so it is simply unrealistic for anyone to live among others and not utilize government social programs at all. Everyone pays taxes though, even children due to the sales tax. Though a child may not pay much in taxes due to a lack of income, his parents do (unless they are very poor) and it is safe for him to assume that his parents are okay with him utilizing the services they paid for (unless his parents are just bad or something). To be an Objectivist you must recognize that the society we live in today is deeply flawed and the result of an absence of a rational morality among the masses. That does not mean that you must refuse to live under any circumstances other than the ideal, because then an Objectivist's only option would be suicide.
Then how do people who have what you deem as "irrational" values live happy lives?

inb4 no true scotsman 

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They do not. If their values are irrational then their values contradict the necessities of life as man. They can only live to the extent that they contradict their values, which means that they can only live to the extent that they are miserable. That is why democrats report themselves as being depressed far more frequently than republicans or libertarians, because republican and (especially) libertarian values are in line with the rational values promoted by Objectivism.
Well, autistic people are not the most socially adept, so it's understandable why he may seem douchey. kingkong0124
I do not seem douchey. You are being ignorant.

I still respect you.

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#121 Jebus213
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are you autistic?

MakeMeaSammitch

 

Thread won by first post.

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#122 Laihendi
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This is becoming rather sad. How can you run a question and answer thread when you aren't answering have the questions, and the answers that you provide don't make much sense.

I see this thread going on for 20 pages, and then getting locked when Lai ragequits again.

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Why do you complain so much? Every time I undertake some major responsibility you make up stuff to complain about, as if you just want to complain for the sake of complaining. I am answering as many questions as I can. One person alone cannot provide thoughtful and intelligent answers to every question asked when 20 people are asking questions. You can either have a simplistic one sentence answer to each question, or detailed and elaborate answers to some of the questions. You cannot have both - some people (such as myself) have time commitments outside of gamespot.
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#123 kingkong0124
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DroidPhysX
who is objectively better, me or this kid?
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#124 byof_america
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To an objectivist, if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to here it, does it make a sound?

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#125 kingkong0124
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>DroidPhysX
her voice is annoying
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#126 DroidPhysX
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Question: If (american) libertarians love the constitution, then why do they also hate the constitution?
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#127 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]>kingkong0124
her voice is annoying

mhmm
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]>kingkong0124
her voice is annoying

Indeed.
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#129 Serraph105
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'Great philosopher and novelist Ayn Rand', oh boy that was good for a laugh. Do you think Ayn Rand would have been a fan of Elijah Wood's acting? HoolaHoopMan
Objectively speaking Ayn Rand most likely would have been a Belieber
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#130 Laihendi
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Are feelings a good thing? Do they help human beings progress and evolve?Sandulf29
The emotional mechanism is an indicator of the well-being or injury of a mans consciousness. The two basic emotions are joy and suffering, and which one of those a man experiences is determined by his experiences in relation to his values. Experiences that promote a man's values will bring joy, and experiences that contradict them will bring suffering. Emotions (feelings) have the potential to be good or bad. If you feel joy from irrational values, then you will feel joy from destruction. Then you must choose between death and suffering, because a happy life is not an option. However, emotions attuned to rational values that promote life will function as a reward mechanism for rational behaviour.
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Another question: How can one be an objectivist and also utilize government services such as public roads and public education without paying into it?
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#132 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

This is becoming rather sad. How can you run a question and answer thread when you aren't answering have the questions, and the answers that you provide don't make much sense.

I see this thread going on for 20 pages, and then getting locked when Lai ragequits again.

Laihendi

Why do you complain so much? Every time I undertake some major responsibility you make up stuff to complain about, as if you just want to complain for the sake of complaining. I am answering as many questions as I can. One person alone cannot provide thoughtful and intelligent answers to every question asked when 20 people are asking questions. You can either have a simplistic one sentence answer to each question, or detailed and elaborate answers to some of the questions. You cannot have both - some people (such as myself) have time commitments outside of gamespot.

Pretty much everyone here has commitments outside OT. So what? You set up this thread and you are dodging important questions, and ignoring information that runs counter to your arguments. Nothing less than I would have expected.

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#133 DroidPhysX
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lol

 

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[QUOTE="Sandulf29"]Are feelings a good thing? Do they help human beings progress and evolve?Laihendi
The emotional mechanism is an indicator of the well-being or injury of a mans consciousness. The two basic emotions are joy and suffering, and which one of those a man experiences is determined by his experiences in relation to his values. Experiences that promote a man's values will bring joy, and experiences that contradict them will bring suffering. Emotions (feelings) have the potential to be good or bad. If you feel joy from irrational values, then you will feel joy from destruction. Then you must choose between death and suffering, because a happy life is not an option. However, emotions attuned to rational values that promote life will function as a reward mechanism for rational behaviour.

Then how do people who have what you deem as "irrational" values live happy lives?

inb4 no true scotsman 

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#135 kingkong0124
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That only leaves two theories.

A. Troll

B. Autistic

Inclined to go with the ladder.

DroidPhysX
If you guys think he's autistic, then why do you continue to make fun of him?
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#136 Necrifer
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If you guys think he's autistic, then why do you continue to make fun of him?

kingkong0124

Because OT is full of sick f*cks.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]>kingkong0124
her voice is annoying

My god I want to kill everything.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]That only leaves two theories.

A. Troll

B. Autistic

Inclined to go with the ladder.

kingkong0124

If you guys think he's autistic, then why do you continue to make fun of him?

Whether or not he's autistic doesn't excuse him for being a douche.

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#139 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]That only leaves two theories.

A. Troll

B. Autistic

Inclined to go with the ladder.

kingkong0124

If you guys think he's autistic, then why do you continue to make fun of him?

I'm an equal opportunity asshole.

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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]That only leaves two theories.

A. Troll

B. Autistic

Inclined to go with the ladder.

Aljosa23

If you guys think he's autistic, then why do you continue to make fun of him?

Whether or not he's autistic doesn't excuse him for being a douche.

Well, autistic people are not the most socially adept, so it's understandable why he may seem douchey.
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]That only leaves two theories.

A. Troll

B. Autistic

Inclined to go with the ladder.

kingkong0124

If you guys think he's autistic, then why do you continue to make fun of him?

Either we treat him like everyone else, and everyone gets made fun of, or we simply feel sorry for him and ignore him. Which would you rather?

If he's on the autism spectrum, he's highly functioning. Obviously intelligent and well spoken, and is in school. 

I'd like to think I'm trying to debate and get him to see other points of view, with the occaisional jibe. Makes me sound like less of an asshat.

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#142 lostrib
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]That only leaves two theories.

A. Troll

B. Autistic

Inclined to go with the ladder.

kingkong0124

If you guys think he's autistic, then why do you continue to make fun of him?

Because he promotes child rape

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="ayaqoob1"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] That is the most ignorant post I have read today. Objectivism does not in any way advocate murder. Murder is a violation of the victim's right to live.

Yet you're ok with Native American genocide? Also why is property a right according to objectivism? Property is excludeable and violates other people's rights to that same property?

There was no genocide against the native Americans. Native Americans were relocated to reservations because they were trespassing on private property. Any native Americans killed were killed in self defense because they were raiding American towns. Many native American tribes joined the British in the War of 1812, so they were lucky that they were given reservations to live on after that.

LOL, private property is not a right. Sorry man, Ayn Rand lied to you. Why does one man have a right to exclude everyone else from a piece of the earth? Your conception of rights is arbitrary,culturally biased, and just plain wrong. Sorry. Also why weren't the Europeans trespassing? The Native Americans were there first. Why didn't the Native Americans have the right to relocate the Europeans?
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#144 Necrifer
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Either we treat him like everyone else, and everyone gets made fun of, or we simply feel sorry for him and ignore him. Which would you rather?

jimkabrhel

Nobody should be ridiculed like Lai is.

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I really, like, really really REALLY hope that the TC doesn't breed.
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#146 coolbeans90
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Might be a little hypocritical coming from me, but Lai gets more sh!t than he deserves.

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#147 -Sun_Tzu-
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Might be a little hypocritical coming from me, but Lai gets more sh!t than he deserves.

coolbeans90
Don't worry, empathy is irrational.
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#148 rocinante_
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Might be a little hypocritical coming from me, but Lai gets more sh!t than he deserves.

coolbeans90

ya, everyone likes to rag on him, but i guarantee those same people would miss him if he left ot--just like what happened with kraychik

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Might be a little hypocritical coming from me, but Lai gets more sh!t than he deserves.

rocinante_

ya, everyone likes to rag on him, but i guarantee those same people would miss him if he left ot--just like what happened with kraychik

Yeah, probably. The saddest thing is that the last few posts have shown empathy for Lai, and I don't think it will register with him.

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#150 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Might be a little hypocritical coming from me, but Lai gets more sh!t than he deserves.

rocinante_

ya, everyone likes to rag on him, but i guarantee those same people would miss him if he left ot--just like what happened with kraychik

kraychik fully deserved everything coming his way.