Occupy wallstreet / global revolution thoughts? Just saw a bunch of arrests.

http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

Ive been watching it for a while, had heard that cops were getting violent in arrests but never saw any proof. Until a bit ago was watching the globalrev livestream and cops started yanking people from the crowd throwing them to the ground n such. Im glad to see so many people finally taking action.

People are saying that this is reaching a tipping point, what do you think? how far do you see the protests going? was half tempted travel and join in.

Honestly hoping it gets bigger.

edit - and I notice its finally getting some media coverage on the TV. Welcome to the party. Youre two weeks late.

I think a lot of that anger is misplaced. Wall street did get bailed out by taxpayer funds and spent those funds on elaborate bonuses and other stupid things. However, the banks have paid back almost all that money WITH interest. So as long as they aren't screwing over the taxpayer than they can do whatever with their money. Certainly their can be smarter regulation and rules but the people should be occupying washington, DC for that.

I think a lot of that anger is misplaced. Wall street did get bailed out by taxpayer funds and spent those funds on elaborate bonuses and other stupid things. However, the banks have paid back almost all that money WITH interest. So as long as they aren't screwing over the taxpayer than they can do whatever with their money. Certainly their can be smarter regulation and rules but the people should be occupying washington, DC for that.

sonicare

People shouldn't be blaming the banks. They should be blaming their politicians for doing nothing.

People shouldn't be blaming the banks. They should be blaming their politicians for doing nothing.

DroidPhysX

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People shouldn't be blaming the banks. They should be blaming their politicians for doing nothing.

LordXelNaga

You posted a poor analogy.

My buddy just sent me this. Interesting. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread759235/pg1Mephers

It just sounds like a few marines are going down there to support the protesters...that doesn't mean the military supports it or anything.

[QUOTE="Mephers"]My buddy just sent me this. Interesting. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread759235/pg1JML897

It just sounds like a few marines are going down there to support the protesters...that doesn't mean the military supports it or anything.

Well, I dont live in america but its great to see people actually doing something!
Its strange though, how this isnt covered by any media in my country(or any other major news sites) I would imagine that an "occupation" of wall street would get much more media coverage then it has! how is it being covered in america?

[QUOTE="LordXelNaga"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

People shouldn't be blaming the banks. They should be blaming their politicians for doing nothing.

DroidPhysX

You posted a poor aanalogy.

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[QUOTE="LordXelNaga"] You heard it here first. Now let's release all the criminals who comitted acts against society from prison. We should have been blaming the politicians for not pre-empting their bad acts.LordXelNaga

You posted a poor aanalogy.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="LordXelNaga"] You heard it here first. Now let's release all the criminals who comitted acts against society from prison. We should have been blaming the politicians for not pre-empting their bad acts.LordXelNaga

You posted a poor aanalogy.

Well, I dont live in america but its great to see people actually doing something!
Its strange though, how this isnt covered by any media in my country(or any other major news sites) I would imagine that an "occupation" of wall street would get much more media coverage then it has! how is it being covered in america?

Toadso

People shouldn't be blaming the banks. They should be blaming their politicians for doing nothing.

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

People shouldn't be blaming the banks. They should be blaming their politicians for doing nothing.

mattbbpl

The anger at the government has been present for a very long time, so it's a good thing, IMO, that some attention is being paid to the other side of the coin - Particularly when much of the government side anger has devolved into a "the government should do nothing" ideology.

Makes me wonder everytime theres a peaceful protext like this, the police bash people's heads in. Shouldn't there be special training or perhaps a special unit dedicated to these things?

There is some good there but I also think a lot of it is just people wanting a scapegoat for poor decision making.

The arrests are happening because the protesters are starting to block traffic and ignore the police. Of course this will be spun widely out of context by the protesters.

It's good to question their methods but it's bad to play the blame game. Though we live in a blame based society so I expect a lot of blame to get thrown around.

I'm really impressed with the people that have protested in not only NYC, but in many other US cities. It's a problem that needs to be dealt with.

whats the protests all about? i havent really heard anything about this?

whats the protests all about? i havent really heard anything about this?

Flubbbs

I'm indifferent on the cause of the protests because that is their business. My issue is the police abusing their power. There are so many videos floating around from there of cops getting on peoples case for no good reason. Then they try to arrest the people recording so that it is the police officer's word vs. the regular person which obviously will always go favorably for the officer.

whats the protests all about? i havent really heard anything about this?

Flubbbs

Tipping point? Yeah okay, TC, and way to ignore the context of why those cops did what they did. You aren't biased AT ALL.

It's good that Americans are finally figuring out that they can protest. Everyone else does it when they get screwed around and for the last few decades it seems like Americans forgot that they can protest too. I support them in a "Nice job, guys" kind of way but mostly for the fact they're willing to stand up for things they believe in and they're doing it without violence or breaking the law. That said some cops (Tony Bologna being one) have been a bit...aggressive with the protestors. That recent 700 arrests actually sounds a bit like entrapment too since videos show the cops basically netting the protestors onto the bridge then arresting them. Ace6301

The nets are barricades. It also makes it a crime against the officers if people try and push through them.

With that said, they didn't have a permit to be on the bridge, and the cops took action. Good on them.

Good, i wish I could go down and join, but I dont have any vacation days left at work.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]It's good that Americans are finally figuring out that they can protest. Everyone else does it when they get screwed around and for the last few decades it seems like Americans forgot that they can protest too. I support them in a "Nice job, guys" kind of way but mostly for the fact they're willing to stand up for things they believe in and they're doing it without violence or breaking the law. That said some cops (Tony Bologna being one) have been a bit...aggressive with the protestors. That recent 700 arrests actually sounds a bit like entrapment too since videos show the cops basically netting the protestors onto the bridge then arresting them. airshocker

The nets are barricades. It also makes it a crime against the officers if people try and push through them.

With that said, they didn't have a permit to be on the bridge, and the cops took action. Good on them.

Yeah, its been a really peaceful protest. Considering its been going on for two weeks, the number of arrests have been really low until that whole kettling incident.

I mean, yeah, there was all those unfortunate mace sprayings. There's always a bad egg though, both in the protestors (like the ones charging into banks and disrupting operations) and in the police (Like that one who kept mace spraying random peoplem including reporters).

As for the bridge. It looked like a complete breakdown of comminication. Police didn't warn the protestors they werent allowed on the bridge untill AFTER the police had blocked all the traffic and walked ahead of them on to the bridge. The police didn't actually stop their progress untill the greater majority of the protestors were on the bridge. The protestors stopped peacefully in complete compliance... so why not just stop them at the base of the bridge instead...? Also shortly after issueing the arrest warnings, the police blocked the rear of the bridge as well, not allowing the protestors to leave, then began aressting them all one by one for not leaving. There was a short span where the protestors were allowed to leave the bridge after getting the warnings but... there were at least 700 there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fockzr7rXys

So far each time an obstacle has appeared to the protesters, they've grown stronger (like the aformentioned random mace sprayings). I hope they continue to gain momentum. They're message has been becoming much clearer, but they still lack a lot of mainstream coverage.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]It's good that Americans are finally figuring out that they can protest. Everyone else does it when they get screwed around and for the last few decades it seems like Americans forgot that they can protest too. I support them in a "Nice job, guys" kind of way but mostly for the fact they're willing to stand up for things they believe in and they're doing it without violence or breaking the law. That said some cops (Tony Bologna being one) have been a bit...aggressive with the protestors. That recent 700 arrests actually sounds a bit like entrapment too since videos show the cops basically netting the protestors onto the bridge then arresting them. airshocker

The nets are barricades. It also makes it a crime against the officers if people try and push through them.

With that said, they didn't have a permit to be on the bridge, and the cops took action. Good on them.

actually i live right by there..your allowed to walk on the bridge in the pedestrian lane but the cops pushed them to the streets to entrap them...i went to protest today and alot of people who were arrested are out already and protesting again...and if you live in the U.S they are fighting for your rights too so show the protesters some respectcee1gee

I doubt that. And they're not fighting for my rights. They're fighting against people they think are to blame, when in actuality, it's the government that is to blame, specifically Dodd and Frank.

My question is why are people blaming Wall Street. The government is the biggest problem.KC_Hokie

It's kind of a double-sided coin, really. The politicians who have been corrupted by the lobbying interests, and the lobbying interests who have done the corrupting. One side directly feeds the other.

The anger at the government has been present for a very long time, so it's a good thing, IMO, that some attention is being paid to the other side of the coin - Particularly when much of the government side anger has devolved into a "the government should do nothing" ideology.

My question is why are people blaming Wall Street. The government is the biggest problem.KC_Hokie

They are rather intertwined at the moment.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]My question is why are people blaming Wall Street. The government is the biggest problem.coolbeans90

They are rather intertwined at the moment.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]My question is why are people blaming Wall Street. The government is the biggest problem.KC_Hokie

They are rather intertwined at the moment.

The two are largely intertwined. Part of the process of bringing to light the problem is by highlighting parties involved

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

They are rather intertwined at the moment.

coolbeans90

The two are largely intertwined. Part of the process of bringing to light the problem is by highlighting parties involved

Kind of hard to blame hundreds of corporations collectively for federal policy.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The government is ultimately in change. They set the rules, back certain industries, set interest rates, etc. KC_Hokie

The two are largely intertwined. Part of the process of bringing to light the problem is by highlighting parties involved

Kind of hard to blame hundreds of corporations collectively for federal policy.

Not for the entirety of Federal policy and it's pretty easy, actually. It's not as if blame falls on one specific group of people. It takes two to tango in this case.

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

The two are largely intertwined. Part of the process of bringing to light the problem is by highlighting parties involved

coolbeans90

Kind of hard to blame hundreds of corporations collectively for federal policy.

Not for the entirety of Federal policy and it's pretty easy, actually. It's not as if blame falls on one specific group of people. It takes two to tango in this case.

But that's not how it works. The federal government ultimately makes the rules.

Just because corporation lobby congressmen, like every other industry and special interest for that matter, doesn't mean they're intertwined.

[QUOTE="Toadso"]

Well, I dont live in america but its great to see people actually doing something!
Its strange though, how this isnt covered by any media in my country(or any other major news sites) I would imagine that an "occupation" of wall street would get much more media coverage then it has! how is it being covered in america?

ehhwhatever

perhaps positive re-enforcement.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]There is one federal government and hundreds of corporations. And, again, the federal government makes the rules.

Kind of hard to blame hundreds of corporations collectively for federal policy.

KC_Hokie

Not for the entirety of Federal policy and it's pretty easy, actually. It's not as if blame falls on one specific group of people. It takes two to tango in this case.

But that's not how it works. The federal government ultimately makes the rules.

Just because corporation lobby congressmen, like every other industry and special interest for that matter, doesn't mean they're intertwined.

There is a difference in between having strong influence and being able to unilaterally dictate policy.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Not for the entirety of Federal policy and it's pretty easy, actually. It's not as if blame falls on one specific group of people. It takes two to tango in this case.

coolbeans90

But that's not how it works. The federal government ultimately makes the rules.

Just because corporation lobby congressmen, like every other industry and special interest for that matter, doesn't mean they're intertwined.

There is a difference in between having strong influence and being able to unilaterally dictate policy.

If corporations were really that influential they wouldn't be paying on average the second highest corporate tax rates in the world (including loopholes) and the number of regulations wouldn't be at an all time high.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]If corporations got to write the rules there would be no corporate tax and no penalty for re-patrioting funds and an elimination of regulations, etc., etc..

But that's not how it works. The federal government ultimately makes the rules.

Just because corporation lobby congressmen, like every other industry and special interest for that matter, doesn't mean they're intertwined.

KC_Hokie

There is a difference in between having strong influence and being able to unilaterally dictate policy.

If corporations were really that influential they wouldn't be paying on average the second highest corporate tax rates in the world (including loopholes) and the number of regulations wouldn't be at an all time high.

I almost recall stating multiple occasions ITT that corporations didn't unilaterally dictate policy, implying that they weren't to blame everything - the health care law, and the individual mandate in particular, is beneficial to particular corporations at the expense of individuals.

Corporations are most profitable here relative to the rest of the world. The corporate income tax isn't the full extent of policy by any stretch of the imagination. Keep in mind that a great portion said taxation is used to subsidize various corporate entities on numerous occasions, including bailouts.

My question is why are people blaming Wall Street. The government is the biggest problem.KC_Hokie