Ohio 'kidnapper' could be executed

[QUOTE="Spellingiscool"][QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

People lilke to say that prison is more of a punishment than death, but its not just to serve as revenge and punishment.  As much as I would love to see scum suffer for what they have done and I am not opposed to it, death is all that really matters.  it gets them out of the system, we dont have to support them (with money and space) in prison, and so on.  cut out the problem.  

the_bi99man

But only because of the superflous bullshit.

No reason the death penalty should cost any more than the price of one 9mm bullet.

exactly my point.

Taken from another thread (He was talking about the kidnapper/rapist Ariel Castro)

The worst punishment, and the punishment I would give him, is to cut off his arms to his shoulders and his legs basically to his pelvis. Then he would be left a lone in a padded jail cell with a tiny hole to defecate in. Discounting the periods where he would be given (or force fed and checked on to make sure he wasn't trying to commit suicide) he would be completely alone 24/7 for the rest of his life.

 

Death is far too easy for these monsters. They deserve the worst life could ever offer them.Laihendi

That is sickening and no psychologically healthy person could wish that on anyone - regardless of his crimes. Many people have expressed similar sentiments, and this kind of revolting bloodlust is not exclusive to Ariel Castro. These same calls for grotesque torture and mutilation were made about Sandunsky last year and are made every time there is a big rape story in the mainstream media.

You people call yourselves noble and act as if you represent enlightened and progressive ideals. You do not. You are violent and deranged monsters just like the rapists you condemn. Anyone who would want to inflict torture on anyone for any reason is a violent and deranged monster. There is no rational and productive reason to torture/mutilate someone, and the only possible motive for doing that is to inflict suffering on someone else. Anyone who wants others to needlessly suffer is a violent and deranged monster.

You people are so loudly indignant when the MSM tells you to be. You ask each other how someone could possibly be so horrible that he would kidnap someone, imprison someone, rape someone. Then in the next sentence you describe how you want to savagely mutilate the criminal as if there is nothing wrong with that. Try reading the constitution, which outlaws cruel and unusual punishment, or better yet try studying the philosophy of ethics. This kind of stuff is why democracy is a terrible idea. 90% of humans are violent savages. That is an estimate.

Obviously this guy should be imprisoned for life as he is too dangerous to be allowed to live freely, but the things you people are wanting done to him are just sick.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

first of all, I always wondered this (and doubted that lethal injection is more than supporting them for life, but maybe), and second of all they deserve a bullet between the eyes.  That aint so expensive.  Or for a better way of doing it (without feeling like one person has to kill them) they could do the old fashion multi man shoot (blanks and reals).  

 

Either way, When it comes to scum like this I don't care how humanely they die.  Make it cheap and get them gone.

NaveedLife

Using guns will still be expensive. The judicial process for the death penalty is a lot longer. We should just lock him up and forget. I'd prefer if we didn't waste millions of dollars just so the people can have vengeance.

I honestly don't know how all of this works, but isnt there a process no matter if it is for the death penatly or a jail sentance?  THere should be no process if its obvious they did it.  the only process should be death.  laws and loopholes overrused.  once you do something this awful you have no more rights.  its different if its something that peopel cant prove.  Then of course the death penatly is not something I reccomend.  

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

first of all, I always wondered this (and doubted that lethal injection is more than supporting them for life, but maybe), and second of all they deserve a bullet between the eyes.  That aint so expensive.  Or for a better way of doing it (without feeling like one person has to kill them) they could do the old fashion multi man shoot (blanks and reals).  

 

Either way, When it comes to scum like this I don't care how humanely they die.  Make it cheap and get them gone.

NaveedLife

Using guns will still be expensive. The judicial process for the death penalty is a lot longer. We should just lock him up and forget. I'd prefer if we didn't waste millions of dollars just so the people can have vengeance.

I honestly don't know how all of this works, but isnt there a process no matter if it is for the death penatly or a jail sentance?  THere should be no process if its obvious they did it.  the only process should be death.  laws and loopholes overrused.  once you do something this awful you have no more rights.  its different if its something that peopel cant prove.  Then of course the death penatly is not something I reccomend.  

No process? What if it looked like you "obviously" committed a crime? What if the justice system decided to execute or jail you for something you didn't do without trial?  The justice system isn't prefect, but I think its better then letting pure emotions judge criminals.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

 

Using guns will still be expensive. The judicial process for the death penalty is a lot longer. We should just lock him up and forget. I'd prefer if we didn't waste millions of dollars just so the people can have vengeance.

JangoWuzHere

I honestly don't know how all of this works, but isnt there a process no matter if it is for the death penatly or a jail sentance?  THere should be no process if its obvious they did it.  the only process should be death.  laws and loopholes overrused.  once you do something this awful you have no more rights.  its different if its something that peopel cant prove.  Then of course the death penatly is not something I reccomend.  

No process? What if it looked like you "obviously" committed a crime? What if the justice system decided to execute or jail you for something you didn't do without trial?  The justice system isn't prefect, but I think its better then letting pure emotions judge criminals.

when i say obviously i mean it isnt up for debate.  there are plenty of cases like this.  if we are unsure than the death penalty should not be considered.  If we are sure / they flaunt it and admit it they should be killed right then and there.

Taken from another thread (He was talking about the kidnapper/rapist Ariel Castro)

The worst punishment, and the punishment I would give him, is to cut off his arms to his shoulders and his legs basically to his pelvis. Then he would be left a lone in a padded jail cell with a tiny hole to defecate in. Discounting the periods where he would be given (or force fed and checked on to make sure he wasn't trying to commit suicide) he would be completely alone 24/7 for the rest of his life.

 

Death is far too easy for these monsters. They deserve the worst life could ever offer them.Laihendi

That is sickening and no psychologically healthy person could wish that on anyone - regardless of his crimes. Many people have expressed similar sentiments, and this kind of revolting bloodlust is not exclusive to Ariel Castro. These same calls for grotesque torture and mutilation were made about Sandunsky last year and are made every time there is a big rape story in the mainstream media.

You people call yourselves noble and act as if you represent enlightened and progressive ideals. You do not. You are violent and deranged monsters just like the rapists you condemn. Anyone who would want to inflict torture on anyone for any reason is a violent and deranged monster. There is no rational and productive reason to torture/mutilate someone, and the only possible motive for doing that is to inflict suffering on someone else. Anyone who wants others to needlessly suffer is a violent and deranged monster.

You people are so loudly indignant when the MSM tells you to be. You ask each other how someone could possibly be so horrible that he would kidnap someone, imprison someone, rape someone. Then in the next sentence you describe how you want to savagely mutilate the criminal as if there is nothing wrong with that. Try reading the constitution, which outlaws cruel and unusual punishment, or better yet try studying the philosophy of ethics. This kind of stuff is why democracy is a terrible idea. 90% of humans are violent savages. That is an estimate.

Obviously this guy should be imprisoned for life as he is too dangerous to be allowed to live freely, but the things you people are wanting done to him are just sick.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

Taken from another thread (He was talking about the kidnapper/rapist Ariel Castro)

The worst punishment, and the punishment I would give him, is to cut off his arms to his shoulders and his legs basically to his pelvis. Then he would be left a lone in a padded jail cell with a tiny hole to defecate in. Discounting the periods where he would be given (or force fed and checked on to make sure he wasn't trying to commit suicide) he would be completely alone 24/7 for the rest of his life.

 

Death is far too easy for these monsters. They deserve the worst life could ever offer them.Ace6301

That is sickening and no psychologically healthy person could wish that on anyone - regardless of his crimes. Many people have expressed similar sentiments, and this kind of revolting bloodlust is not exclusive to Ariel Castro. These same calls for grotesque torture and mutilation were made about Sandunsky last year and are made every time there is a big rape story in the mainstream media.

You people call yourselves noble and act as if you represent enlightened and progressive ideals. You do not. You are violent and deranged monsters just like the rapists you condemn. Anyone who would want to inflict torture on anyone for any reason is a violent and deranged monster. There is no rational and productive reason to torture/mutilate someone, and the only possible motive for doing that is to inflict suffering on someone else. Anyone who wants others to needlessly suffer is a violent and deranged monster.

You people are so loudly indignant when the MSM tells you to be. You ask each other how someone could possibly be so horrible that he would kidnap someone, imprison someone, rape someone. Then in the next sentence you describe how you want to savagely mutilate the criminal as if there is nothing wrong with that. Try reading the constitution, which outlaws cruel and unusual punishment, or better yet try studying the philosophy of ethics. This kind of stuff is why democracy is a terrible idea. 90% of humans are violent savages. That is an estimate.

Obviously this guy should be imprisoned for life as he is too dangerous to be allowed to live freely, but the things you people are wanting done to him are just sick.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

first of all, I always wondered this (and doubted that lethal injection is more than supporting them for life, but maybe), and second of all they deserve a bullet between the eyes.  That aint so expensive.  Or for a better way of doing it (without feeling like one person has to kill them) they could do the old fashion multi man shoot (blanks and reals).  

 

Either way, When it comes to scum like this I don't care how humanely they die.  Make it cheap and get them gone.

NaveedLife

Using guns will still be expensive. The judicial process for the death penalty is a lot longer. We should just lock him up and forget. I'd prefer if we didn't waste millions of dollars just so the people can have vengeance.

I honestly don't know how all of this works, but isnt there a process no matter if it is for the death penatly or a jail sentance?  THere should be no process if its obvious they did it.  the only process should be death.  laws and loopholes overrused.  once you do something this awful you have no more rights.  its different if its something that peopel cant prove.  Then of course the death penatly is not something I reccomend.  

There will be mistakes, there will be cases where it seems obvious that they did it. I happened in the past, no reason to think it will never happen again. Even with advanced technology, DNA, etc., in the end judges and jury are people, they make mistakes, and someone will eventually be sentenced to death when they shouldn't. This is mostly why I'm against the death penalty.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

 

Using guns will still be expensive. The judicial process for the death penalty is a lot longer. We should just lock him up and forget. I'd prefer if we didn't waste millions of dollars just so the people can have vengeance.

nunovlopes

I honestly don't know how all of this works, but isnt there a process no matter if it is for the death penatly or a jail sentance?  THere should be no process if its obvious they did it.  the only process should be death.  laws and loopholes overrused.  once you do something this awful you have no more rights.  its different if its something that peopel cant prove.  Then of course the death penatly is not something I reccomend.  

There will be mistakes, there will be cases where it seems obvious that they did it. I happened in the past, no reason to think it will never happen again. Even with advanced technology, DNA, etc., in the end judges and jury are people, they make mistakes, and someone will eventually be sentenced to death when they shouldn't. This is mostly why I'm against the death penalty.

I mean concrete evidence. Hitler was obviously bad.  People who raped and hanged black people and glouted about it are obviousyl bad.  Any case where there is clear as day video and such of someone murdering in cold blood and all that, obviously bad.  That is what I mean.  That is 100%.  I don't know all the details about this case, so I cannot say if it is 100% or not, but I imagine so.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]

Taken from another thread (He was talking about the kidnapper/rapist Ariel Castro)

The worst punishment, and the punishment I would give him, is to cut off his arms to his shoulders and his legs basically to his pelvis. Then he would be left a lone in a padded jail cell with a tiny hole to defecate in. Discounting the periods where he would be given (or force fed and checked on to make sure he wasn't trying to commit suicide) he would be completely alone 24/7 for the rest of his life.

 

Death is far too easy for these monsters. They deserve the worst life could ever offer them.Laihendi

That is sickening and no psychologically healthy person could wish that on anyone - regardless of his crimes. Many people have expressed similar sentiments, and this kind of revolting bloodlust is not exclusive to Ariel Castro. These same calls for grotesque torture and mutilation were made about Sandunsky last year and are made every time there is a big rape story in the mainstream media.

You people call yourselves noble and act as if you represent enlightened and progressive ideals. You do not. You are violent and deranged monsters just like the rapists you condemn. Anyone who would want to inflict torture on anyone for any reason is a violent and deranged monster. There is no rational and productive reason to torture/mutilate someone, and the only possible motive for doing that is to inflict suffering on someone else. Anyone who wants others to needlessly suffer is a violent and deranged monster.

You people are so loudly indignant when the MSM tells you to be. You ask each other how someone could possibly be so horrible that he would kidnap someone, imprison someone, rape someone. Then in the next sentence you describe how you want to savagely mutilate the criminal as if there is nothing wrong with that. Try reading the constitution, which outlaws cruel and unusual punishment, or better yet try studying the philosophy of ethics. This kind of stuff is why democracy is a terrible idea. 90% of humans are violent savages. That is an estimate.

Obviously this guy should be imprisoned for life as he is too dangerous to be allowed to live freely, but the things you people are wanting done to him are just sick.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

I honestly don't know how all of this works, but isnt there a process no matter if it is for the death penatly or a jail sentance?  THere should be no process if its obvious they did it.  the only process should be death.  laws and loopholes overrused.  once you do something this awful you have no more rights.  its different if its something that peopel cant prove.  Then of course the death penatly is not something I reccomend.  

 

NaveedLife

There will be mistakes, there will be cases where it seems obvious that they did it. I happened in the past, no reason to think it will never happen again. Even with advanced technology, DNA, etc., in the end judges and jury are people, they make mistakes, and someone will eventually be sentenced to death when they shouldn't. This is mostly why I'm against the death penalty.

I mean concrete evidence. Hitler was obviously bad.  People who raped and hanged black people and glouted about it are obviousyl bad.  Any case where there is clear as day video and such of someone murdering in cold blood and all that, obviously bad.  That is what I mean.  That is 100%.  I don't know all the details about this case, so I cannot say if it is 100% or not, but I imagine so.

It's not black and white choices. some guilty people had enormous evidence stacked against them, but they were innocent in the end. Some suspects admit that they are guilty, but that doesn't mean that they actually did it. Even if it is painfully obvious that they did it, I would prefer that we go through the legal system. Because if one person gets killed without trial, then what's to stop future cases from having the same fate?

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

There will be mistakes, there will be cases where it seems obvious that they did it. I happened in the past, no reason to think it will never happen again. Even with advanced technology, DNA, etc., in the end judges and jury are people, they make mistakes, and someone will eventually be sentenced to death when they shouldn't. This is mostly why I'm against the death penalty.

JangoWuzHere

I mean concrete evidence. Hitler was obviously bad.  People who raped and hanged black people and glouted about it are obviousyl bad.  Any case where there is clear as day video and such of someone murdering in cold blood and all that, obviously bad.  That is what I mean.  That is 100%.  I don't know all the details about this case, so I cannot say if it is 100% or not, but I imagine so.

It's not black and white choices. some guilty people had enormous evidence stacked against them, but they were innocent in the end. Some suspects admit that they are guilty, but that doesn't mean that they actually did it. Even if it is painfully obvious that they did it, I would prefer that we go through the legal system. Because if one person gets killed without trial, then what's to stop future cases from having the same fate?

Again I agree if we don't know we shouldn't execute.  But too many times obvious criminals use loopholes.  And too many times a demented rapist gets therapy  and then gets released and does it again and kills the girl this time.  Those kind of people need to die.  No f***ng therapy is going to save their sick minds.

You cannot strip rights from someone, and I have never claimed that you can. He does not have rightsLaihendi

i mean... i'm a pretty liberal person, but i would wan't the guy dead. i would say life in prison... but with crimes like these there really is no point in prison. this is not a person that can be "rehabilitated" (not that our prison system could ever accomplish such a task) nor does he deserve the chance to even try rehabilitation. some things are just unforgivable. so why waste the money? MuD3

inb4 "it's cheaper to feed him, bathe him, clothe him, and shelter him for life, than it would be to kill him, and it doesn't matter that 99.9999999999999999% of the cost of putting a shitbag to death is in superflous administrative nonsense." 

[QUOTE="MuD3"]i mean... i'm a pretty liberal person, but i would wan't the guy dead. i would say life in prison... but with crimes like these there really is no point in prison. this is not a person that can be "rehabilitated" (not that our prison system could ever accomplish such a task) nor does he deserve the chance to even try rehabilitation. some things are just unforgivable. so why waste the money? the_bi99man

inb4 "it's cheaper to feed him, bathe him, clothe him, and shelter him for life, than it would be to kill him, and it doesn't matter that 99.9999999999999999% of the cost of putting a shitbag to death is in superflous administrative nonsense." 

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]You cannot strip rights from someone, and I have never claimed that you can. He does not have rightsAce6301

You cannot strip rights from someone, and I have never claimed that you can. A person either has rights or he does not.Laihendi

[QUOTE="MuD3"]i mean... i'm a pretty liberal person, but i would wan't the guy dead. i would say life in prison... but with crimes like these there really is no point in prison. this is not a person that can be "rehabilitated" (not that our prison system could ever accomplish such a task) nor does he deserve the chance to even try rehabilitation. some things are just unforgivable. so why waste the money? the_bi99man

inb4 "it's cheaper to feed him, bathe him, clothe him, and shelter him for life, than it would be to kill him, and it doesn't matter that 99.9999999999999999% of the cost of putting a shitbag to death is in superflous administrative nonsense." 

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]You cannot strip rights from someone, and I have never claimed that you can. He does not have rightsLaihendi

You cannot strip rights from someone, and I have never claimed that you can. A person either has rights or he does not.Laihendi

Also don't say "what if he's 100% guilty" either because there is no such thing. No case is that clear cut and when the risk is an innocent life you take whatever precautions you can while still having a credible justice system. Ace6301

Really? Not one case? Ever? There has never been anyone who is obviously, certainly, 100% guilty?

Jesus fvcking christ, the stupidity on these boards sometimes.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Also don't say "what if he's 100% guilty" either because there is no such thing. No case is that clear cut and when the risk is an innocent life you take whatever precautions you can while still having a credible justice system. the_bi99man

Really? Not one case? Ever? There has never been anyone who is obviously, certainly, 100% guilty?

Jesus fvcking christ, the stupidity on these boards sometimes.

Don't even bother man :P.  

[QUOTE="MuD3"]i mean... i'm a pretty liberal person, but i would wan't the guy dead. i would say life in prison... but with crimes like these there really is no point in prison. this is not a person that can be "rehabilitated" (not that our prison system could ever accomplish such a task) nor does he deserve the chance to even try rehabilitation. some things are just unforgivable. so why waste the money? the_bi99man

inb4 "it's cheaper to feed him, bathe him, clothe him, and shelter him for life, than it would be to kill him, and it doesn't matter that 99.9999999999999999% of the cost of putting a shitbag to death is in superflous administrative nonsense." 

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Also don't say "what if he's 100% guilty" either because there is no such thing. No case is that clear cut and when the risk is an innocent life you take whatever precautions you can while still having a credible justice system. the_bi99man

Really? Not one case? Ever? There has never been anyone who is obviously, certainly, 100% guilty?

Jesus fvcking christ, the stupidity on these boards sometimes.

Due process is "superfluous administrative nonsesne," gotcha.PannicAtack