http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/politics/3668/election_update:_oklahoma_bans_shari'ah_law
Amazing what paranoia does to people.
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Am I missing something? I can't see much wrong with a pre-emptive strike aginst religious law in a secular state.jimmyjammer69
Because its already written into LAW to begin with.. With our first amendment. This is blind paranoia.
[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Am I missing something? I can't see much wrong with a pre-emptive strike aginst religious law in a secular state.sSubZerOo
Because its already written into LAW to begin with.. With our first amendment. This is blind paranoia.
Ah ok. I just know that there's also a freedom of worship or some such, and I can imagine lines becoming blurred as in Britain, where independent Sharia courts have held legal sway for a couple of years now.How can you ban something that was never law in the first place?
The US constitution, by DEFAULT, blocks acts or systems of discrimination and supercedes all religious laws.
This is the most redundant waste of time ever.
By insisting that, if you don't, Terrorists and Muslims will join forces with Socialists to pass it by force, thereby declaring war aginst America and Western civilization. Also, gays.How can you ban something that was never law in the first place?
Netherscourge
[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]By insisting that, if you don't, Terrorists and Muslims will join forces with Socialists to pass it by force, thereby declaring war aginst America and Western civilization. Also, gays. You mean Hannity was lying to me?How can you ban something that was never law in the first place?
Theokhoth
[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Am I missing something? I can't see much wrong with a pre-emptive strike aginst religious law in a secular state.sSubZerOo
Because its already written into LAW to begin with.. With our first amendment. This is blind paranoia.
Freedom of religion, not freedom to use your religion as law.
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Am I missing something? I can't see much wrong with a pre-emptive strike aginst religious law in a secular state.Wasdie
Because its already written into LAW to begin with.. With our first amendment. This is blind paranoia.
Freedom of religion, not freedom to use your religion as law.
I believe that is covered under the establishment clause.I'm going to introduce a ballot proposition next November that will ban the sun from staying up more then 12 hours at a time, with the exception of daylight savings months.
We don't need no steenking sunlight when I'm watching True Blood.
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Am I missing something? I can't see much wrong with a pre-emptive strike aginst religious law in a secular state.Wasdie
Because its already written into LAW to begin with.. With our first amendment. This is blind paranoia.
Freedom of religion, not freedom to use your religion as law.
They are one of the same.. You can't have a country with religious laws, because that is a violation of the first amendment that descrimates against other religion.
I believe that is covered under the establishment clause. wstfld
Which technically makes Sharia Law illegal anyways. It was a pointless bill passed in Oklahoma.
However Sharia Law needs to be looked at carefully. Europe is starting to feel extreme political pressure from the Muslim communities. It's one thing to practice your religion, it's another to use it as a vessel for political gain. And yes, this applies to those extreme right wing christian nuts in the USA.
We've seen what pure Christan governments are like. They are bad... very very bad. We can also see what a state controlled by Sharia Law is like, it is also bad... very very bad.
I thought we would have learned by now we need a firm separation of church and state. This applies to all religions equally. This is all I am saying.
Is Communism literally banned in any states?
I should hope not, as Communism is a viable political philosophy with its own official party in the U.S. None of the states practise it outright, though (I say outright because our system has many elements of Communism long-since incorporated).[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]I should hope not, as Communism is a viable political philosophy with its own official party in the U.S. None of the states practise it outright, though (I say outright because our system has many elements of Communism long-since incorporated).Is Communism literally banned in any states?
Theokhoth
Not to mention that if a state banned Communism, nobody in that state could collect Social Security or Medicare benefits when they retire.
It would be funny though if a Tea Party freak tried to get it banned officially and then find out after the fact that they just lost all their their publicly funded benefits LOL
[QUOTE="wstfld"] I believe that is covered under the establishment clause. Wasdie
Which technically makes Sharia Law illegal anyways. It was a pointless bill passed in Oklahoma.
However Sharia Law needs to be looked at carefully. Europe is starting to feel extreme political pressure from the Muslim communities. It's one thing to practice your religion, it's another to use it as a vessel for political gain. And yes, this applies to those extreme right wing christian nuts in the USA.
We've seen what pure Christan governments are like. They are bad... very very bad. We can also see what a state controlled by Sharia Law is like, it is also bad... very very bad.
I thought we would have learned by now we need a firm separation of church and state. This applies to all religions equally. This is all I am saying.
Sharia in foreign countries are related to marriage and other personal issues, nothing outside that area.. and they're only applied on Muslims..so the state does not benefit from this ban+ American Muslims in Oklahoma might face problems because of this law..In addition, they should consider amending their constitution with a provision to prevent not only Sharia law, but any religious dogma in laws. Something that could... separate church and state or something.
In addition, they should consider amending their constitution with a provision to prevent not only Sharia law, but any religious dogma in laws. Something that could... separate church and state or something.
metroidfood
Not going to happen in a bible belt state..
No silly. I think they were going for separation of Mosque and State, due to the waves of Fundamentalist Muslims washing over Oklahoma's plains. Conservatives don't like separation of church and state, only separation of mosque/temple/synagogue/non-christian place of worship and state.In addition, they should consider amending their constitution with a provision to prevent not only Sharia law, but any religious dogma in laws. Something that could... separate church and state or something.
metroidfood
[QUOTE="metroidfood"]No silly. I think they were going for separation of Mosque and State, due to the waves of Fundamentalist Muslims washing over Oklahoma's plains. Conservatives don't like separation of church and state, only separation of mosque/temple/synagogue/non-christian place of worship and state. Doesn't this law act as some kind of precedent for that though? I mean, as long as freedom of worship stands, I'd think hands are becoming increasingly tied by specific interpretations of the constitution.In addition, they should consider amending their constitution with a provision to prevent not only Sharia law, but any religious dogma in laws. Something that could... separate church and state or something.
wstfld
[QUOTE="wstfld"][QUOTE="metroidfood"]No silly. I think they were going for separation of Mosque and State, due to the waves of Fundamentalist Muslims washing over Oklahoma's plains. Conservatives don't like separation of church and state, only separation of mosque/temple/synagogue/non-christian place of worship and state. Doesn't this law act as some kind of precedent for that though? I mean, as long as freedom of worship stands, I'd think hands are becoming increasingly tied by specific interpretations of the constitution.In addition, they should consider amending their constitution with a provision to prevent not only Sharia law, but any religious dogma in laws. Something that could... separate church and state or something.
jimmyjammer69
Not in the least seeing as I am willing to bet that many in that state define the United States as a Christian nation and not of a secular one.
what about in the northern us during the summer?I'm going to introduce a ballot proposition next November that will ban the sun from staying up more then 12 hours at a time, with the exception of daylight savings months.
We don't need no steenking sunlight when I'm watching True Blood.
Netherscourge
oklahomoins i suppose.Who remembers Oklahoma exists without someonementioning it? Or without browsing a U.S map first?
MagnumPI
Doesn't this law act as some kind of precedent for that though? I mean, as long as freedom of worship stands, I'd think hands are becoming increasingly tied by specific interpretations of the constitution.[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="wstfld"] No silly. I think they were going for separation of Mosque and State, due to the waves of Fundamentalist Muslims washing over Oklahoma's plains. Conservatives don't like separation of church and state, only separation of mosque/temple/synagogue/non-christian place of worship and state. sSubZerOo
Not in the least seeing as I am willing to bet that many in that state define the United States as a Christian nation and not of a secular one.
Yeah well... they're wrong.Hope they ban Cybetronian Law next....if Megatron finds and opening he'll exploit it....Omni-Slash
I lol'd.
On topic - redundant at best.
[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]Hope they ban Cybetronian Law next....if Megatron finds and opening he'll exploit it....entropyecho
I lol'd.
On topic - redundant at best.
don't laugh...people take Megatron way too lightly......next thing you know...he's stoning your hot cousin to death for wearing somehting that doesn't cover her ankles.....and let me tell you...stones that are 50 tons.....they hurt....who cares about muslim countries?Many Muslim countries can't or don't want to even consider banning Sharia law.
The question is, why?
p2250
Maybe there's some other reason for banning not just sharia law but internationallaw from Oklahoma courts, as that actually seems like the bolder move.
"This measure amends the State Constitution. It changes a section that deals with the courts of this state. It would amend Article 7, Section 1. It makes courts rely on federal and state law when deciding cases. It forbids courts from considering or using international law. It forbids courts from considering or using Sharia Law.
International law is also known as the law of nations. It deals with the conduct of international organizations and independent nations, such as countries, states and tribes. It deals with their relationship with each other. It also deals with some of their relationships with persons.
The law of nations is formed by the general assent of civilized nations. Sources of international law also include international agreements, as well as treaties."
[QUOTE="p2250"]The question is, what do third world hell holes have to do with Oklahoma?Many Muslim countries can't or don't want to even consider banning Sharia law.
The question is, why?
wstfld
There's a joke somewhere there.
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