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#51 BlizzardBear
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People really dont understand how good classics are. they think since they are part of this generation of crap music they have to listen to it to be cool. Now, its hard to go back to great music since people have this standard of dumb electronic beats and pointless and emotionless lyrics.

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#52 awesomeface
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I like both. Obviously the classics like Pink Floyd, The Beatles, and Led Zeppelin, but I'm a huge fan of Billy Talent and Foo Fighters.
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#53 Gaming-Planet
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I was just talking about this to my step dad this morning. Can't go wrong with classic rock.

In my opinion, modern music is going downhill. I'm tired of hearing teenagers doing their thing. Just look how ruined hip-hop is now. Though some modern music are pretty good.

Wish I could go back in time and experience that time that my step dad had.

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#54 TheColbert
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Anything past the Grunge Age in my opinion is not good. After the mid-90's I don't listen to hardly anything. I like the older bands like Van Halen, GNR, ZZ Top and Aerosmith.
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#55 Bourbons3
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Most of the music I like is at least 10 years old. A lot of it is older than me.
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#56 joesh89
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New music... the classics are good, but move on.

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#57 deathtarget04
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[QUOTE="deathtarget04"]

[QUOTE="tormentor313"] uh... yes, quite a few canWolfattheDoor34

like who? Breaking Benjamin :lol: But no seriously who?

Why start this argument? You're obviously a Zep fanboy so he'll just name some bands and you'll say they're nothing next to Zep...it's all pointless.

Not a zep fanboy. I like a lot of other bands aswell. Pink floyd, GNR, Blue Oyster Cult... You name it :)

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#58 Saturos3091
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New. Everything you listen to has been expanded upon and improved. It happens with all music at one point, but nostalgia keeps them alive. Sometimes it takes several years, sometimes even a decade or two, but everything I've listened to since before the mid-80's has been improved substantially by modern artists. Doesn't make the older artist's weaker for their time, but makes the modern ones much better speaking solely from a musical standpoint.

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#59 Shadow2k6
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[QUOTE="applesxc47"]

Old music by a long shot.

Let's see some new bands hold up against Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Metallica and Anthrax.

Simple answer, they can't.

BiancaDK

Anthrax (formed 1981)

Metallica (formed 1981)

Judas Priests (formed 1969)

Iron Maiden (formed 1975)

Megadeth (formed 1983)

Those are allnew bands. Let´s see those hold up against Chuck Berry, The Big Bopper, Chubby Checker, Danny and the Juniors, Bobby Darin, Bo Diddley orThe Drifters.

Simple answer, they can't.

:lol:

If Anthrax, Metallica, Judas Priests, Iron Maiden, and Megadeth is new music. Then I'll take new music.

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#60 super_mario_128
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Pretty much my entire (tiny) music catalogue contains music from the sixties and seventies. I need an Ipod so I can amend that; as in, change the size of my category, not the period from which my music originates.
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#61 WolfattheDoor34
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New. Everything you listen to has been expanded upon and improved. It happens with all music at one point, but nostalgia keeps them alive. Sometimes it takes several years, sometimes even a decade or two, but everything I've listened to since before the mid-80's has been improved substantially by modern artists. Doesn't make the older artist's weaker for their time, but makes the modern ones much better speaking solely from a musical standpoint.

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This is inherently wrong. It's like saying every new novel or every new film is better than any old one.
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#62 Immortalica
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Both.
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#63 Saturos3091
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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]

New. Everything you listen to has been expanded upon and improved. It happens with all music at one point, but nostalgia keeps them alive. Sometimes it takes several years, sometimes even a decade or two, but everything I've listened to since before the mid-80's has been improved substantially by modern artists. Doesn't make the older artist's weaker for their time, but makes the modern ones much better speaking solely from a musical standpoint.

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This is inherently wrong. It's like saying every new novel or every new film is better than any old one.

That doesn't make any sense. When do new novels improve upon older ones? The English language does not change (substantially) every few years. Music does. Films don't entirely fit either. New cinematography cannot improve a poor script or bad acting, no matter the era. If a modern movie were made with a great script and great acting, as well as excellent cinematography, I would argue that it was the better film.

It's ust like the better production techniques don't improve music, but the actual songwriting does. Music is a much more evolutionary form of art. You can notice patterns through history where music evolved over the course of just a few years, taking what was done previously and adding to it. A good and very obvious example would be (well-performed and tweaked) covers by any artist. Would some call that derivative? Yes, but it doesn't stop the music from being well-written, and that fits in line with what I said on that being solely from a musical standpoint. The only exception to this is cIassical, and that's for obvious reasons.

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#64 Toriko42
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You know what...Both I can find plenty of new music to enjoy and I can always find old music to enjoy in between new releases
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#65 tormentor313
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[QUOTE="metallica_fan42"]I personally don't like new music, unless it's a band that is releasing new material, yet they've been around for a while.flordeceres

Both Metallica and Anthrax are new music D:

uh.. 1983 is not new. 26/27 years is not "recent"
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Both for me
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#67 Wae416
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People really dont understand how good classics are. they think since they are part of this generation of crap music they have to listen to it to be cool. Now, its hard to go back to great music since people have this standard of dumb electronic beats and pointless and emotionless lyrics.

BlizzardBear

hey man, broad generalizations sure are awesome!

A band like Modest Mouse has lyrics that are filled with emotion, moreso than quite a few classic rock bands. Bands like Brand New, Converge, Nine Inch Nails, and obviously many more have lyrics that are BETTER than classic rock lyrics.

Don't get me wrong, I like Classic Rock, but it just doesn't compare lyrics wise.

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#68 rockguy92
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I hate all modern music.
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#69 WolfattheDoor34
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[QUOTE="WolfattheDoor34"][QUOTE="Saturos3091"]

New. Everything you listen to has been expanded upon and improved. It happens with all music at one point, but nostalgia keeps them alive. Sometimes it takes several years, sometimes even a decade or two, but everything I've listened to since before the mid-80's has been improved substantially by modern artists. Doesn't make the older artist's weaker for their time, but makes the modern ones much better speaking solely from a musical standpoint.

Saturos3091

This is inherently wrong. It's like saying every new novel or every new film is better than any old one.

That doesn't make any sense. When do new novels improve upon older ones? The English language does not change (substantially) every few years. Music does. Films don't entirely fit either. New cinematography cannot improve a poor script or bad acting, no matter the era. If a modern movie were made with a great script and great acting, as well as excellent cinematography, I would argue that it was the better film.

It's ust like the better production techniques don't improve music, but the actual songwriting does. Music is a much more evolutionary form of art. You can notice patterns through history where music evolved over the course of just a few years, taking what was done previously and adding to it. A good and very obvious example would be (well-performed and tweaked) covers by any artist. Would some call that derivative? Yes, but it doesn't stop the music from being well-written, and that fits in line with what I said on that being solely from a musical standpoint. The only exception to this is cIassical, and that's for obvious reasons.

You're not really proving your point at all. Are you saying that, within certain genres, the music has improved? Or are you saying that newer genres are simply better than long-standing ones? Either way, you're entirely wrong. How has song-writing improved since the 70s? Covers, that's your example? There are very few covers that are better than the originals. You can say you prefer newer music, as I generally do, but to say that music has become objectively better is ridiculous.

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Well this thread is a little disappointing. I came to see if people are discussing music related arguements between the classic and the modern (which is a great topic in music) but instead all I am seeing are people who are stuck in their nostalgia.

I really like the old school stuff, however, the modern age of music is different, and has evolved with the times. We can't expect the same things, the sad and good part of the new generation was that we lost what we loved, which was the old nostalgic sound, however, what was good was the fact that everything started over again. Speaking for myself, I had to rediscover what I liked in music and what I didn't, it was a fun and great journey to expand my limits and see what else is out their.

Thanks to that cleansing I was able to discover, Sigur Ros, and Arcade Fire, enjoy Interpol, Silversun Pickups, and get to see bands that were re-emerging (such as Bjork, Radiohead, Pearl Jam, The Smashing Pumpkins) in a clearer prospective. With that said, I will say I have greatly enjoyed both.

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#71 sonic__323
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I mostly prefer hearing the new music but there are some old songs that I still like though.

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#72 Juggernaut140
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I like both :3
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#73 MrsSolidSnake
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Bon Jovi ftw.

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You're not really proving your point at all. Are you saying that, within certain genres, the music has improved? Or are you saying that newer genres are simply better than long-standing ones? Either way, you're entirely wrong. How has song-writing improved since the 70s? Covers, that's your example? There are very few covers that are better than the originals. You can say you prefer newer music, as I generally do, but to say that music has become objectively better is ridiculous.

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My main aim was improved in certain genres, most notably in the subgenres of rock. I forgot to specify that, oops. :oops:

With Jazz and CIassical I'd strongly agree that music hasn't improved much thanks to material losing the original focus of the genre, drifting away and actually becoming simpler. Also there are plenty of covers that are better than the original, are you kidding me? Just do some searching and you're bound to find numerous examples...

Music can be judged objectively based on several characteristics, including melody, harmony, structure, rhythm, etc. A lot of artists nowadays, especially in the subgenres of rock (most of them developed in the last thirty years; post-rock, the majority of metal, etc.), have expanded upon the original ideas to the extent that the original ideas no longer compare. Does it make them "worse?" Not particularly, but I personally believe that the more complex the music is while still retaining those key fundamental (objective) elements, the better it is. Perhaps I was blurring the line a little between opinion and fact, and thus you misunderstood my point, but I made what I was saying pretty clear in the movie analogy that you provided. Taking something and improving upon it in every conceivable way makes it better, obviously. If you disagree, I'd like to know why.

Simplistic music can be great in that it still can evoke a strong emotion, but that changes from person to person. Objectively you can only judge based on those elements and the technicality of the music involved, which that last element is where my argument comes into play.

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#75 adv_tr00per
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whatever you would call the 90's, thats what i vote for.

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#76 LZ71
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I hate all modern music.rockguy92
I find that incredibly hard to believe.
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#77 adv_tr00per
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[QUOTE="rockguy92"]I hate all modern music.LZ71
I find that incredibly hard to believe.

i dunno man, some people are like that....
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#78 LZ71
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[QUOTE="LZ71"][QUOTE="rockguy92"]I hate all modern music.adv_tr00per
I find that incredibly hard to believe.

i dunno man, some people are like that....

I think those people are forcing themselves to believe that...I honestly can not believe someone who says they can't find a single modern band that they like, in an incredibly deep sea of genres.
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#79 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LZ71"] I find that incredibly hard to believe.

I don't understand how if one likes music they can dislike so much of it....but maybe that is just me.
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#80 Eazy1891
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I'm more of a rap person and the best rap can pretty much be found in the 90s, now it's pretty much garbage. I blame the target audience at that though. Right now it's all poppy dance ****, although there are some good albums put out from time to time.

BS_1

yeah thats radio rap though...and now u have a whole bunch of preppy white girls and boys who are all "omg lil wayne and soulja boy are so cool"

i listen to all music but when it comes to rap im all about the mixtapes and underground....i only listen to a couple of radio rappers that are actually good like TI and Jay Z

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#81 rockguy92
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[QUOTE="adv_tr00per"][QUOTE="LZ71"] I find that incredibly hard to believe.LZ71
i dunno man, some people are like that....

I think those people are forcing themselves to believe that...I honestly can not believe someone who says they can't find a single modern band that they like, in an incredibly deep sea of genres.

I haven't found one...
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#82 Wae416
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[QUOTE="LZ71"][QUOTE="adv_tr00per"] i dunno man, some people are like that....rockguy92
I think those people are forcing themselves to believe that...I honestly can not believe someone who says they can't find a single modern band that they like, in an incredibly deep sea of genres.

I haven't found one...

Well, enlighten us with what you like and we could certainly help find some modern music that you might like.

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#83 8-Bitterness
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new music by realllly farrrr, i mean in this decade we have got TONS of the best hardcore, post hardcore, deathcore, metalcore, mathcore, etc albums EVERRR
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#84 tormentor313
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new music by realllly farrrr, i mean in this decade we have got TONS of the best hardcore, post hardcore, deathcore, metalcore, mathcore, etc albums EVERRR8-Bitterness
haha funniest post so far, good one dude.
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#85 8-Bitterness
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[QUOTE="8-Bitterness"]new music by realllly farrrr, i mean in this decade we have got TONS of the best hardcore, post hardcore, deathcore, metalcore, mathcore, etc albums EVERRRtormentor313
haha funniest post so far, good one dude.

yeah i also laughed so hard at how there could be someone not realizing that the 2000's are awesome musically speaking

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#86 Saturos3091
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How has song-writing improved since the 70s?

WolfattheDoor34



Saw this but didn't elaborate on it in my last post. Like with many earlier artists like The Beatles, more modern artists have revolutionized the way instruments are played. It has changed songwriting in numerous fairly substantial ways.

Hell sweep picking wasn't popularized or even used very often until the mid-80's when Frank Gambale made light of it and gave it that term. Adding more structural and writing variety to music is an improvement in my opinion, but perhaps limiting one's music is better in some people's opinions (see my other post).

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#87 krazykillaz
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It's all subjective. What's new today is gonna be old tomorrow.
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#88 majoras_wrath
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I love the music that came out during the 90's that wasn't grunge. Indie music nowadays also is very interesting. Classic rock I could care less about, with the exceptions of the Beatles and Pink Floyd, classic rock is incredibly boring too me. Particularly Led Zeppelin. *yawn*
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#89 pianist
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Old. It's not even close. And by old, I mean decades to centuries. None of this post 1950s crap. Well, maybe a LITTLE post 1950s crap. But not much.

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#90 black_cat19
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Biased much, TC?

Anyway, pretty much all of the music I listen to except for CIassical comes from the 90's to date, so I'll go with new music.

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#91 Lockedge
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People really dont understand how good new music is. they think since previous generations adore older music, not to mention steady radio-play, that they have to listen to it to be cool. Now, its hard to get people to check into new music since people have this standard of "classic rock riffs" and pointless and emotionless guitar solos.

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Fixed :P But seriously, everyone knows how good the "classics" are. The fact is, those hundreds of classics are handpicked out of tens of thousands of other songs that were popular at the time that don't get played too often anymore. You won't see the great current music unless you either start checking in on it now, or you end up waiting 20-30 years for it to resurface and become a bit more popular. :?
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his thread is going great. The maim reason i like old music better is because all the new stuff is edited by computers. I think they only do that because their voices are crappy and need to be edited. I never get sick of old music because they were more creative. All the songs sounded unique (except ACDC, though their a great band) Ozzy Osbourne, The beatles, Frank Zappa, deep purple, gentle giant, led zepplin, Yes, Budgie. Thisis a list of musicians and bands that i call musical geniouses. Now all the music sounds the sameand the lyrics are repeated to much.

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#93 Lockedge
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Well this thread is a little disappointing. I came to see if people are discussing music related arguements between the classic and the modern (which is a great topic in music) but instead all I am seeing are people who are stuck in their nostalgia.

I really like the old school stuff, however, the modern age of music is different, and has evolved with the times. We can't expect the same things, the sad and good part of the new generation was that we lost what we loved, which was the old nostalgic sound, however, what was good was the fact that everything started over again. Speaking for myself, I had to rediscover what I liked in music and what I didn't, it was a fun and great journey to expand my limits and see what else is out their.

Thanks to that cleansing I was able to discover, Sigur Ros, and Arcade Fire, enjoy Interpol, Silversun Pickups, and get to see bands that were re-emerging (such as Bjork, Radiohead, Pearl Jam, The Smashing Pumpkins) in a clearer prospective. With that said, I will say I have greatly enjoyed both.

mexicangordo
Aye. Most people don't expand their music tastes after their 20th birthday, which is kind of depressing :(
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#94 coolkid93
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Old hands down. Everything that's out now (well majority of it) sucks. Including EVERY GENRE.
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Metal classics!!!!
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#96 Lockedge
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his thread is going great. The maim reason i like old music better is because all the new stuff is edited by computers. I think they only do that because their voices are crappy and need to be edited. I never get sick of old music because they were more creative. All the songs sounded unique (except ACDC, though their a great band) Ozzy Osbourne, The beatles, Frank Zappa, deep purple, gentle giant, led zepplin, Yes, Budgie. Thisis a list of musicians and bands that i call musical geniouses. Now all the music sounds the sameand the lyrics are repeated to much.

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On one hand, I do agree that songs can definitely be overproduced, and computers can fix a lack of natural talent, more often than not.

However, those are the musicians you usually should avoid(I say usually because some people don't have the best natural voices or whatever, but they use music software to alter their sound n creative ways, such as The Knife). Much like Barry Manilow isn't praised among the "****c rock" scenesters, The Jonas Bros aren't among the folk who are genuinely interested in new music. Barry Manilow was zounds more popular than Gentle Giant(love that band, although I'd put Genesis and King Crimson ahead of them in terms of prog-rock enjoyability and talent), but Gentle Giant remains a lasting influence that was under-appreciated at the time, much like how bands like Menomena, Wolf parade, Shearwater, My Morning Jacket and Neutral Milk Hotel go under-appreciated among the modern populace.

The older generation had the benefit of being able to branch out new genres, and work with technology as it grew up. These days, there are new genres made but they're sub-sub-genres, because music HAS been explored. It doesn't make the old dudes better, it just makes it harder for the new guys to get credit for what they do.

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#97 jrhawk42
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Since I'm getting older I find it easier to find old music I like... older songs that are still popular have stood the test of time and proven their worth. That's nothing against new music which I believe is probably better than old, but it's just so hard to sift through all the crap. There was plenty of crap in the old days too, but most of it's been forgotten, and we're mostly just left w/ the truly best music of those generations. You could say I should rely on music reviews, but those are BS. Led Zepplin's albums got fairly poor reviews in the 70's, and I'm pretty sure it's the same w/ several bands today.

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#98 Faber_Fighter
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I can't decide. I hate a lot of older songs, but there are still plenty that i enjoy listening to. Same thing with newer songs, a lot of them are hit or misses, but nevertheless there are still plenty I enjoy.
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#99 Lonelynight
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I prefer old, as in a few hundred years old.
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#100 Lonelynight
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ALL decades have both good and bad music and I wouldn't want to limit myself....in addition old vs new is rather a vague label.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure there a lot of bad music in the past, it's just that only the good ones are remembered.