One Example Against Evolution!

[QUOTE="xboxdudeman800"]Chance and randomness is part of evolutionLJS9502_basic

No, no,no.....evolution is a step forward...there should be no chance and randomness involved. It occurs for a reason.

Give me an example of macro evolution. Obviously I'm a moron. So what proof is there? I have literally thousands of proofs for creationism.(Radio Halos, Jabal Al-Lawz, Earth's Magnetic Field, Helium content, Expansion of space fabric...ect.)How about cells? A living cell is so awesomely complex that its interdependent components stagger the imagination and defy evolutionary explanations. A minimal cell contains over 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations.16 The chance of this assemblage occurring by chance is 1 in 10 4,478,296 .17 maheo30

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[QUOTE="xboxdudeman800"]Chance and randomness is part of evolutionjim_shorts

No, no,no.....evolution is a step forward...there should be no chance and randomness involved. It occurs for a reason.

[QUOTE="maheo30"]You want to prove evolution? You flip a coin and get it to land on heads 150 times in a row and I'll believe in evolution. Until then I'll stick with the more logical approach. Jesus Christ!
xaos

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[QUOTE="xboxdudeman800"]Chance and randomness is part of evolutionjim_shorts

No, no,no.....evolution is a step forward...there should be no chance and randomness involved. It occurs for a reason.

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[QUOTE="xboxdudeman800"]Chance and randomness is part of evolutionjim_shorts

No, no,no.....evolution is a step forward...there should be no chance and randomness involved. It occurs for a reason.

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="darklord888"]

I thought I'd post just one of the many creatures that prove evolution.

The texas cave salamander lives in pitch black caves in water with little oxygen so after thousands of years it lost its eyes, it's skin turned white and its gills went on the outside so it can beathe well with such low oxygen. Now if evolution wasn't real why the hell would it have no eyes?

darklord888

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[QUOTE="xboxdudeman800"]Chance and randomness is part of evolutionxaos

No, no,no.....evolution is a step forward...there should be no chance and randomness involved. It occurs for a reason.

Which is pretty much progress...:|

Correct, most mutations ARE bad.  Thats why evolution is such a slow process.  Mutations are few and far between, especially the good ones.  Def_Jef88

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[QUOTE="xboxdudeman800"]Chance and randomness is part of evolutionLJS9502_basic

No, no,no.....evolution is a step forward...there should be no chance and randomness involved. It occurs for a reason.

Mutations are not quite the same.

Wait what? People still believe in god?andytimtim

yah i know isnt it amazing 

How is a wisdom tooth more useless than any other tooth.jim_shorts

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I thought I'd post just one of the many creatures that prove evolution.

The texas cave salamander lives in pitch black caves in water with little oxygen so after thousands of years it lost its eyes, it's skin turned white and its gills went on the outside so it can beathe well with such low oxygen. Now if evolution wasn't real why the hell would it have no eyes?

jim_shorts

 Evolution is spontaneous. No reason involvedCptJSparrow

No....evolution is another way for adaptation.  There is a reason why things evolve.  Otherwise, there would be no evolution needed.

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[QUOTE="xboxdudeman800"]Chance and randomness is part of evolutionLJS9502_basic

No, no,no.....evolution is a step forward...there should be no chance and randomness involved. It occurs for a reason.

Which is pretty much progress...:|

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"] Correct, most mutations ARE bad. Thats why evolution is such a slow process. Mutations are few and far between, especially the good ones. jim_shorts

no when species gets a mutation to make them survive better then they reproduce more effeciently and have more of the same species with the mutation

the guy wont answer any of our questions because he cant, he has based his life on what his parents told him and book that was wrote by a bunch of people at different times and then the church didnt let anything else get in(like if a women wanted to add something).

plz!! do u understand how evolution works! do u understand mutations? no? .....i thought so

Wait what?  People still believe in god?andytimtim

[QUOTE="andytimtim"]Wait what? People still believe in god?jim_shorts

Lies surely? 

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Evolution is spontaneous. No reason involvedLJS9502_basic

No....evolution is another way for adaptation. There is a reason why things evolve. Otherwise, there would be no evolution needed.

There is a need for adaption, but mutations are random 

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"] Correct, most mutations ARE bad. Thats why evolution is such a slow process. Mutations are few and far between, especially the good ones. jim_shorts

It happens to a few and then they breed and breed and so on and so forth...thus the whole species eventually has the new genes or whatever it may be that the originals evolved. It doesnt have to be on a large scale to spread thoughout the species.

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"] Correct, most mutations ARE bad. Thats why evolution is such a slow process. Mutations are few and far between, especially the good ones. jim_shorts

Well things like intellect are not necessarily beneficial in an evolutionary sense; I guess it depends on your notion of progress. I thought you were saying like progress *toward* something, and there really isn't anything like that in evolutionary theory. Sorry if I misunderstood your intent.xaos

No, I just meant a 'better' model as it were....nothing fancy.

the guy wont answer any of our questions because he cant, he has based his life on what his parents told him and book that was wrote by a bunch of people at different times and then the church didnt let anything else get in(like if a women wanted to add something).

plz!! do u understand how evolution works! do u understand mutations? no? .....i thought so

hip-hop-cola

[QUOTE="andytimtim"]Wait what? People still believe in god?cory4513

yah i know isnt it amazing

There is a need for adaption, but mutations are random 

cory4513

:lol:  So adaptation to environment and food supply changes are not necessary?  Please.

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the guy wont answer any of our questions because he cant, he has based his life on what his parents told him and book that was wrote by a bunch of people at different times and then the church didnt let anything else get in(like if a women wanted to add something).

plz!! do u understand how evolution works! do u understand mutations? no? .....i thought so

jim_shorts

Theres morons on both sides of issues, sometimes they're more vocal on one side than others.

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"] Correct, most mutations ARE bad. Thats why evolution is such a slow process. Mutations are few and far between, especially the good ones. LoveStaindRed

It happens to a few and then they breed and breed and so on and so forth...thus the whole species eventually has the new genes or whatever it may be that the originals evolved. It doesnt have to be on a large scale to spread thoughout the species.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Evolution is spontaneous. No reason involvedLJS9502_basic

No....evolution is another way for adaptation. There is a reason why things evolve. Otherwise, there would be no evolution needed.

The salamander arguement actually just proved my point. Evolution is a religion. You've shown me variations within kinds. Pointing to micro to prove macro. It is still a freakin salamander. And the Galapagos island arguemenmt? That's a loss of info not a gain. You mean to tell me they kept losing info until they got it right? LOL. That is religion not science.
maheo30

If you dont plan on using any logic or intelligence, then please see yourself out of the topic... 

Give me an example of macro evolution. Obviously I'm a moron. So what proof is there? I have literally thousands of proofs for creationism.(Radio Halos, Jabal Al-Lawz, Earth's Magnetic Field, Helium content, Expansion of space fabric...ect.)How about cells? A living cell is so awesomely complex that its interdependent components stagger the imagination and defy evolutionary explanations. A minimal cell contains over 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations.16 The chance of this assemblage occurring by chance is 1 in 10 4,478,296 .17 maheo30

Helium content - whats amazing...?

Earth's Magnetic Field - isnt that becouse of spining metals inside the earth

the others i havnt heard of dont know. a living cell dint just appear.....the earth is VERY old giving lots of time for that to happen.

"16 The chance of this assemblage occurring by chance is 1 in 10 4,478,296 .17" - what! thats not how evolution works buddy lol....then a fly could mutate into a lion.....evolution is small changes.lol and u said u under-stud evolution.

The salamander arguement actually just proved my point. Evolution is a religion. You've shown me variations within kinds. Pointing to micro to prove macro. It is still a freakin salamander. And the Galapagos island arguemenmt? That's a loss of info not a gain. You mean to tell me they kept losing info until they got it right? LOL. That is religion not science.
maheo30

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the guy wont answer any of our questions because he cant, he has based his life on what his parents told him and book that was wrote by a bunch of people at different times and then the church didnt let anything else get in(like if a women wanted to add something).

plz!! do u understand how evolution works! do u understand mutations? no? .....i thought so

jim_shorts

Thats probably because it is no longer a debate....Evolution is generally excepted throughout the world as a fact, evolution isnt the beleif we evolved from monkeys, it is a theory, like gravity and why the earth rotates.

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[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"] Correct, most mutations ARE bad. Thats why evolution is such a slow process. Mutations are few and far between, especially the good ones. jim_shorts

It happens to a few and then they breed and breed and so on and so forth...thus the whole species eventually has the new genes or whatever it may be that the originals evolved. It doesnt have to be on a large scale to spread thoughout the species.

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="hip-hop-cola"]

the guy wont answer any of our questions because he cant, he has based his life on what his parents told him and book that was wrote by a bunch of people at different times and then the church didnt let anything else get in(like if a women wanted to add something).

plz!! do u understand how evolution works! do u understand mutations? no? .....i thought so

LoveStaindRed

Thats probably because it is no longer a debate....Evolution is generally excepted throughout the world as a fact, evolution isnt the beleif we evolved from monkeys, it is a theory, like gravity and why the earth rotates.

also because he has been told god is real from a baby so its ingrained in his brain

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Evolution is spontaneous. No reason involvedCptJSparrow

No....evolution is another way for adaptation. There is a reason why things evolve. Otherwise, there would be no evolution needed.

Then you are in effect saying de-evolution occurs as well....

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="hip-hop-cola"]

the guy wont answer any of our questions because he cant, he has based his life on what his parents told him and book that was wrote by a bunch of people at different times and then the church didnt let anything else get in(like if a women wanted to add something).

plz!! do u understand how evolution works! do u understand mutations? no? .....i thought so

LoveStaindRed

Thats probably because it is no longer a debate....Evolution is generally excepted throughout the world as a fact, evolution isnt the beleif we evolved from monkeys, it is a theory, like gravity and why the earth rotates.

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[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"] Correct, most mutations ARE bad. Thats why evolution is such a slow process. Mutations are few and far between, especially the good ones. Def_Jef88

It happens to a few and then they breed and breed and so on and so forth...thus the whole species eventually has the new genes or whatever it may be that the originals evolved. It doesnt have to be on a large scale to spread thoughout the species.

I almost said that, but then I said, "oh they will be able to infer that from what I said"...apparently I was wrong. 

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the guy wont answer any of our questions because he cant, he has based his life on what his parents told him and book that was wrote by a bunch of people at different times and then the church didnt let anything else get in(like if a women wanted to add something).

plz!! do u understand how evolution works! do u understand mutations? no? .....i thought so

jim_shorts

Thats probably because it is no longer a debate....Evolution is generally excepted throughout the world as a fact, evolution isnt the beleif we evolved from monkeys, it is a theory, like gravity and why the earth rotates.

Niether did the concept of oxygen.

You want to prove evolution? You flip a coin and get it to land on heads 150 times in a row and I'll believe in evolution. Until then I'll stick with the more logical approach. Jesus Christ!
maheo30

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the guy wont answer any of our questions because he cant, he has based his life on what his parents told him and book that was wrote by a bunch of people at different times and then the church didnt let anything else get in(like if a women wanted to add something).

plz!! do u understand how evolution works! do u understand mutations? no? .....i thought so

jim_shorts

Thats probably because it is no longer a debate....Evolution is generally excepted throughout the world as a fact, evolution isnt the beleif we evolved from monkeys, it is a theory, like gravity and why the earth rotates.

Actually a lot of religous people do beleive evolution occurs nowadays...it is just stubborn ones who want to beleive in some lame book written by different people in different times instead, because they think they will go to h3ll if they dont. 

I almost said that, but then I said, "oh they will be able to infer that from what I said"...apparently I was wrong. 

LoveStaindRed

Look it is a Duck evolving into a Beaver!

Essentially, that is what creationists want...some magical chimera to prove evolution. It just shows their level of ignorance or in some cases intellectual dishonesty. 

The salamander arguement actually just proved my point. Evolution is a religion. You've shown me variations within kinds. Pointing to micro to prove macro. It is still a freakin salamander. And the Galapagos island arguemenmt? That's a loss of info not a gain. You mean to tell me they kept losing info until they got it right? LOL. That is religion not science.
maheo30

Provide a definition for "kinds". I've yet to see a Creationist definition of 'kind' that is not in some way absurd. What do you consider to be a species?

Is a Wind Scorpion aka. Sun Spider a spider or a scorpion or are they all in the insect kind?

Is the Racoon Dog a Racoon or Dog?

Is the Lion of the same kind as the common house cat?

The Creationist 'kind' is simply a mishmash of standards that has absolutely no bearing on the genetics of said creatures.

[QUOTE="maheo30"]You want to prove evolution? You flip a coin and get it to land on heads 150 times in a row and I'll believe in evolution. Until then I'll stick with the more logical approach. Jesus Christ!
wemhim

Yeah thats something else I dont get...how come the christian god is the only right one? Just because it was the one forced on people throughout the world? Is that why? Because if this is true...that would mean a LOT of people are going to hell for worshipping a false god. 

Wait what?  People still believe in god?andytimtim

yeah I don't know why.

Actually a lot of religous people do beleive evolution occurs nowadays...it is just stubborn ones who want to beleive in some lame book written by different people in different times instead, because they think they will go to h3ll if they dont. 

LoveStaindRed

Yes, religious people believe in evolution....that does NOT preclude their belief in the Bible, however.  They are not mutually exclusive.....really they are not.

Then you are in effect saying de-evolution occurs as well....

LJS9502_basic

De-evolution does not exist.  By saying something "De-evolves" it implies that a final build or product is in sight or mind.  Evolution does not have a set goal, it's changing making evolution a forward moving process.