owner gets arrested for filming cops and cop kills his dog

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Yeah, it's a damned dog. It's not like they have the ability to kill you...oh wait, they do. Really? wait for a bite? are you stupid?  Why not wait to get shot before you shoot someone then

lostrib

First of all I"m not watching the video (can't stand seeing dogs killed) but tc says he was on a leash. Also a dog isn't going to kill a cop with a people around to reastrain it. I'm not buying it. I don't like unecceary use of weapons or people or dogs. I don't think this was justified. But what do I know, maybe it goes right for the jugular and I end up looking like an asshole.

except most of that isn't true. 

"Once he is handcuffed you can hear the dog barking with his head out of the window of the car.

A few moments go by and the dog leaps out of the car as the police turn to look at the Rottweiler running at them.  The dog stops for a moment and then one of the officers seems to make a gesture toward the Rottweiler.  The animal jumps up at his arm in an attempt to bite him."

I'm not sensing the life threatening danger. Could have used anything instead of his gun. And if there was multiple police officers, I doubt they couldn't have handles a dog until its owner came.

Omg get over it, you mofos should cry about all those people that are dying every day in wars or starving to death in Africa...  not over a dog.
Besides owner's fault...

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] They tend to arrest people that film them while they are working....LJS9502_basic

i believe that's legal as long as you don't interfere

you are finished lol

Federal Court Rules Videotaping Police Is A First Amendment Right http://peacefreedomprosperity.com/5618/federal-court-rules-videotaping-police-is-a-first-amendment-right/

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

it doesn't matter, in California it is legal to film police officers while on duty

lostrib

well that's a civil issue

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] They tend to arrest people that film them while they are working....LJS9502_basic

i believe that's legal as long as you don't interfere

It really doesn't matter. The issue of filming arrests, whether of the ultimately innocent or guilty, is not the motivator for the various laws that are in progress of being enacted to make filming police activities illegal in their respective municipalities. There is no "victims of false arrest" union out there lobbying for this. The primary actors are police unions and Government agencies, many of which have been the target of lawsuits for abuse.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

First of all I"m not watching the video (can't stand seeing dogs killed) but tc says he was on a leash. Also a dog isn't going to kill a cop with a people around to reastrain it. I'm not buying it. I don't like unecceary use of weapons or people or dogs. I don't think this was justified. But what do I know, maybe it goes right for the jugular and I end up looking like an asshole.

Jolt_counter119

except most of that isn't true. 

"Once he is handcuffed you can hear the dog barking with his head out of the window of the car.

A few moments go by and the dog leaps out of the car as the police turn to look at the Rottweiler running at them.  The dog stops for a moment and then one of the officers seems to make a gesture toward the Rottweiler.  The animal jumps up at his arm in an attempt to bite him."

I'm not sensing the life threatening danger. Could have used anything instead of his gun. And if there was multiple police officers, I doubt they couldn't have handles a dog until its owner came.

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] They tend to arrest people that film them while they are working....cain006

I didn't know filming the police was illegal.

Fair enough.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

First of all I"m not watching the video (can't stand seeing dogs killed) but tc says he was on a leash. Also a dog isn't going to kill a cop with a people around to reastrain it. I'm not buying it. I don't like unecceary use of weapons or people or dogs. I don't think this was justified. But what do I know, maybe it goes right for the jugular and I end up looking like an asshole.

Jolt_counter119

except most of that isn't true. 

"Once he is handcuffed you can hear the dog barking with his head out of the window of the car.

A few moments go by and the dog leaps out of the car as the police turn to look at the Rottweiler running at them.  The dog stops for a moment and then one of the officers seems to make a gesture toward the Rottweiler.  The animal jumps up at his arm in an attempt to bite him."

I'm not sensing the life threatening danger. Could have used anything instead of his gun. And if there was multiple police officers, I doubt they couldn't have handles a dog until its owner came.

the owner was under arrest. So officers should risk getting bitten by a strange dog?  And guess what, if the dog bites them while they restrain it, then it gets euthanized anyways.  I don't like dead dogs either, but perhaps the owner should have secured his dog better so it couldn't get out of the car

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] They tend to arrest people that film them while they are working....LJS9502_basic

i believe that's legal as long as you don't interfere

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I'd sue the person that did the filming.LJS9502_basic

well that's a civil issue

yes, that's what i already said

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

i believe that's legal as long as you don't interfere

m0zart

It really doesn't matter. The issue of filming arrests, whether of the ultimately innocent or guilty, is not the motivator for the various laws that are in progress of being enacted to make filming police activities illegal in their respective municipalities. There is no "victims of false arrest" union out there lobbying for this. The primary actors are police unions and Government agencies, many of which have been the target of lawsuits for abuse.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

i believe that's legal as long as you don't interfere

m0zart

It really doesn't matter. The issue of filming arrests, whether of the ultimately innocent or guilty, is not the motivator for the various laws that are in progress of being enacted to make filming police activities illegal in their respective municipalities. There is no "victims of false arrest" union out there lobbying for this. The primary actors are police unions and Government agencies, many of which have been the target of lawsuits for abuse.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

well that's a civil issue

lostrib

yes, that's what i already said

[QUOTE="m0zart"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Let me ask you this...let's assume you were mistaken for someone else and arrested....would you want film of that out there? Everyone would remember the arrest...no one would bother to mention you did nothing wrong.ThaneKrios28

It really doesn't matter. The issue of filming arrests, whether of the ultimately innocent or guilty, is not the motivator for the various laws that are in progress of being enacted to make filming police activities illegal in their respective municipalities. There is no "victims of false arrest" union out there lobbying for this. The primary actors are police unions and Government agencies, many of which have been the target of lawsuits for abuse.

Well perhaps there should be an investigation first 

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I looked up California law on this and got this answer....In California you are allowed to film/video/audiotape police officers in their official duty as long as you are in public and don't interfere with the police's duty. So whatever he was doing...they got him for interfering. Which a court would have to decide.LJS9502_basic

yes, that's what i already said

yes, I didn't deny that.

"i believe that's legal as long as you don't interfere"

 

the owner was under arrest. So officers should risk getting bitten by a strange dog?  And guess what, if the dog bites them while they restrain it, then it gets euthanized anyways.  I don't like dead dogs either, but perhaps the owner should have secured his dog better so it couldn't get out of the car

lostrib

I don't think they should have risked getting bit by a dog, but I don't think they needed to shoot it either. Why not use a taser or club to scare it first and see what happens before shooting first.

Well perhaps there should be an investigation first lostrib

[QUOTE="m0zart"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Let me ask you this...let's assume you were mistaken for someone else and arrested....would you want film of that out there? Everyone would remember the arrest...no one would bother to mention you did nothing wrong.LJS9502_basic

It really doesn't matter. The issue of filming arrests, whether of the ultimately innocent or guilty, is not the motivator for the various laws that are in progress of being enacted to make filming police activities illegal in their respective municipalities. There is no "victims of false arrest" union out there lobbying for this. The primary actors are police unions and Government agencies, many of which have been the target of lawsuits for abuse.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

 

the owner was under arrest. So officers should risk getting bitten by a strange dog?  And guess what, if the dog bites them while they restrain it, then it gets euthanized anyways.  I don't like dead dogs either, but perhaps the owner should have secured his dog better so it couldn't get out of the car

Jolt_counter119

I don't think they should have risked getting bit by a dog, but I don't think they needed to shoot it either. Why not use a tazer or club to scare it first and see what happens before shooting first.

So electrocution or beating, and then maybe still have to shoot it.  Yeah, I'm sure that wouldn't have caused an equally large shit storm at all

Omg get over it, you mofos should cry about all those people that are dying every day in wars or starving to death in Africa...  not over a dog.
Besides owner's fault...

V3rciS

obviously if it happens enough, poeple get desensitized to it. with people dying everyday, it eventually becomes a "meh situation"

and did you watch the video?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="m0zart"]

It really doesn't matter. The issue of filming arrests, whether of the ultimately innocent or guilty, is not the motivator for the various laws that are in progress of being enacted to make filming police activities illegal in their respective municipalities. There is no "victims of false arrest" union out there lobbying for this. The primary actors are police unions and Government agencies, many of which have been the target of lawsuits for abuse.

Fightingfan

police abuse

cop legally could not do such a thing Emily Good Arrested for Filming Cops From Her Front Yard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40pf26zbvoQ

also CNN COP arrest Reporter and his Camera man for videotaping a crash scene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnqIqF6WpxY

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

yes, that's what i already said

lostrib

yes, I didn't deny that.

"i believe that's legal as long as you don't interfere"

 

So electrocution or beating, and then maybe still have to shoot it.  Yeah, I'm sure that wouldn't have caused an equally large shit storm at all

lostrib

Could have saved the dogs life, or maybe not. Guess it's always easier to shoot first.

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't care. I don't think people should film other's being arrested. It's an invasion of privacy. I'd like to see the courts address that.LJS9502_basic

police abuse

 

cop legally could not do such a thing Emily Good Arrested for Filming Cops From Her Front Yard

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40pf26zbvoQ

 

also CNN COP arrest Reporter and his Camera man for videotaping a crash scene

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnqIqF6WpxY

ThaneKrios28

Yes, there are bad cops, like your cousin. And most likely these cases wont be prosecuted, and then the city/state will get sued

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"] You don't have a right to privacy in public ThaneKrios28

probable cause

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

 

So electrocution or beating, and then maybe still have to shoot it.  Yeah, I'm sure that wouldn't have caused an equally large shit storm at all

Jolt_counter119

Could have saved the dogs life, or maybe not. Guess it's always easier to shoot first.

Then risk bodily harm? yeah. Also, why doesn't the owner receive any criticism for not properly securing his dog

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"] You don't have a right to privacy in public ThaneKrios28

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Okay. So if one interferes while filming...they can be arrested.LJS9502_basic

yes, I didn't deny that.

"i believe that's legal as long as you don't interfere"

Didn't say that. Was responding to your statement that cops tend to arrest people for filming them. The simple act of filming police is legal, as long as you do not interfere

Yes, there are bad cops, like your cousin. And most likely these cases wont be prosecuted, and then the city/state will get suedlostrib

[QUOTE="V3rciS"]

Omg get over it, you mofos should cry about all those people that are dying every day in wars or starving to death in Africa...  not over a dog.
Besides owner's fault...

konvikt_17

obviously if it happens enough, poeple get desensitized to it. with people dying everyday, it eventually becomes a "meh situation"

and did you watch the video?

federal court ruled in 2011 videotaping cops is a first ammendmant right. therefore cop should not only be fired but he should be charge with unlawful arrest of a person and animal cruelity . he should no be able to get a pension http://peacefreedomprosperity.com/5618/federal-court-rules-videotaping-police-is-a-first-amendment-right/ThaneKrios28

Yes, but in that case it takes more than one Federal Court for the ruling to be national. The Federal Court in question has a limited jurisdiction. California is out of its zone. As long as a ruling like that isn't made across several jurisdictions, it will only continually be tested by those who push the laws in other jurisdictions.

In any case, on Googling this a bit, it looks like the Obama Administration's Department of Justice has given their own separate "ruling" -- stating emphatically that it is legal for any citizen to record the police in the line of duty.. which is something I was unaware of. It seems the only reason this ruling came to their attention and motivated a change is that the individual filming has White House Press credentials, which sort of forced the issue. Still, I'll take that ruling happily (while noting the irony that they didn't in this case call the would-be documentarian a spy).

[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

[QUOTE="V3rciS"]

Omg get over it, you mofos should cry about all those people that are dying every day in wars or starving to death in Africa...  not over a dog.
Besides owner's fault...

V3rciS

obviously if it happens enough, poeple get desensitized to it. with people dying everyday, it eventually becomes a "meh situation"

and did you watch the video?

Yeah, but people like dogs.  We hate other people

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

yes, I didn't deny that.

"i believe that's legal as long as you don't interfere"

lostrib

Didn't say that. Was responding to your statement that cops tend to arrest people for filming them. The simple act of filming police is legal, as long as you do not interfere

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] So it's premature to say he shouldn't have been arrested. LJS9502_basic

Didn't say that. Was responding to your statement that cops tend to arrest people for filming them. The simple act of filming police is legal, as long as you do not interfere

Basically, yes it is legal to film police as long as you don't interfere. This guy got arrested. So he was either interferring, or the cops are abusing their power.  I'll wait for more of the facts to come out before making a decision which one it is (and I refuse to watch the video).

[QUOTE="V3rciS"]

[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

obviously if it happens enough, poeple get desensitized to it. with people dying everyday, it eventually becomes a "meh situation"

and did you watch the video?

lostrib

Yeah, but people like dogs.  We hate other people

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="V3rciS"]
Yes I watched it...
Still it's sad how fake people are, they b1tch about an animal yet they don't care about HUMAN lives.
You people need a good Alien invasion to purge this filthy planet , maybe then you'll start appreciating your own species.

V3rciS

Yeah, but people like dogs.  We hate other people

Autobots! Roll out!

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

 

So electrocution or beating, and then maybe still have to shoot it.  Yeah, I'm sure that wouldn't have caused an equally large shit storm at all

lostrib

Could have saved the dogs life, or maybe not. Guess it's always easier to shoot first.

Then risk bodily harm? yeah. Also, why doesn't the owner receive any criticism for not properly securing his dog

Apparently "risk of bodily harm" was taken out of the job description and replaced by "if you feel any risk...unload."

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't care. I don't think people should film other's being arrested. It's an invasion of privacy. I'd like to see the courts address that.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]If the cops drag you out of your house...you weren't in public. Not your fault they put you there. And seriously... I cannot see why anyone would condone some ass with a camera filming PRIVATE citizens.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

[QUOTE="V3rciS"]

Omg get over it, you mofos should cry about all those people that are dying every day in wars or starving to death in Africa...  not over a dog.
Besides owner's fault...

V3rciS

obviously if it happens enough, poeple get desensitized to it. with people dying everyday, it eventually becomes a "meh situation"

and did you watch the video?

so how does showing emotion for an animal make us fake?

did we see a human die in the video? no, was a dog(didnt even see him die, just writhing in pain). so obviously we are going to focus on that.

and like i said earlier, when you see/hear about the same thing over and over, eventually, your just not going to care anymore.

people die everyday and its broadcasted and such. but we dont really hear about animals dying everyday, so we feel more emotion to that since its not an everyday thing. and most people who have pets, view them as part of the family, so its even more sad to see something like what was portrayed in the video.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"] wait if a cop dosent have a warrent to be in my home than yea he has zero right to arrest meThaneKrios28

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"] wait if a cop dosent have a warrent to be in my home than yea he has zero right to arrest meThaneKrios28

never ever ever use yahoo answers as a source.

Also, it we weren't talking about searching your house, we were talking about arresting you.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

Could have saved the dogs life, or maybe not. Guess it's always easier to shoot first.

Jolt_counter119

Then risk bodily harm? yeah. Also, why doesn't the owner receive any criticism for not properly securing his dog

Apparently "risk of bodily harm" was taken out of the job description and replaced by "if you feel any risk...unload."

I may not agree with how things were handled, but it seems it could be within the confines of the law.  also, once again, why no criticism of the owner?

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Wrong. If a cop thinks a crime is in commission they do not have to get a warrant.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="V3rciS"]

[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

obviously if it happens enough, poeple get desensitized to it. with people dying everyday, it eventually becomes a "meh situation"

and did you watch the video?

konvikt_17

so how does showing emotion for an animal make us fake?

did we see a human die in the video? no, was a dog(didnt even see him die, just writhing in pain). so obviously we are going to focus on that.

and like i said earlier, when you see/hear about the same thing over and over, eventually, your just not going to care anymore.

people die everyday and its broadcasted and such. but we dont really hear about animals dying everyday, so we feel more emotion to that since its not an everyday thing. and most people who have pets, view them as part of the family, so its even more sad to see something like what was portrayed in the video.

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Then risk bodily harm? yeah. Also, why doesn't the owner receive any criticism for not properly securing his dog

lostrib

Apparently "risk of bodily harm" was taken out of the job description and replaced by "if you feel any risk...unload."

I may not agree with how things were handled, but it seems it could be within the confines of the law.  also, once again, why no criticism of the owner?