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#1 mosdef_basic
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HOLLAND TOWNSHIP, N.J. - Three New Jersey siblings whose names have Nazi connotations have been placed in the custody of the state, police said Wednesday.

Holland Township Police Sgt. John Harris said workers from the state Division of Youth and Family Services removed 3-year-old Adolf Hitler Campbell and his younger sisters, JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell, from their home Tuesday.

Harris said family services did not tell police the reason the children were removed. Agency spokeswoman Kate Bernyk said it does not comment on specific cases.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28655143/?GT1=43001

I think this is a win for the kids but at the same time feel that this a slippery slope. Not much more info provided so the only thing I can assume is that the kids were taken because of their names which is a little scary. I mean it's pretty damaging to send your kids through life with names like Adolf hitler Cambell and Aryan Nation Cambell but the state shouldn't have the right either to take your kids away because of what you named them unless some sort of abuse other than mental anxiety is evident.

I dunno. Thoughts?

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#2 LikeHaterade
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This is absurd. That woman has the right to name her kids whatever she wants. While it may be kind of tough for the kid throughout his early years of school, he could just get his name changed later on.
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#3 duxup
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Well we don't know if the names ARE the reason, or not. What a crappy article.
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This is absurd. That woman has the right to name her kids whatever she wants. While it may be kind of tough for the kid throughout his early years of school, he could just get his name changed later on.LikeHaterade
Perhaps the people willing to name their children that have other problems that social service didn't feel inclined to comment on?
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#5 deadevil666
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As damaging as it is to go through life with names liek those...its more damaging to do it without parents. Unless those parents are pretty messed up to begin with and have ruined more than just the childrens names.
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#6 horgen  Moderator
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Why not take the parents? They are the ones who named them :|
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[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]This is absurd. That woman has the right to name her kids whatever she wants. While it may be kind of tough for the kid throughout his early years of school, he could just get his name changed later on.Jandurin
Perhaps the people willing to name their children that have other problems that social service didn't feel inclined to comment on?

I didn't read the article. So I hope so.
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#8 AnObscureName
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I remember reading the original article about the father of these children. Apparently he is a Halocaust denier who has swastikas on his walls. I doubt that the names are the only reason.
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#9 Oleg_Huzwog
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That woman has the right to name her kids whatever she wants.LikeHaterade

I strongly disagree.

But I think there were other reasons for social services' actions.

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#10 Ontain
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I heard about this family through that story about how a store wouldn't write Adolf's name on a birthday cake. I wondered then how messed up those kids would turn out to be if they stayed with those obviously nazi (or similar) parents. Legally this will be an interesting case though.
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This is so ******* stupid: The 3 year old kid has the name Adolf Hitler Woopty ******* doo! It's just a name!!

So what now, a kid can't have a name that his or her parents gave them? That is the stupidest thing that I have ever heard or read.

the part that the kids were taken away because of their names is the stupid part about it all.

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#12 forbiddenimage
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I saw this story on the news last week, it is sad for the kids.
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I strongly disagree.

Oleg_Huzwog

Why? That woman carried the child in her womb for 9 months, and gave birth. It's her child and she may name the child whatever she wants.

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I heard about this family through that story about how a store wouldn't write Adolf's name on a birthday cake. I wondered then how messed up those kids would turn out to be if they stayed with those obviously nazi (or similar) parents. Legally this will be an interesting case though.Ontain

I agree..

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#16 AnObscureName
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

I strongly disagree.

LikeHaterade

Why? That woman carried the child in her womb for 9 months, and gave birth. It's her child and she may name the child whatever she wants.

I don't think a child would really appreciate having "Aryan Nation" as a middle name.
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[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

I strongly disagree.

Why? That woman carried the child in her womb for 9 months, and gave birth. It's her child and she may name the child whatever she wants.

Even racial slurs? That said, I think Oleg is just sore about being named "oleg" Proof:

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#18 mosdef_basic
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

I strongly disagree.

LikeHaterade

Why? That woman carried the child in her womb for 9 months, and gave birth. It's her child and she may name the child whatever she wants.

Ok now you lost me... If it's just the womans kid then why do they file for child support?

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#19 Ontain
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This is so ******* stupid: The 3 year old kid has the name Adolf Hitler Woopty ******* doo! It's just a name!!

So what now, a kid can't have a name that his or her parents gave them? That is the stupidest thing that I have ever heard or read.

the part that the kids were taken away because of their names is the stupid part about it all.

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I don't think it's just the name but rather what the environment of the house hold as the kids grow up. (assuming there is no physical abuse) Is the mental well being of the kid served by letting him stay in a household that may be teaching him hate and intolerance as such a profound degree? interesting legal questions that i don't think are as clear cut as you'd like to make it seem
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Social services obviously felt that the kids are in danger so there must be other reasons than just their names. But I think that the names of the kids is reason enough to take them away. Anyone who names their children 'Adolf Hitler or 'Aryan Nation' does not deserve to have children. It was the father who named them and when he chose those names, he gave no regard to the kid's well being but only to his pathetic opportunity to express his racism.

I think it would be more mentally damaging for the kids to grow up with parents like that than growing up in a foster home or with parents who adopt them.

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#21 fbigent34
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i like to see why they are remove first...before i judge them. this is the same family i believe had this issue http://globalgrind.com/content/279786/Shop-Rite-refuses-to-give-family-Adolf-Hitler-birthday-cake/
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#22 LikeHaterade
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[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

I strongly disagree.

mosdef_basic

Why? That woman carried the child in her womb for 9 months, and gave birth. It's her child and she may name the child whatever she wants.

Ok now you lost me... If it's just the womans kid then why do they file for child support?

I was talking more along the lines of any parent and not just this particular one. Of coarse the father would have a say in it as well. I wasn't being specific enough.
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#23 fbigent34
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[QUOTE="yucky_straw"]

Social services obviously felt that the kids are in danger so there must be other reasons than just their names. But I think that the names of the kids is reason enough to take them away. Anyone who names their children 'Adolf Hitler or 'Aryan Nation' does not deserve to have children. It was the father who named them and when he chose those names, he gave no regard to the kid's well being but only to his pathetic opportunity to express his racism.

I think it would be more mentally damaging for the kids to grow up with parents like that than growing up in a foster home or with parents who adopt them.

wow you guys.... you have no right to take someone away just beacause of there name. If that was the case the state wouldn't of allowed for such names.... :|
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"] Perhaps the people willing to name their children that have other problems that social service didn't feel inclined to comment on?

Since we don't know the whole story I think this seems to be the most likely theory.
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#25 mosdef_basic
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Putting on devils advocate hat for a second...

What about a muslim family or any family for that matter naming their kid Saddam or Huessian or Osama? Should the cops roll in on them and take their kids away?

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#26 Oleg_Huzwog
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

I strongly disagree.

LikeHaterade

Why? That woman carried the child in her womb for 9 months, and gave birth. It's her child and she may name the child whatever she wants.

Really? Whatever she wants? You'd have no problem with any name no matter how outlandish?

Let's say a relative of yours has a baby and names her Donkeypoop. You wouldn't have a problem with that?

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[QUOTE="mosdef_basic"]

Putting on devils advocate hat for a second...

What about a muslim family or any family for that matter naming their kid Saddam or Huessian or Osama? Should the cops roll in on them and take their kids away?

Breaking news "us goverment has taking away obama kids" :o
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Putting on devils advocate hat for a second...

What about a muslim family or any family for that matter naming their kid Saddam or Huessian or Osama? Should the cops roll in on them and take their kids away?

mosdef_basic
I don't think calling a child Osama is quite the same as giving a child the middle name of "Aryan Nation"
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[QUOTE="Ontain"]Jandurin
Haven't seen you in awhile.

taking over most of the house work and playing warhammer have kept me busy :)
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[QUOTE="AnObscureName"][QUOTE="mosdef_basic"]

Putting on devils advocate hat for a second...

What about a muslim family or any family for that matter naming their kid Saddam or Huessian or Osama? Should the cops roll in on them and take their kids away?

I don't think calling a child Osama is quite the same as giving a child the middle name of "Aryan Nation"

It dosent matter what he did was totrue people who didn't listen or obey.
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#31 Oleg_Huzwog
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I think Oleg is just sore about being named "oleg" Proof: [QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

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Hey, the Purple Union! I've forgotten all about that thing.

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[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

I strongly disagree.

Oleg_Huzwog

Why? That woman carried the child in her womb for 9 months, and gave birth. It's her child and she may name the child whatever she wants.

Really? Whatever she wants? You'd have no problem with any name no matter how outlandish?

Let's say a relative of yours has a baby and names her Donkeypoop. You wouldn't have a problem with that?

One thing is having a problem with it, but are there any laws stating that you can't name your baby Donkeypoop?
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Hey, the Purple Union! I've forgotten all about that thing.

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:P First result when I looked up oleg huzwog on google.
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#34 Oleg_Huzwog
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One thing is having a problem with it, but are there any laws stating that you can't name your baby Donkeypoop?horgen123

Nope, but there are all sorts of laws against the willful impedance of a child's development.

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#35 LikeHaterade
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[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

I strongly disagree.

Oleg_Huzwog

Why? That woman carried the child in her womb for 9 months, and gave birth. It's her child and she may name the child whatever she wants.

Really? Whatever she wants? You'd have no problem with any name no matter how outlandish?

Let's say a relative of yours has a baby and names her Donkeypoop. You wouldn't have a problem with that?

It wouldn't matter. It is not my child. However, any parent foolish enough to name their kid that shouldn't be a parent.(Even though it does have kind of a nice ring to it) Nevertheless, I wouldn't even call the kid by his real name. He can change it himself when he gets older anyways. My parents almost named me Xavier. How sweet would that have been huh?

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#36 Ontain
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Putting on devils advocate hat for a second...

What about a muslim family or any family for that matter naming their kid Saddam or Huessian or Osama? Should the cops roll in on them and take their kids away?

mosdef_basic
I'd say we have to look at the context of it. if parents named their child Osama after Osama Bin Laden and also teach the child that it's okay to kill innocent American citizens and fight in a holy war against us then yes i think they should be removed from that environment. I don't know how things would play out legally.
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Not much more info provided so the only thing I can assume is that the kids were taken because of their names which is a little scary. I mean it's pretty damaging to send your kids through life with names like Adolf hitler Cambell and Aryan Nation Cambell but the state shouldn't have the right either to take your kids away because of what you named them unless some sort of abuse other than mental anxiety is evident.mosdef_basic
I wouldn't assume anything yet. The names are an interesting aspect of the story but may not be connected to the kids' removal at all.
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My parents almost named me Xavier. How sweet would that have been huh?LikeHaterade
My parents almost named me Agustus. Glad they changed their mind >_>
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The names are an interesting aspect of the story but may not be connected to the kids' removal at all. Elraptor
I have a feeling that the parents getting investigated was directly related to the names they chose. I could be wrong, but I assume it.
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He can change it himself when he gets older anyways.LikeHaterade

That's no justification, as the damage would've already been done long before poor little Donkeypoop is legally permitted to undergo a name change.

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I already said in the thread some time back regarding a store refusing to put the name Adolf Hitler on a birthday cake that these parents probably have plenty of other problems and I hope those kids are taken out of their custody. To assume that it is just because of the name thing is naive, although that is the only reason this is a news story, and it might be what brought attention to them in the first place. For the kids, getting such ridiculous names might have been a blessing in disguise.
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[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]He can change it himself when he gets older anyways.Oleg_Huzwog

That's no justification, as the damage would've already been done long before poor little Donkeypoop is legally permitted to undergo a name change.

Classroom speaker: "Donkeypoop, we need to see you in the office immediately." Class starts laughing and doesn't stop for days. The name alone is a disturbance! He would be kicked out of school!
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[QUOTE="Elraptor"]The names are an interesting aspect of the story but may not be connected to the kids' removal at all. Jandurin
I have a feeling that the parents getting investigated was directly related to the names they chose. I could be wrong, but I assume it.

That could be the case. Maybe someone reported them because the names drew their attention, and the agency ended up finding a more serious problem. My point, however, is that we don't have enough facts to make any assumptions yet.
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Way too little info here, names shouldn't be the only reason you take away a child... either the Family Services made a serious mistake here or there's more to the story than meets the eye.
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I have a hard time believing that the children's names are the only reason why they are being taken away. The parents seem to be quite "awkward."
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Way too little info here, names shouldn't be the only reason you take away a child... either the Family Services made a serious mistake here or there's more to the story than meets the eye.Hungry_bunny
You don't think that some names might be incorrect? We should have government issued names!
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Do you people honestly believe that someone who names their kids like this is an even remotely stable individual? I'm going to go and be extra judgmental and say that I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if there was child abuse going on in that house. I'd put a pretty high likelihood on substance abuse (even if it's "only" alcohol) as well.

I just think it's funny that so many people here jumped to the conclusion that they were only removed because of their names. I'm quite certain those parents have plenty of other issues. People like that always do. The names are probably the only reason this is a news story though, of course.

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Why didnt they take the kids when they were born and named if its about their names. Thats strange, but I remember reading about a kid born in switzerland or somewhere like that and the parents wanted to name it 11 but the gov said it had to be a real name so they changed it to superman.
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#50 SpaceMoose
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Why didnt they take the kids when they were born and named if its about their names. Thats strange, but I remember reading about a kid born in switzerland or somewhere like that and the parents wanted to name it 11 but the gov said it had to be a real name so they changed it to superman.thirteen_zombie
Again, why is everyone assuming that's why they were taken away, just because that's the reason it's a news story?