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#51 helium_flash
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I agree with the TC. You should never take the kids away from their parents unless there is some sort of abuse or neglect going on. The kids will definitely be screwed up now.
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#52 HybridPhoenix
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[QUOTE="mosdef_basic"]

HOLLAND TOWNSHIP, N.J. - Three New Jersey siblings whose names have Nazi connotations have been placed in the custody of the state, police said Wednesday.

Holland Township Police Sgt. John Harris said workers from the state Division of Youth and Family Services removed 3-year-old Adolf Hitler Campbell and his younger sisters, JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell, from their home Tuesday.

Harris said family services did not tell police the reason the children were removed. Agency spokeswoman Kate Bernyk said it does not comment on specific cases.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28655143/?GT1=43001

I think this is a win for the kids but at the same time feel that this a slippery slope. Not much more info provided so the only thing I can assume is that the kids were taken because of their names which is a little scary. I mean it's pretty damaging to send your kids through life with names like Adolf hitler Cambell and Aryan Nation Cambell but the state shouldn't have the right either to take your kids away because of what you named them unless some sort of abuse other than mental anxiety is evident.

I dunno. Thoughts?

the original story was posted a while ago...this is quite sad
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#53 Zingo2u
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Why not take the parents? They are the ones who named them :|horgen123

Very good question, I think that work sbetter

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#54 thirteen_zombie
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he's got the right idea, I tell ya what. I want to change my name to something sweet like that.
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#55 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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I agree with the TC. You should never take the kids away from their parents unless there is some sort of abuse or neglect going on. The kids will definitely be screwed up now.helium_flash
Kids that grow up without biological parents are automatically screwed up? News to me >_>
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[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]Way too little info here, names shouldn't be the only reason you take away a child... either the Family Services made a serious mistake here or there's more to the story than meets the eye.Jandurin
You don't think that some names might be incorrect? We should have government issued names!

I really don't like those names, but changing/removing parts of their names would have been a better action. Removing children from their parents can do more damage than leaving them in happy homes where parents think it's a good idea to name their child Adolf Hitler...

...and I'm not exactly fond of nazis and racists either ...but if Family Services are allowed to remove children from homes like that, then what'll stop them from removing children from homes that have other ideals or religions that they're not fond off... it's kind of a matter of principle.

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#57 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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[QUOTE="horgen123"]Why not take the parents? They are the ones who named them :|Zingo2u

Very good question, I think that work sbetter

Very smart idea. Take the parents away, leave the kids alone to fend for themselves :?
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]Way too little info here, names shouldn't be the only reason you take away a child... either the Family Services made a serious mistake here or there's more to the story than meets the eye.Hungry_bunny

You don't think that some names might be incorrect? We should have government issued names!

I really don't like those names, but changing/removing parts of their names would have been a better action. Removing children from their parents can do more damage than leaving them in happy homes where parents think it's a good idea to name their child Adolf Hitler...

...and I'm not exactly fond of nazis and racists either ...but if Family Services are allowed to remove children from homes like that, then what'll stop them from removing children from homes that have other ideals or religions that they're not fond off... it's kind of a matter of principle.

I get where you're coming from, I just am working under the assumption that there's more to this story than we know.
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#59 FalcoLX
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The parents denied the existence of the holocaust. They obviously have other social or mental problems that social service's saw fit to remove the children.
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Why didnt they take the kids when they were born and named if its about their names. Thats strange, but I remember reading about a kid born in switzerland or somewhere like that and the parents wanted to name it 11 but the gov said it had to be a real name so they changed it to superman.thirteen_zombie

^^^That is awesome! :lol:

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[QUOTE="thirteen_zombie"]Why didnt they take the kids when they were born and named if its about their names. Thats strange, but I remember reading about a kid born in switzerland or somewhere like that and the parents wanted to name it 11 but the gov said it had to be a real name so they changed it to superman.mosdef_basic

^^^That is awesome! :lol:

What about 4real? They wouldn't accept the name because it had numbers in it.
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From the sounds of things, the name were probably just a symptom of the problem than the problem itself. For a parent to name their kid "Adolf Hitler and "Aryan Nation" and see nothing wrong with that, you gotta wonder what else they don't see a problem with.
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#63 T_P_O
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I lol'd, but it's no big deal. Adolf is a common name, so I imagine is hitler in germany.
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I really don't like those names, but changing/removing parts of their names would have been a better action. Removing children from their parents can do more damage than leaving them in happy homes where parents think it's a good idea to name their child Adolf Hitler...

...and I'm not exactly fond of nazis and racists either ...but if Family Services are allowed to remove children from homes like that, then what'll stop them from removing children from homes that have other ideals or religions that they're not fond off... it's kind of a matter of principle.

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What do you place the likelihood of someone who names their kids like this being competent parents at? I've said it twice now, but I don't understand why everyone is inferring from their names being the reason that this is news that their names are also the reason they are being removed. Maybe the birthday cake story is what brought attention to them in the first place, but that's not the same thing as being the basis of their removal. Naming one's kids Adolf Hit|er, Hinler, and Aryan Nation doesn't exactly scream, "I'm psychologically competent to have chilrden." That's pretty insane even for white supremacists. It's too bad it isn't always that obvious, really.
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#65 SpaceMoose
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I lol'd, but it's no big deal. Adolf is a common name, so I imagine is hitler in germany.T_P_O
Is Aryan Nation a common name?
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wow thats ridiculous
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#67 SpaceMoose
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From the sounds of things, the name were probably just a symptom of the problem than the problem itself. For a parent to name their kid "Adolf Hitler and "Aryan Nation" and see nothing wrong with that, you gotta wonder what else they don't see a problem with.GabuEx
GabuEx, you always seem to think damn near exactly the way I do. It's kind of freaky. o.O
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#68 blazinpuertoroc
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[QUOTE="mosdef_basic"]

[QUOTE="thirteen_zombie"]Why didnt they take the kids when they were born and named if its about their names. Thats strange, but I remember reading about a kid born in switzerland or somewhere like that and the parents wanted to name it 11 but the gov said it had to be a real name so they changed it to superman.FalcoLX

^^^That is awesome! :lol:

What about 4real? They wouldn't accept the name because it had numbers in it.

That was the kid...It was australia and they wanted to name there kid 4real. They couldnt so they decided on Superman
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"]I lol'd, but it's no big deal. Adolf is a common name, so I imagine is hitler in germany.SpaceMoose
Is Aryan Nation a common name?

no, but it's hilarious
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]From the sounds of things, the name were probably just a symptom of the problem than the problem itself. For a parent to name their kid "Adolf Hitler and "Aryan Nation" and see nothing wrong with that, you gotta wonder what else they don't see a problem with.SpaceMoose
GabuEx, you always seem to think damn near exactly the way I do. It's kind of freaky. o.O

What's freaky is that people don't automatically come to the logical conclusion, I'd say.
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[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"][QUOTE="T_P_O"]I lol'd, but it's no big deal. Adolf is a common name, so I imagine is hitler in germany.T_P_O
Is Aryan Nation a common name?

no, but it's hilarious

Well, some people though Carrot Top was funny too, I guess.
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I lol'd, but it's no big deal. Adolf is a common name, so I imagine is hitler in germany.T_P_O

But this was in New Jersey.

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#73 SpaceMoose
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[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]From the sounds of things, the name were probably just a symptom of the problem than the problem itself. For a parent to name their kid "Adolf Hitler and "Aryan Nation" and see nothing wrong with that, you gotta wonder what else they don't see a problem with.Jandurin
GabuEx, you always seem to think damn near exactly the way I do. It's kind of freaky. o.O

What's freaky is that people don't automatically come to the logical conclusion, I'd say.

Also true.

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[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]I really don't like those names, but changing/removing parts of their names would have been a better action. Removing children from their parents can do more damage than leaving them in happy homes where parents think it's a good idea to name their child Adolf Hitler...

...and I'm not exactly fond of nazis and racists either ...but if Family Services are allowed to remove children from homes like that, then what'll stop them from removing children from homes that have other ideals or religions that they're not fond off... it's kind of a matter of principle.

SpaceMoose
What do you place the likelihood of someone who names their kids like this being competent parents at? I've said it twice now, but I don't understand why everyone is inferring from their names being the reason that this is news that their names are also the reason they are being removed. Maybe the birthday cake story is what brought attention to them in the first place, but that's not the same thing as being the basis of their removal. Naming one's kids Adolf Hit|er, Hinler, and Aryan Nation doesn't exactly scream, "I'm psychologically competent to have chilrden." That's pretty insane even for white supremacists. It's too bad it isn't always that obvious, really.

That's why I wrote (in my earlier post) that there's probably more to the story than meets the eye. But I don't think that you should make too many assumptions based on these names alone. At least you shouldn't act on them. If they interviewed the children and learned some horrifying things or if they found something in the house then I wouldn't debate this at all, it's just too bad that we're given so little info about it.
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"]I lol'd, but it's no big deal. Adolf is a common name, so I imagine is hitler in germany.mosdef_basic

But this was in New Jersey.

Point? Was New Jersey somehow ruled or ever really threatened by the Nazi party? Also, aren't you allowed to name children freely, or was that scrapped about the time freedom of speech ended?
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[QUOTE="helium_flash"]I agree with the TC. You should never take the kids away from their parents unless there is some sort of abuse or neglect going on. The kids will definitely be screwed up now.Jandurin
Kids that grow up without biological parents are automatically screwed up? News to me >_>

Depending on how old they are when taken away, they will probably be screwed up. The foster system really screws up some kids.
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#77 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="helium_flash"]I agree with the TC. You should never take the kids away from their parents unless there is some sort of abuse or neglect going on. The kids will definitely be screwed up now.helium_flash
Kids that grow up without biological parents are automatically screwed up? News to me >_>

Depending on how old they are when taken away, they will probably be screwed up. The foster system really screws up some kids.

Some kids. Plenty of screwed up people come from normal families, so blaming the foster system alone is silly.
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[QUOTE="mosdef_basic"]

[QUOTE="T_P_O"]I lol'd, but it's no big deal. Adolf is a common name, so I imagine is hitler in germany.T_P_O

But this was in New Jersey.

Point? Was New Jersey somehow ruled or ever really threatened by the Nazi party? Also, aren't you allowed to name children freely, or was that scrapped about the time freedom of speech ended?

Point was that although a common name in Germany not a common name in the states.

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I remember a couple months ago when there was a thread about these children being named (they were the same exact ones in the arcticle). Im not very surprised this happened.
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#80 GabuEx
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But I don't think that you should make too many assumptions based on these names alone. At least you shouldn't act on them. If they interviewed the children and learned some horrifying things or if they found something in the house then I wouldn't debate this at all, it's just too bad that we're given so little info about it.Hungry_bunny

Well given that they've refused to comment on the specifics of the case, it seems like a reasonable assumption that there is more that we aren't being told about. I can't imagine that no one pushed back on the idea of naming your kid Adolf Hitler which would mean to me that they probably insisted upon it.

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#81 Ontain
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[QUOTE="mosdef_basic"]

[QUOTE="T_P_O"]I lol'd, but it's no big deal. Adolf is a common name, so I imagine is hitler in germany.T_P_O

But this was in New Jersey.

Point? Was New Jersey somehow ruled or ever really threatened by the Nazi party? Also, aren't you allowed to name children freely, or was that scrapped about the time freedom of speech ended?

freedom of speech doesn't cover any type of speech. just like you can't scream "fire" in a crowded area when there is no fire. also some types of hate speech are also not permitted. for example ones that would lead others to perform acts of violence. they didn't just name the kid Adolf. they named him Adolf Hitler after the man responsible for killing millions. and the only kids Aryan Nation. it's clear they are making political statements not because the sounds like a good name :P now it's unclear if this is the extent of what they are doing. so we'll have to see.
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Some people take names way to seriously as though they affect a person's character. We all saw what happened when everyone found out Obama's middle name was Hussein. (Actually some people just hate his entire name... but not the point). People immediately though evil dictator. What do you think people would think seeing a kid named not only Adolf or Hitler but the whole damn thing? If it is legal to take the kids away I'm not sure, but those parents definitely don't deserve to have kids.
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Some people take names way to seriously as though they affect a person's character. We all saw what happened when everyone found out Obama's middle name was Hussein. (Actually some people just hate his entire name... but not the point). People immediately though evil dictator.DeathHeart95
dude got elected President... obviously we got over it.
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Wow something happend that got posted in OT that is with in about an hour of where I live :o I remember reading about the faimly and the names a month or so ago in the paper. If anything I think the father needs to have him self checked out and I say that b/c from what I read he sounds like a real nut case
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The family was probably raising the kids to become racists, so I would say that taking them away is probably the best thing to do.
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#86 shoeman12
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the names may be bad but the state doesn't have the right to take them for that, if that is the reason.
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#87 shoeman12
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The family was probably raising the kids to become racists, so I would say that taking them away is probably the best thing to do.Bloodbath_87
although it's wrong to raise kids like that, they shouldn't lose their kids for raising them to think that way. although we think it's wrong, you can't say it's the best thing to do, to take them away because of that, that's freedom of speech. should the government take away the kids of all racists?
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[QUOTE="Ontain"] freedom of speech doesn't cover any type of speech. just like you can't scream "fire" in a crowded area when there is no fire. also some types of hate speech are also not permitted. for example ones that would lead others to perform acts of violence. they didn't just name the kid Adolf. they named him Adolf Hitler after the man responsible for killing millions. and the only kids Aryan Nation. it's clear they are making political statements not because the sounds like a good name :P now it's unclear if this is the extent of what they are doing. so we'll have to see.

You're going to have a hard time proving that naming a child Adolf Hitler represents a clear and present danger.
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[QUOTE="mosdef_basic"]

Putting on devils advocate hat for a second...

What about a muslim family or any family for that matter naming their kid Saddam or Huessian or Osama? Should the cops roll in on them and take their kids away?

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I'd say we have to look at the context of it. if parents named their child Osama after Osama Bin Laden and also teach the child that it's okay to kill innocent American citizens and fight in a holy war against us then yes i think they should be removed from that environment. I don't know how things would play out legally.



What they're doing is not fighting a holy war. That war has a lot of rules that must be strictly followed in order to avoid innocent casualties.
What they're doing is simply terrorism.
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Are these the same people who were having problems with custom cakes?
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#91 aliblabla2007
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Pretty disturbing family, but I don't think taking custody was an appropiate response to the naming. But I'm certain that there are other factors behind the whole thing.
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What they're doing is not fighting a holy war. That war has a lot of rules that must be strictly followed in order to avoid innocent casualties.What they're doing is simply terrorism.mastersword007
They're fighting a hegemonic power. They kind of have to resort to asymmetrical warfare. I mean, the acts of Bin Laden were instigated by US intervention with the Mouhajadeen and other middle eastern conflicts.Not saying what they did was right, and not saying we should go off on a tangent, but it is a war;
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#93 k_smoove
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I remember hearing about the kids before. I think it serves the parents right for being such idiots. If they name their children such names, just imagine how badly they must treat them!
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[QUOTE="mastersword007"]What they're doing is not fighting a holy war. That war has a lot of rules that must be strictly followed in order to avoid innocent casualties.What they're doing is simply terrorism.Vandalvideo
They're fighting a hegemonic power. They kind of have to resort to asymmetrical warfare. I mean, the acts of Bin Laden were instigated by US intervention with the Mouhajadeen and other middle eastern conflicts.Not saying what they did was right, and not saying we should go off on a tangent, but it is a war;



I'm sorry, but I did not see the connection between your post and mine.
Perhaps it's because English is my third language (or there might not be a connection at all :P)
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#95 Vandalvideo
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I'm sorry, but I did not see the connection between your post and mine.Perhaps it's because English is my third language (or there might not be a connection at all :P) mastersword007
asymetrischer Krieg, guerra asimmetrica, asymmetrische oorlog, guerre asymetrique. However you say it, asymmetrical warfare is still war.
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#96 Jacobistheman
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Well we don't know if the names ARE the reason, or not. What a crappy article.duxup
True.
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#97 mastersword007
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[QUOTE="mastersword007"]I'm sorry, but I did not see the connection between your post and mine.Perhaps it's because English is my third language (or there might not be a connection at all :P) Vandalvideo
asymetrischer Krieg, guerra asimmetrica, asymmetrische oorlog, guerre asymetrique. However you say it, asymmetrical warfare is still war.



...Uhm...ok.
I just said it's not a holy war (Should actually call it Jihad) they're fighting.
I never said it's not a war they're fighting.
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#98 Bourbons3
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Why don't the parents ever change their names to something awful? Why take your psychotic beliefs out on your children?
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#99 Saturos3091
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Well we don't know if the names ARE the reason, or not. What a crappy article.duxup
Indeed. Let down. :(
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#100 Setsa
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I remember hearing about the kids before. I think it serves the parents right for being such idiots. If they name their children such names, just imagine how badly they must treat them!k_smoove
Whoa, wait, hold the phone! I thought that people had the right to express their beliefs and not be branded and mocked due to personal beliefs, when did this change? I mean, if the parents really believe all that, who are we to say they can't name their kids that? I also find it odd that you automatically branded them as bad parents when all they did was name their children after people they see as admirable. Jeez, talk about close minded :roll: /sarcastic liberal rant