Pirating Music (right or wrong)

[QUOTE="bradleybhoy"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"]What if I pay the fee and the music is BS?

Try before you consider buying.

Ring_of_fire

I agree, but if I find it crap and never listen to it why should I part with my money?

because whether you like it the music or not, it's still a product that the artist created, and thus, deserves to be paid.

lol no thanks

Simple solution. Make the disc a frisbee. Places like Amazon.com have music samplers, even if it's just 30 seconds. It's the risk you take buying a CD that you wiill buy a CD you don't like. Doesn't give you any liscence to steal it

Not but I can, and if I really enjoy the album I'll buy it. If not then no-one loses anyway.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]Of course it's wrong. The argument of "they make millions anyways" is complete bullcrap. It doesn't change the fact you took something without paying for it.markop2003

but what if you wouldn't buy it if you couldn't get it for free? Then it's not hurting anyone

The "wouldn't have purchased it anyways" argument doesn't change the fact you took something without paying for it, either.

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"]What if I pay the fee and the music is BS?

Try before you consider buying.

bradleybhoy

I agree, but if I find it crap and never listen to it why should I part with my money?

because whether you like it the music or not, it's still a product that the artist created, and thus, deserves to be paid.

lol no thanks

Simple solution. Make the disc a frisbee. Places like Amazon.com have music samplers, even if it's just 30 seconds. It's the risk you take buying a CD that you wiill buy a CD you don't like. Doesn't give you any liscence to steal it

Not, but I can, and if I really enjoy the album, I'll buy it. If not then no-one loses.

That doesn't give you any permission to steal the music, as it's illegal. You still stole it even if you buy the album afterwards.

Just because you "Can" doesn't make it legal or right

True artists should be happy that so many people (who can't afford to pay for so much music) are listening to their music regardless of how they aquired it. It's not wrong. tccavey2

Very good point.

Independent artists let people (through sites like Jamendo) download their whole albums for absolutely nothing as they don't care about making a huge amount of cash and only make music because it's something they love. I believe THAT makes a good artist. Someone who doesn't care about profits.

File sharing sites are great for people like me who simply can't afford to buy every single album they want. I occasionally buy an album that I would rather own on disc but the majority of music I download for nothing. People who say it's wrong and stealing clearly don't have to worry about the cost of albums.

Edit: If everything we did had to be "right" and legal then the world would be an extremely boring place. Even more so than it is now.

[QUOTE="bradleybhoy"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]

Simple solution. Make the disc a frisbee. Places like Amazon.com have music samplers, even if it's just 30 seconds. It's the risk you take buying a CD that you wiill buy a CD you don't like. Doesn't give you any liscence to steal it

Ring_of_fire

No, but I can, and if I really enjoy the album, I'll buy it. If not then no-one loses.

That doesn't give you any permission to steal the music, as it's illegal. You still stole it even if you buy the album afterwards.

Just because you "Can" doesn't make it legal or right

It doesn't make it legal, however you can't say it doesn't make it right. Like I said I'll purchase an album if I really enjoy it and believe it to be worth the money. Most of the artists whose music I download are deceased anyway, and if they were alive the label would see most of that money, if not all of it.

Besides a few albums I couldn't get a hold of online I had to buy, the store had a "if you think it sucks bring it back" policy. Perfectly legal, which perhaps also shows my principle isn't so immoral after all.

[QUOTE="tccavey2"]True artists should be happy that so many people (who can't afford to pay for so much music) are listening to their music regardless of how they aquired it. It's not wrong. ColdRush88

Very good point.

Independent artists let people (through sites like Jamendo) download their whole albums for absolutely nothing as they don't care about making a huge amount of cash and only make music because it's something they love. I believe THAT makes a good artist. Someone who doesn't care about profits.

File sharing sites are great for people like me who simply can't afford to buy every single album they want. I occasionally buy an album that I would rather own on disc but the majority of music I download for nothing. People who say it's wrong and stealing clearly don't have to worry about the cost of albums.

or simply don't think stealing is a right thingto do

I guess its wrong, because your essentially stealing it.

But really, artists should make music because it makes the listeners happy, not cause it makes them millionares.

The killers, (a band), said they dont really care how you get their music, pirate it, download it, as long as you enjoy it, and listen to it.

File sharing sites are great for people like me who simply can't afford to buy every single album they want. I occasionally buy an album that I would rather own on disc but the majority of music I download for nothing. People who say it's wrong and stealing clearly don't have to worry about the cost of albums.

ColdRush88

Nonsense. You cannot take your inability to stick to a budget and turn it into a means of rationalizing theft of a luxury item. You have no inherent right to the music.

I agree, but if I find it crap and never listen to it why should I part with my money?bradleybhoy

[QUOTE="bradleybhoy"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]

Simple solution. Make the disc a frisbee. Places like Amazon.com have music samplers, even if it's just 30 seconds. It's the risk you take buying a CD that you wiill buy a CD you don't like. Doesn't give you any liscence to steal it

Ring_of_fire

No, but I can, and if I really enjoy the album, I'll buy it. If not then no-one loses.

That doesn't give you any permission to steal the music, as it's illegal. You still stole it even if you buy the album afterwards.

Just because you "Can" doesn't make it legal or right

It doesn't make it legal, however you can't say it doesn't make it right. Like I said I'll purchase an album if I really enjoy it and believe it to be worth the money. Most of the artists whose music I download are deceased anyway, and if they were alive the label would see most of that money, if not all of it.

Besides a few albums I couldn't get a hold of online I had to buy, the store had a "if you think it sucks bring it back" policy. Perfectly legal and perhaps also shows my principle isn't so categorically immoral after all.

[QUOTE="ColdRush88"]File sharing sites are great for people like me who simply can't afford to buy every single album they want. I occasionally buy an album that I would rather own on disc but the majority of music I download for nothing. People who say it's wrong and stealing clearly don't have to worry about the cost of albums.

Oleg_Huzwog

Nonsense. You cannot take your inability to stick to a budget and turn it into a means of rationalizing theft of a luxury item. You have no inherent right to the music.

So even though I have a limited budget (being unemployed) I have to go out and buy every single album I want just to please people like you?

This just make me want to download even more music! Btw, your making it sound like I'm killing someone every time I download something. I'm not hurting a single person. The artists still get to make their music and the labels (and artists) sill get to make ridiculous amounts of money. Also, (now this is being a bit daft) I don't get paid for listening and devoting time to artists music so why should I pay them?

So even though I have a limited budget (being unemployed) I have to go out and buy every single album I want just to please people like you?

This just make me want to download even more music! Btw, your making it sound like I'm killing someone every time I download something. I'm not hurting a single person. The artists still get to make their music and the labels (and artists) sill get to make ridiculous amounts of money. Also, (now this is being a bit daft) I don't get paid for listening and devoting time to artists music so why should I pay them?

ColdRush88

So even though I have a limited budget (being unemployed) I have to go out and buy every single album I want just to please people like you?

ColdRush88

No, you just have to recognize that you can't have everything you want. It's one of those little life lessons they teach you in kindergarten.

No one should own the right to intellectual property, or to ideas which are present in good music.

Pirating music isn't depriving artists of vast amounts of income, either. It's hard for me to feel sorry for Britney Spears because she made only $90000000 this month instead of $100000000.

If you really want to support an artist, go to their website and buy a shirt, or go to a concert. More of that money goes directly to an artist than the nominal profits of a CD ever would.

[QUOTE="markop2003"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]Of course it's wrong. The argument of "they make millions anyways" is complete bullcrap. It doesn't change the fact you took something without paying for it.Oleg_Huzwog

but what if you wouldn't buy it if you couldn't get it for free? Then it's not hurting anyone

The "wouldn't have purchased it anyways" argument doesn't change the fact you took something without paying for it, either.

so even though no one looses out it's still wrong??? They might even gain from it if someone listens to their music for free then goes to one of their concerts.

[QUOTE="ColdRush88"]So even though I have a limited budget (being unemployed) I have to go out and buy every single album I want just to please people like you?

This just make me want to download even more music! Btw, your making it sound like I'm killing someone every time I download something. I'm not hurting a single person. The artists still get to make their music and the labels (and artists) sill get to make ridiculous amounts of money. Also, (now this is being a bit daft) I don't get paid for listening and devoting time to artists music so why should I pay them?

foxhound_fox

Ahh there's that stereotype again...

You don't think I've tried? I've applied for dozens and dozens of jobs and never even had an interview. That my fault? no.

Btw I'm currently doing a work placement. Know what that is? 13 weeks of full time work for no wage. Just my jobseekers allowance every 2 weeks.

Ahh there's that stereotype again...

You don't think I've tried? I've applied for dozens and dozens of jobs and never even had an interview. That my fault? no.

Btw I'm currently doing a work placement. Know what that is? 13 weeks of full time work for no wage. Just my jobseekers allowance every 2 weeks.

ColdRush88

so even though no one looses out it's still wrong??? They might even gain from it if someone listens to their music for free then goes to one of their concerts. markop2003

Taking something that you don't need without paying for it is wrong. Plain and simple.

Yes, they might stand to gain something by it... but that's not your decision to make. It's theirs and theirs alone. If they're failing to capitalize upon a potential revenue boost, that's their own dumb fault. It does not negate the wrongness of your actions.

[QUOTE="markop2003"]so even though no one looses out it's still wrong??? They might even gain from it if someone listens to their music for free then goes to one of their concerts. Oleg_Huzwog

Taking something that you don't need without paying for it is wrong. Plain and simple.

Yes, they might stand to gain something by it... but that's not your decision to make. It's theirs and theirs alone. If they're failing to capitalize upon a potential revenue boost, that's their own dumb fault. It does not negate the wrongness of your actions.

If your going to honestly say that you never took anything that you don't need for free then I don't believe you.

Is pirating music right or wrong?

I say it's right, but it's hard for my Conscience to stop me when I'm firing up limewire.

Aradae2357

Yeh same here. I simply can't afford music and with most bands I like one or two songs which doesn't make buying the CD worth it. And my mum is some nut job that thinks we're gonna get robbed if I give out my details on the internet so I can't get an iTunes account either :|

If your going to honestly say that you never took anything that you don't need for free then I don't believe you. ColdRush88

Did I ever make such a claim?

Is listening to the radio for free wrong?GTA_dude

That's a horrible comparison, because the radio stations pay the artists/label money so they can play the music

Is listening to the radio for free wrong?GTA_dude

Of course not... but please don't tell me you consider downloading music an equivalent to radio.

[QUOTE="GTA_dude"]Is listening to the radio for free wrong?Ring_of_fire

That's a horrible comparison, because the radio stations pay the artists/label money so they can play the music

Which is exactly what we do when we go see bands in concert/gigs, buy their merchandise, buy their singles and their albums. The large majority of people do all that yet people still download music for free. If it's illegal then I consider it a victimless crime. No one is losing out as the music industry has not and will not suffer in the slightest. It's not like I'm forcing my way into someones house at night and stealing their TV.

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]

[QUOTE="GTA_dude"]Is listening to the radio for free wrong?ColdRush88

That's a horrible comparison, because the radio stations pay the artists/label money so they can play the music

Which is exactly what we do when we go see bands in concert/gigs, buy their merchandise, buy their singles and their albums. The large majority of people do all that yet people still download music for free. If it's illegal then I consider it a victimless crime. No one is losing out as the music industry has not and will not suffer in the slightest. It's not like I'm forcing my way into someones house at night and stealing their TV.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="ColdRush88"]File sharing sites are great for people like me who simply can't afford to buy every single album they want. I occasionally buy an album that I would rather own on disc but the majority of music I download for nothing. People who say it's wrong and stealing clearly don't have to worry about the cost of albums.

ColdRush88

Nonsense. You cannot take your inability to stick to a budget and turn it into a means of rationalizing theft of a luxury item. You have no inherent right to the music.

So even though I have a limited budget (being unemployed) I have to go out and buy every single album I want just to please people like you?

This just make me want to download even more music! Btw, your making it sound like I'm killing someone every time I download something. I'm not hurting a single person. The artists still get to make their music and the labels (and artists) sill get to make ridiculous amounts of money. Also, (now this is being a bit daft) I don't get paid for listening and devoting time to artists music so why should I pay them?

the way youre justifying it makes you seem child like

instead say that you support the artist and the future of music, not the label.

Have we really come to a point where we are debating whetherstealing is right or wrong? :| xSIZEMATTER

[QUOTE="xSIZEMATTER"]Have we really come to a point where we are debating whetherstealing is right or wrong? :| LJS9502_basic

Well I hate to burst your bubble but the world isn't all rainbows, sunshine, lollipos and dancing pixies. Some people couldn't care less about the laws and do things they want. If I want to download something for free then I'll do it. I never think about "paying the artist back" because me downloading their album once is not going to make an ounce of difference to anybody.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="xSIZEMATTER"]Have we really come to a point where we are debating whetherstealing is right or wrong? :| ColdRush88

Well I hate to burst your bubble but the world isn't all rainbows, sunshine, lollipos and dancing pixies. Some people couldn't care less about the laws and do things they want. If I want to download something for free then I'll do it. I never think about "paying the artist back" because me downloading their album once is not going to make an ounce of difference to anybody.

Well I hate to burst your bubble but the world isn't all rainbows, sunshine, lollipos and dancing pixies. Some people couldn't care less about the laws and do things they want. If I want to download something for free then I'll do it. I never think about "paying the artist back" because me downloading their album once is not going to make an ounce of difference to anybody.

ColdRush88

Fine, go ahead. Nobody here will stop you. Just don't try to justify your actions by saying they aren't wrong.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="xSIZEMATTER"]Have we really come to a point where we are debating whetherstealing is right or wrong? :| ColdRush88

Well I hate to burst your bubble but the world isn't all rainbows, sunshine, lollipos and dancing pixies. Some people couldn't care less about the laws and do things they want. If I want to download something for free then I'll do it. I never think about "paying the artist back" because me downloading their album once is not going to make an ounce of difference to anybody.

yeah but if more people think like you then its doomsday. however, luckily its for the labels and not music.

But, you're being pretty blind to what everyone is trying to explain to you.

I download most music to test it out, if I know the money goes to the artist (EX: Ghosts by NIN) Ill pay for it. And I did.

a lot of cds are priced at 20 dollars, which is the same as a dvd. something isnt right. If cds were priced at 5-7 dollars new then id be buying tons.

[QUOTE="ColdRush88"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="xSIZEMATTER"]Have we really come to a point where we are debating whetherstealing is right or wrong? :| H8sMikeMoore

Well I hate to burst your bubble but the world isn't all rainbows, sunshine, lollipos and dancing pixies. Some people couldn't care less about the laws and do things they want. If I want to download something for free then I'll do it. I never think about "paying the artist back" because me downloading their album once is not going to make an ounce of difference to anybody.

yeah but if more people think like you then its doomsday. however, luckily its for the labels and not music.

But, you're being pretty blind to what everyone is trying to explain to you.

I download most music to test it out, if I know the money goes to the artist (EX: Ghosts by NIN) Ill pay for it. And I did.

a lot of cds are priced at 20 dollars, which is the same as a dvd. something isnt right. If cds were priced at 5-7 dollars new then id be buying tons.

Well I was under the assumption that evryone was trying to tell me not to download music. Even though I'm going to.

And more people DO think like me. Millions of people everyday download stuff from file sharing sites. yet when was the last time you heard a musician or label complain about them?

Some people couldn't care less about the laws and do things they want.

ColdRush88

Yeah there's a place for people like that...

This wouldn't even be an issue if the record industry offered music at a reasonable price.-Austin-

And who is to decide what is reasonable?

This wouldn't even be an issue if the record industry offered music at a reasonable price.-Austin-

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]This wouldn't even be an issue if the record industry offered music at a reasonable price.Godly_Cure

No, the issue is the majority of people download and don't pay for music. If the prices weren't so inflated "illegal downloading" would not have taken off like it has.

[QUOTE="xSIZEMATTER"]Have we really come to a point where we are debating whetherstealing is right or wrong? :| LJS9502_basic

If I download an album and enjoy it, I'll buy it. If I don't like an album, I'll delete it. OMG it's as if it never happened!

So really I'm not stealing, the property isn't even physical, I'm not depriving anyone of anything by downloading it and then deleting it because I don't like it. I cannot possibly see how it can be wrong or not okay.