Poland approves forcible castration for paedophiles

:D

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/6232530/Poland-approves-forcible-castration-for-paedophiles.html

Under the law, sponsored by Poland's centre-Right government, paedophiles convicted of raping children under the age of 15 years or a close relative would have to undergo chemical therapy on their release from prison.

"The purpose of this action is to improve the mental health of the convict, to lower his libido and thereby to reduce the risk of another crime being committed by the same person," the government said in a statement.

But the move drew criticism from human rights groups.

"Introducing any mandatory treatment raises doubts as such a requirement is never reasonable and life can always produce cases that lawmakers could never have even dreamt of," said Piotr Kladoczny from the Helsinki Foundation of Human Rights.

The law was approved by an overwhelming majority of 400 with one vote against and two abstentions in Poland's 460-seat lower house of parliament.

The bill, which also increases prison sentences for rape and incest, must still be approved by the upper chamber of parliament. But this is seen as a formality as Prime Minister Donald Tusk's Civic Platform party holds a majority of its 100 seats.

Mr Tusk first raised the controversial issue of chemical castration for convicted paedophiles in a year ago, after a 45-year-old man was charged with having raped and held his 21-year-old daughter captive for six years.

The young woman gave birth to two children, in 2005 and 2007, allegedly the result of having been raped by her father.

"I want ... to introduce in Poland the most rigorous law possible regarding criminals who rape children," Mr Tusk said at the time.

Seven hundred cases of paedophilia are reported to police in Poland each year, according to justice officials.

Poland's southern EU neighbour, the Czech Republic, has voluntary chemical and surgical castration laws in place for sex offenders.

Since 2000, around 300 Czech patients have undergone chemical castration, with around 94 undergoing the surgical removal of genitalia on a voluntary basis, according to Czech government statistics.

or a close relativemajwill24

Wow and the TC is really happy. :|

Yay for ridiculously retributive judicial and penalty systems.

I'm pretty sure I heard about this going on in America too. Maybe it was as a voluntary alternative to jail time though.jimmyjammer69

I hope more common sense laws like this can be passed around the world, now that the influence of the flawed "human rights" doctrine is declining. This can be just the beginning for more nations to deal with degenerates and lowlifes with logic reason.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]I'm pretty sure I heard about this going on in America too. Maybe it was as a voluntary alternative to jail time though.majwill24

I hope more common sense laws like this can be passed around the world, now that the influence of the flawed "human rights" doctrine is declining. This can be just the beginning for more nations to deal with degenerates and lowlifes with logic reason.

:|

Nice quote there...

Ahhhhhhhhh...

Finally areason for me to be proud of being Polish.

I am disturbed.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]I'm pretty sure I heard about this going on in America too. Maybe it was as a voluntary alternative to jail time though.majwill24

I hope more common sense laws like this can be passed around the world, now that the influence of the flawed "human rights" doctrine is declining. This can be just the beginning for more nations to deal with degenerates and lowlifes with logic reason.

Wow and the TC is really happy. :|

Yay for ridiculously retributive judicial and penalty systems.

While it brings up some human rights issues, I don't mind. Pedos are the scummiest of scum next to rapists and wife beaters :xII_Seraphim_II

For the last few decades, the concept of rehabilitation and understanding of the criminal mind has gone too far. The direction is now swinging back and society is seeing that coddling of the worst criminals is not only ridiculous but isnt financially viable, especially now that resources are tighter then ever.

Woah - better cancel my holiday to Poland.....

Next up: chop off hands of shoplifters?

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]While it brings up some human rights issues, I don't mind. Pedos are the scummiest of scum next to rapists and wife beaters :xmajwill24

For the last few decades, the concept of rehabilitation and understanding of the criminal mind has gone too far. The direction is now swinging back and society is seeing that coddling of the worst criminals is not only ridiculous but financially inviable, especially now that resources are tighter then ever.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Wow and the TC is really happy. :|

Yay for ridiculously retributive judicial and penalty systems.

MetalGear_Ninty

Castration is not less cruel than the death penalty if not worse. Also there are medicine that can be given that prevent someone from having an erection. I am sure there must be other ways too to deter one's sexual urges, and AFAIK castration doesnt always help in this.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Wow and the TC is really happy. :|

Yay for ridiculously retributive judicial and penalty systems.

Teenaged

Castration is not less cruel than the death penalty if not worse. Also there are medicine that can be given that prevent someone from having an erection. I am sure there must be other ways too to deter one's sexual urges, and AFAIK castration doesnt always help in this.

They've got other things to penetrate people with, though - I mean, there's fingers, toes, maybe even your nose... I guess you'd just have to kind of "smooth them" so that nothing sticks out.

bangell99

Yeah, but those urges are heightened by the stuff down below. we all are guys here, we know how powerful the "juice" is

[QUOTE="majwill24"]

I'm pretty sure I heard about this going on in America too. Maybe it was as a voluntary alternative to jail time though.jimmyjammer69

I hope more common sense laws like this can be passed around the world, now that the influence of the flawed "human rights" doctrine is declining. This can be just the beginning for more nations to deal with degenerates and lowlifes with logic reason.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] You don't seem to have read the OP. It explicitly says that that the measure is not wholly retributive but is designed to reduce the risks of other crimes being commited,.jimmyjammer69

Castration is not less cruel than the death penalty if not worse. Also there are medicine that can be given that prevent someone from having an erection. I am sure there must be other ways too to deter one's sexual urges, and AFAIK castration doesnt always help in this.

[QUOTE="majwill24"]

I hope more common sense laws like this can be passed around the world, now that the influence of the flawed "human rights" doctrine is declining. This can be just the beginning for more nations to deal with degenerates and lowlifes with logic reason.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Wow and the TC is really happy. :|

Yay for ridiculously retributive judicial and penalty systems.

Castration is not less cruel than the death penalty if not worse. Also there are medicine that can be given that prevent someone from having an erection. I am sure there must be other ways too to deter one's sexual urges, and AFAIK castration doesnt always help in this.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] I'm not sure exactly what you mean but I hope you're not talking about mob rule. Hurling around rhetoric like 'lowlife' and 'degenerate' doesn't really show much willingness to tackle the causes of the problem, it merely indicates scapegoating. Like it or not, paedophiles are humans too and should have rights. It's not a deviant sexuality, it's a sickness.

jimmyjammer69

Rather I saw through your ploy to use emotive language such as 'human' and 'rights' to try and get us to illicit a response of sympathy towards the paedophiles.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Language such as 'rights' and 'human' are just as, if not more insidious rhetoric. Completely meaningless terms in this context.MetalGear_Ninty

Rather I saw through your ploy to use emotive language such as 'human' and 'rights' to try and get us to illicit a response of sympathy towards the paedophiles.

*Edit* and why on Earth would I be carrying out some sort of ploy to gain sympathy for paedophiles? That's one of the most bizarrely paranoid snap judgements I've come across.

Well... intresting move. The only thing to really consider here is whether or not it's cost effective. I don't care about the human rights side of this, these guys are pedophiles, as far as I'm concerned if you perform any acts of pedophillia then you forfit your own life. For what it's worth they might aswell kill them, but then that wouldn't nessecarily be cost effective either. I mean this may not solve the problem, but it will certainly act as a deterant, so it will NOT make it worse. Drugs most certainly would not have that effect, and they would not be cost effective either for that very reason.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] You don't seem to have read the OP. It explicitly says that that the measure is not wholly retributive but is designed to reduce the risks of other crimes being commited,.MetalGear_Ninty

Castration is not less cruel than the death penalty if not worse. Also there are medicine that can be given that prevent someone from having an erection. I am sure there must be other ways too to deter one's sexual urges, and AFAIK castration doesnt always help in this.

BUT often, in cases of resetting the punishment for a certain crime, the government will take into consideration what the general population wants and may be affected by it. ;)

And thats not so hard to know.

Also the last point you made is so wrong. The same phrase you said could be applied to people who would be punished with the death penalty. "If they feel hard done by this then they shouldnt have commited the crime".

[QUOTE="majwill24"]or a close relativeguynamedbilly

Also that last point you made is so wrong. The same phrase you said could be applied to people who would be punished with the death penalty. "If they feel hard done by this then they shouldnt have commited the crime".Teenaged

Cruel and unusual punishment is bad, 'mkay?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"] Also that last point you made is so wrong. The same phrase you said could be applied to people who would be punished with the death penalty. "If they feel hard done by this then they shouldnt have commited the crime".Darth-Caedus

Also shall I count the serious flaws and weeknesses of this kind of punishment?

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="majwill24"]or a close relativeduxup

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

In this context? You're claiming that paedophiles actually aren't human now?jimmyjammer69

Rather I saw through your ploy to use emotive language such as 'human' and 'rights' to try and get us to illicit a response of sympathy towards the paedophiles.

*Edit* and why on Earth would I be carrying out some sort of ploy to gain sympathy for paedophiles? That's one of the most bizarrely paranoid snap judgements I've come across.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Do you really think that the form of the punishment doesnt also contribute in satisfying the need for retribution many people have and express?

Castration is not less cruel than the death penalty if not worse. Also there are medicine that can be given that prevent someone from having an erection. I am sure there must be other ways too to deter one's sexual urges, and AFAIK castration doesnt always help in this.

BUT often, in cases of resetting the punishment for a certain crime, the government will take into consideration what the general population wants and may be affected by it. ;)

And thats not so hard to know.

Also the last point you made is so wrong. The same phrase you said could be applied to people who would be punished with the death penalty. "If they feel hard done by this then they shouldnt have commited the crime".

That's completely absurd, people can't help if they find children sexually attractive, should we castrate homosexuals because they find the opposite sex attractive? People need to stop discriminating against pedophiles, it's getting ****ing out of hand.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] No, of course they're human, and nobody was debating that.

Rather I saw through your ploy to use emotive language such as 'human' and 'rights' to try and get us to illicit a response of sympathy towards the paedophiles.

MetalGear_Ninty

*Edit* and why on Earth would I be carrying out some sort of ploy to gain sympathy for paedophiles? That's one of the most bizarrely paranoid snap judgements I've come across.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Do you really think that the form of the punishment doesnt also contribute in satisfying the need for retribution many people have and express?

Castration is not less cruel than the death penalty if not worse. Also there are medicine that can be given that prevent someone from having an erection. I am sure there must be other ways too to deter one's sexual urges, and AFAIK castration doesnt always help in this.

Teenaged

BUT often, in cases of resetting the punishment for a certain crime, the government will take into consideration what the general population wants and may be affected by it. ;)

And thats not so hard to know.

Also the last point you made is so wrong. The same phrase you said could be applied to people who would be punished with the death penalty. "If they feel hard done by this then they shouldnt have commited the crime".

Exactly, so how is he wrong? If people commit a serious crime then they put their ownlife on the line, and that is their own fault and their own problem. Criminals can murder and rape and be allowed to live. The punishment for muder will never be true justice as long as the murderer remains alive, presuming it was a murder that was in cold blood and with no real convincing motives. I see no problem with having these people killed if it means more space in prisons and less costs, but that isn't allways the case. Deathis the consequence of many actions, why should it not be the consequence of causing it to another?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] I don't pretend to know the Polish governments true intentions. If the peadophile feels hard done by this then they should not have comitted the crime.MetalGear_Ninty

BUT often, in cases of resetting the punishment for a certain crime, the government will take into consideration what the general population wants and may be affected by it. ;)

And thats not so hard to know.

Also the last point you made is so wrong. The same phrase you said could be applied to people who would be punished with the death penalty. "If they feel hard done by this then they shouldnt have commited the crime".

That's completely absurd, people can't help if they find children sexually attractive, should we castrate homosexuals because they find the opposite sex attractive? People need to stop discriminating against pedophiles, it's getting ****ing out of hand.

Yandere

To be fair...

"paedophiles convicted of raping children under the age of 15 years"

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] No, of course they're human, and nobody was debating that.

Rather I saw through your ploy to use emotive language such as 'human' and 'rights' to try and get us to illicit a response of sympathy towards the paedophiles.

*Edit* and why on Earth would I be carrying out some sort of ploy to gain sympathy for paedophiles? That's one of the most bizarrely paranoid snap judgements I've come across.