Police arrest woman for videotaping them on her own property

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Yongying"]There is the law, and also the corrupt side of it. The corrupt side would back up those cops. A corrupt law is anti American.

Sunfyre7896

I know that you want to back up the cops at every turn, but points to make. First, she was standing in her yard nowhere close to what was happening, how was she impeding? Was she screaming at them? Was she actually physically getting in the way? Secondly, SHE WAS STANDING IN HER YARD. That is her property and she was doing absolutely NOTHING illegal. They can't just legally tell you to do something in your own property just because of an excuse. If this was so, then all they have to do when they suspect anything is to knock on your door and when you answer, they just simply tell you to open the door, let them in, and let them search your entire place. According to you, you should listen to them at ALL times. Why not just let them tell you to let them in and you do it? Who needs privacy and rights when the cops authority is on the line. If a cop told you to bark and hop around like a dog, would do it, for no reason, other than the cop told you to? I'm sorry. I just can't listen just because They said when you're not in the way and you're on your own property being completely legal. It's called abuse of power.

In a police investigation it does not matter if the property was hers. They asked her to go inside her property. She did not. Noncompliance with police orders can and do result in valid arrests per the law.

Man I wish every state was a POLICE STATE like New York. That way we can arrest evil wrongdoers like this and then pay more tax dollars to keep them in prison. Just think about the benefits our police force will have from all that extra money!

This right here is the reason 2nd Amendment exists - not so that we can defend our property, but so we can make a statement as to the stupidity of laws passed by fat, incompetent officials elected by the uneducated masses.

Saturos3091

You are spot on. Now that's an opinon I can respect. Money, greed, abuse of power, and stupidity run this country.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Yongying"]There is the law, and also the corrupt side of it. The corrupt side would back up those cops. A corrupt law is anti American.

Yongying

Well, if what she is doing was legal, then she cant be convicted of any crime.

[QUOTE="Yongying"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's not a corrupt law to not permit citizens from getting in the way of police work. Cops have to have situations under control at all times. First...we don't know anything that happened prior to her recording or at least what is released from the recording. Second...if a cop tells you to move...you leave. Simple.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Yongying"]She was not in their way, she was on her property and wasn't doing anything illegal acording to the law, so, what law are you refering to if not the corrupt side of it? Secondly, in that circumstance, if a cop tells you to leave your property you have every right to refuse without being unlawfully arrested.

Person0

[QUOTE="Sunfyre7896"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's not a corrupt law to not permit citizens from getting in the way of police work. Cops have to have situations under control at all times. First...we don't know anything that happened prior to her recording or at least what is released from the recording. Second...if a cop tells you to move...you leave. Simple.LJS9502_basic

I know that you want to back up the cops at every turn, but points to make. First, she was standing in her yard nowhere close to what was happening, how was she impeding? Was she screaming at them? Was she actually physically getting in the way? Secondly, SHE WAS STANDING IN HER YARD. That is her property and she was doing absolutely NOTHING illegal. They can't just legally tell you to do something in your own property just because of an excuse. If this was so, then all they have to do when they suspect anything is to knock on your door and when you answer, they just simply tell you to open the door, let them in, and let them search your entire place. According to you, you should listen to them at ALL times. Why not just let them tell you to let them in and you do it? Who needs privacy and rights when the cops authority is on the line. If a cop told you to bark and hop around like a dog, would do it, for no reason, other than the cop told you to? I'm sorry. I just can't listen just because They said when you're not in the way and you're on your own property being completely legal. It's called abuse of power.

In a police investigation it does not matter if the property was hers. They asked her to go inside her property. She did not. Noncompliance with police orders can and do result in valid arrests per the law.

I didn't realize there was a mandated curfew, quarantine, or martial law happening at the time. My apologies, my bad.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Sunfyre7896"]

I know that you want to back up the cops at every turn, but points to make. First, she was standing in her yard nowhere close to what was happening, how was she impeding? Was she screaming at them? Was she actually physically getting in the way? Secondly, SHE WAS STANDING IN HER YARD. That is her property and she was doing absolutely NOTHING illegal. They can't just legally tell you to do something in your own property just because of an excuse. If this was so, then all they have to do when they suspect anything is to knock on your door and when you answer, they just simply tell you to open the door, let them in, and let them search your entire place. According to you, you should listen to them at ALL times. Why not just let them tell you to let them in and you do it? Who needs privacy and rights when the cops authority is on the line. If a cop told you to bark and hop around like a dog, would do it, for no reason, other than the cop told you to? I'm sorry. I just can't listen just because They said when you're not in the way and you're on your own property being completely legal. It's called abuse of power.

Sunfyre7896

In a police investigation it does not matter if the property was hers. They asked her to go inside her property. She did not. Noncompliance with police orders can and do result in valid arrests per the law.

I didn't realize there was a mandated curfew, quarantine, or martial law happening at the time. My apologies, my bad.

I hate this kind of thing. It should be expressly legal to film police officers. It's the surest way to guarantee that the enforcers of the law aren't above it and that those who do abuse their power are held accountable.

[QUOTE="Sunfyre7896"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's not a corrupt law to not permit citizens from getting in the way of police work. Cops have to have situations under control at all times. First...we don't know anything that happened prior to her recording or at least what is released from the recording. Second...if a cop tells you to move...you leave. Simple.LJS9502_basic

I know that you want to back up the cops at every turn, but points to make. First, she was standing in her yard nowhere close to what was happening, how was she impeding? Was she screaming at them? Was she actually physically getting in the way? Secondly, SHE WAS STANDING IN HER YARD. That is her property and she was doing absolutely NOTHING illegal. They can't just legally tell you to do something in your own property just because of an excuse. If this was so, then all they have to do when they suspect anything is to knock on your door and when you answer, they just simply tell you to open the door, let them in, and let them search your entire place. According to you, you should listen to them at ALL times. Why not just let them tell you to let them in and you do it? Who needs privacy and rights when the cops authority is on the line. If a cop told you to bark and hop around like a dog, would do it, for no reason, other than the cop told you to? I'm sorry. I just can't listen just because They said when you're not in the way and you're on your own property being completely legal. It's called abuse of power.

In a police investigation it does not matter if the property was hers. They asked her to go inside her property. She did not. Noncompliance with police orders can and do result in valid arrests per the law.

With this logic if the police tells you to jump off a 10 story building you can be lawfully arrested :?

[QUOTE="Yongying"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's not a corrupt law to not permit citizens from getting in the way of police work. Cops have to have situations under control at all times. First...we don't know anything that happened prior to her recording or at least what is released from the recording. Second...if a cop tells you to move...you leave. Simple.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]If they believe she creates an unsafe situation...then yeah they have the right to tell her to remove herself.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="AngelNeo00"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]If they feel threatened...then it's not an unreasonable request. She should have complied. In the end....she had to spend time in jail rather than the house. Who won that argument?LJS9502_basic

I personally think the police are the ones who overstepped their bounds by approaching her on her own front lawn. Regardless of whether she was doing anything or not, it was still on her own property....she had every right to be there. If an arrest was taking place outside my house, I know I'd be somewhat curious as well.

[QUOTE="Sunfyre7896"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I've said twice now I don't defend cops. But I'm not going to blame them when they weren't deserving of it. Fairness is important to me.

In a police investigation it does not matter if the property was hers. They asked her to go inside her property. She did not. Noncompliance with police orders can and do result in valid arrests per the law.

LJS9502_basic

I didn't realize there was a mandated curfew, quarantine, or martial law happening at the time. My apologies, my bad.

They weren't performing their duties in her yard, but on the street which is city property. If the guy was in her yard, then yes, by all means, she should've went inside away from it all, but it wasn't anywhere close to there. What about all of the times there are people in their yards when people get arrested? They don't arrest them. According to this, there is no reason they shouldn't just go around arresting anyone and everyone and just saying they felt unsafe. It's asinine.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="AngelNeo00"] Threaten by a female holding a camera? Cmon this was definitely an unlawful arrest

Celldrax

I personally think the police are the ones who overstepped their bounds by approaching her on her own front lawn. Regardless of whether she was doing anything or not, it was still on her own property....she had every right to be there. If an arrest was taking place outside my house, I know I'd be somewhat curious as well.

[QUOTE="Celldrax"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]As I said I don't wish to defend cops....but the arrest isn't unlawful. You are not allowed to impede the police from performing their duty. Considering he said several times he didn't feel safe...the arrest will stand and she'll end up paying a fine undoubtedly to the court.LJS9502_basic

I personally think the police are the ones who overstepped their bounds by approaching her on her own front lawn. Regardless of whether she was doing anything or not, it was still on her own property....she had every right to be there. If an arrest was taking place outside my house, I know I'd be somewhat curious as well.

To be honest, I don't have sound atm. I'm just going by what seems fair and unfair :P

[QUOTE="Celldrax"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]As I said I don't wish to defend cops....but the arrest isn't unlawful. You are not allowed to impede the police from performing their duty. Considering he said several times he didn't feel safe...the arrest will stand and she'll end up paying a fine undoubtedly to the court.LJS9502_basic

I personally think the police are the ones who overstepped their bounds by approaching her on her own front lawn. Regardless of whether she was doing anything or not, it was still on her own property....she had every right to be there. If an arrest was taking place outside my house, I know I'd be somewhat curious as well.

But the crime wasn't being committed in her house or yard, but the street. And as for antagonizing the cops, I only witnessed her asking why she was being asked to move because she was only filming in HER yard. She wasn't cursing them, just asking what she was doing wrong, completely confused as to why she was in trouble at that point. I guarantee, most of America backs her side and would be confused as to why you're in trouble over this.

You are antagonizing me. You should get off the OT and go sit in your room. If you're there, turn off the computer and just sit there. The reason? I feel unsafe due to your antagonizing. Sounds pretty similar to me.

[QUOTE="Celldrax"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]As I said I don't wish to defend cops....but the arrest isn't unlawful. You are not allowed to impede the police from performing their duty. Considering he said several times he didn't feel safe...the arrest will stand and she'll end up paying a fine undoubtedly to the court.LJS9502_basic

I personally think the police are the ones who overstepped their bounds by approaching her on her own front lawn. Regardless of whether she was doing anything or not, it was still on her own property....she had every right to be there. If an arrest was taking place outside my house, I know I'd be somewhat curious as well.

[QUOTE="Celldrax"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]As I said I don't wish to defend cops....but the arrest isn't unlawful. You are not allowed to impede the police from performing their duty. Considering he said several times he didn't feel safe...the arrest will stand and she'll end up paying a fine undoubtedly to the court.LJS9502_basic

I personally think the police are the ones who overstepped their bounds by approaching her on her own front lawn. Regardless of whether she was doing anything or not, it was still on her own property....she had every right to be there. If an arrest was taking place outside my house, I know I'd be somewhat curious as well.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Celldrax"]

I personally think the police are the ones who overstepped their bounds by approaching her on her own front lawn. Regardless of whether she was doing anything or not, it was still on her own property....she had every right to be there. If an arrest was taking place outside my house, I know I'd be somewhat curious as well.

Sunfyre7896

But the crime wasn't being committed in her house or yard, but the street. And as for antagonizing the cops, I only witnessed her asking why she was being asked to move because she was only filming in HER yard. She wasn't cursing them, just asking what she was doing wrong, completely confused as to why she was in trouble at that point. I guarantee, most of America backs her side and would be confused as to why you're in trouble over this.

You are antagonizing me. You should get off the OT and go sit in your room. If you're there, turn off the computer and just sit there. The reason? I feel unsafe due to your antagonizing. Sounds pretty similar to me.

[QUOTE="Sunfyre7896"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yeah but any place in the area can be considered. For what reason couldn't she have gone inside? She seemed to want to antagonize the police to be fair. And she had the same idea OT does....because it's her property she can do what she wants. That's not actually true. For instance if the cops think a crime is occurring in your home...they can enter without a warrant.LJS9502_basic

But the crime wasn't being committed in her house or yard, but the street. And as for antagonizing the cops, I only witnessed her asking why she was being asked to move because she was only filming in HER yard. She wasn't cursing them, just asking what she was doing wrong, completely confused as to why she was in trouble at that point. I guarantee, most of America backs her side and would be confused as to why you're in trouble over this.

You are antagonizing me. You should get off the OT and go sit in your room. If you're there, turn off the computer and just sit there. The reason? I feel unsafe due to your antagonizing. Sounds pretty similar to me.

I don't understand. The police warned her multiple times that she would be arrested if she didn't go into her. Not that she should but the police did warn her. Multiple times. Whether or not she was right or wrong, it was going to happen because she didn't cooperate. mrmusicman247

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]I don't understand. The police warned her multiple times that she would be arrested if she didn't go into her. Not that she should but the police did warn her. Multiple times. Whether or not she was right or wrong, it was going to happen because she didn't cooperate. Yongying

[QUOTE="Sunfyre7896"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yeah but any place in the area can be considered. For what reason couldn't she have gone inside? She seemed to want to antagonize the police to be fair. And she had the same idea OT does....because it's her property she can do what she wants. That's not actually true. For instance if the cops think a crime is occurring in your home...they can enter without a warrant.LJS9502_basic

But the crime wasn't being committed in her house or yard, but the street. And as for antagonizing the cops, I only witnessed her asking why she was being asked to move because she was only filming in HER yard. She wasn't cursing them, just asking what she was doing wrong, completely confused as to why she was in trouble at that point. I guarantee, most of America backs her side and would be confused as to why you're in trouble over this.

You are antagonizing me. You should get off the OT and go sit in your room. If you're there, turn off the computer and just sit there. The reason? I feel unsafe due to your antagonizing. Sounds pretty similar to me.

[QUOTE="Yongying"]

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]I don't understand. The police warned her multiple times that she would be arrested if she didn't go into her. Not that she should but the police did warn her. Multiple times. Whether or not she was right or wrong, it was going to happen because she didn't cooperate. mrmusicman247

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Sunfyre7896"]

But the crime wasn't being committed in her house or yard, but the street. And as for antagonizing the cops, I only witnessed her asking why she was being asked to move because she was only filming in HER yard. She wasn't cursing them, just asking what she was doing wrong, completely confused as to why she was in trouble at that point. I guarantee, most of America backs her side and would be confused as to why you're in trouble over this.

You are antagonizing me. You should get off the OT and go sit in your room. If you're there, turn off the computer and just sit there. The reason? I feel unsafe due to your antagonizing. Sounds pretty similar to me.

Person0

[QUOTE="Sunfyre7896"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yeah but any place in the area can be considered. For what reason couldn't she have gone inside? She seemed to want to antagonize the police to be fair. And she had the same idea OT does....because it's her property she can do what she wants. That's not actually true. For instance if the cops think a crime is occurring in your home...they can enter without a warrant.LJS9502_basic

But the crime wasn't being committed in her house or yard, but the street. And as for antagonizing the cops, I only witnessed her asking why she was being asked to move because she was only filming in HER yard. She wasn't cursing them, just asking what she was doing wrong, completely confused as to why she was in trouble at that point. I guarantee, most of America backs her side and would be confused as to why you're in trouble over this.

You are antagonizing me. You should get off the OT and go sit in your room. If you're there, turn off the computer and just sit there. The reason? I feel unsafe due to your antagonizing. Sounds pretty similar to me.

Not necessarily. If they took the tape and there was another, it would look more suspicious to take the tape. It would appear to be a cover up.

Next they'll be telling people not to be looking through their screen doors or windows because of antagonizing the cops or that they might get shot from the door or window. There's no limit after you set a precedent that is ridiculous.

[QUOTE="-Shooter-"]

Cops like this are responsible for the bad impressions of the police, which many good, honest ones have to deal with. :(

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Sunfyre7896"]

But the crime wasn't being committed in her house or yard, but the street. And as for antagonizing the cops, I only witnessed her asking why she was being asked to move because she was only filming in HER yard. She wasn't cursing them, just asking what she was doing wrong, completely confused as to why she was in trouble at that point. I guarantee, most of America backs her side and would be confused as to why you're in trouble over this.

You are antagonizing me. You should get off the OT and go sit in your room. If you're there, turn off the computer and just sit there. The reason? I feel unsafe due to your antagonizing. Sounds pretty similar to me.

xxmatt125xx

Seems to me most people here have an emotional dislike toward the police and so filter this situation through it instead of removing emotion from the event.

[QUOTE="Yongying"]

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]I don't understand. The police warned her multiple times that she would be arrested if she didn't go into her. Not that she should but the police did warn her. Multiple times. Whether or not she was right or wrong, it was going to happen because she didn't cooperate. mrmusicman247

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"][QUOTE="Yongying"]She stood up for her rights, and should be proud as an American.

Person0

Did you read my previous post?

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"][QUOTE="Yongying"]She stood up for her rights, and should be proud as an American.

Yongying

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"][QUOTE="Yongying"]She stood up for her rights, and should be proud as an American.

Yongying

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"][QUOTE="Yongying"]She stood up for her rights, and should be proud as an American.

Person0

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] And they weren't going to arrest her. She was asked several times to go in her house and told why. She refused. That's what happens when you fuss with cops. She doesn't have to curse to be arrested. She wasn't arrested for videotaping. She was arrested for noncompliance with a police officer in the process of performing his duty. And like I said...if they felt they wrongfully arrested her....that tape would not exist. It does. So they followed proper procedure.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] Told why?? All they said was they felt threatened with no reasons why. Should cops just be able to say they feel threated and be able to force everyone away for no real reason?Person0

[QUOTE="Yongying"]

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"] Then shouldn't have been upset when the cop arrested her. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Yongying"]She was upset because her rights were being unlawfully violated by the very same people who swore to uphold them. If you don't stand up to your rights then you might aswell live in China.

Yongying

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Feeling an individual creates an unsafe condition while they are discharging their duties is a lawful order. Noncompliance with said order can result in arrest. And did in this case.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Yongying"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Which right was that?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] Told why?? All they said was they felt threatened with no reasons why. Should cops just be able to say they feel threated and be able to force everyone away for no real reason?Person0

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Person0"] But there was still no reason why they should feel threatened besides the camera. Especially since 1 cop was watching her and there were 2 other cops right there.Person0

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Yongying"]The right to film a public servant, i'm not going to play stupid with you LJ but if you honestly think that they felt threatened by her (which i'm sure you don't) then what can i say, you shouldn't be defending cowardly cops.

BranKetra

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Ah but again she wasn't arrested for that. Cops don't like to let situations get out of hand. They need control. She presented a possible problem. They asked her to leave. She did not. Whether you wish to agree with her arrest or not...it was lawful.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Person0"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Cops want to deal with the issue at hand...not have to watch bystanders. And since cops cannot predict the future and see what might happen...they remove the risk. She had more than enough warnings. It's on her....and I have no sympathy. Maybe she learned she's not the center of the universe over this.LJS9502_basic