I would defend good cops, but not these guys, the arrest was clearly unjust. Was it? On what basis?[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Not that I defend cops....but she was warned several times.Mind_Mover
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I would defend good cops, but not these guys, the arrest was clearly unjust. Was it? On what basis?[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Not that I defend cops....but she was warned several times.Mind_Mover
What? the cop feels threatened by the girl, tells her to go inside for her own safety because the handcuffed man might shoot her? lol[QUOTE="Yongying"]
[QUOTE="kev_stevens67"]
I am pretty sure Video taping a police officer is against the law. I'll have to see if I can look this up later. If it is against the law, then the police have every right to tell her to go inside the house and turn off the camera. I would also laugh at the person who was video taping who said "I'm video taping..it is my right" :lol:
I could be wrong though.
Edit: Another good point someone else made, was the police have every right to tell her to go inside for her own safety. What if the criminal had a gun, they didn't find yet and then started shooting. It would be for the citizens best interest to be inside..not outside. Just a thought.
kev_stevens67
Look at the big picture - just because he is handcuffed - DOES NOT mean he is no longer a threat :lol:
A police office still has to be careful.
I think you should look at the big picture, the cop should have stayed with the cuffed man in the car instead of dealing with the woman :roll:[QUOTE="kev_stevens67"]
[QUOTE="Yongying"]What? the cop feels threatened by the girl, tells her to go inside for her own safety because the handcuffed man might shoot her? lol
Yongying
Look at the big picture - just because he is handcuffed - DOES NOT mean he is no longer a threat :lol:
A police office still has to be careful.
I think you should look at the big picture, the cop should have stayed with the cuffed man in the car instead of dealing with the woman :roll:Way to not address what I said :roll:
The man was still a potential threat
You're not only missing the big picture, you're looking the other way.
I would defend good cops, but not these guys, the arrest was clearly unjust. Was it? On what basis?People have already said it, the woman wasn't doing anything wrong, the cop got paranoid because he was being filmed.[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Not that I defend cops....but she was warned several times.LJS9502_basic
The police aren't special. If they can film people, then people can film them. That is why it isn't illegal to film police officers. I'm pretty sure some states made it illegal to film police officers.Yes and it is a complete violation of rights.[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="kev_stevens67"]
I am pretty sure Video taping a police officer is against the law. I'll have to see if I can look this up later. If it is against the law, then the police have every right to tell her to go inside the house and turn off the camera. I would also laugh at the person who was video taping who said "I'm video taping..it is my right" :lol:
I could be wrong though.
Edit: Another good point someone else made, was the police have every right to tell her to go inside for her own safety. What if the criminal had a gun, they didn't find yet and then started shooting. It would be for the citizens best interest to be inside..not outside. Just a thought.
DroidPhysX
The police officer was well within his right to tell the woman to go back into the house. I don't know that part of NY very well, but I don't feel safe when there are crowds of civilians standing around me when I'm trying to do my job.
Was it? On what basis?People have already said it, the woman wasn't doing anything wrong, the cop got paranoid because he was being filmed. Yet the video was not taken....maybe he just didn't trust a friend of the person he was arresting? After all...telling her to go inside in no way stops her from filming.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]I would defend good cops, but not these guys, the arrest was clearly unjust.
Mind_Mover
I would defend good cops, but not these guys, the arrest was clearly unjust. Was it? On what basis?[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Not that I defend cops....but she was warned several times.LJS9502_basic
I agree and don't see anything the police did wrong. The title was also a bit misleading. It doesn't seem like she was arrested for Videotaping. She was arrested for disobeying an order from a police office. It wasn't like they were telling her to do anything horrible - just to get back inside. She should have listened IMO.
Was it? On what basis?People have already said it, the woman wasn't doing anything wrong, the cop got paranoid because he was being filmed.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]I would defend good cops, but not these guys, the arrest was clearly unjust.
Mind_Mover
She did something wrong by disobeying an order from a police officer, which was not a bad order anyway..just to get back inside and was warned several times.
I think you should look at the big picture, the cop should have stayed with the cuffed man in the car instead of dealing with the woman :roll:[QUOTE="Yongying"]
[QUOTE="kev_stevens67"]
Look at the big picture - just because he is handcuffed - DOES NOT mean he is no longer a threat :lol:
A police office still has to be careful.
kev_stevens67
Way to not address what I said :roll:
The man was still a potential threat
You're not only missing the big picture, you're looking the other way.
The guy wouldn't be a threat if the cop stayed in the car with him, that is the big picture i addressed you on.[QUOTE="kev_stevens67"]
[QUOTE="Yongying"]I think you should look at the big picture, the cop should have stayed with the cuffed man in the car instead of dealing with the woman :roll:
Yongying
Way to not address what I said :roll:
The man was still a potential threat
You're not only missing the big picture, you're looking the other way.
The guy wouldn't be a threat if the cop stayed in the car with him, that is the big picture i addressed you on.Doesn't matter, the police are still going to treat him as a potential threat..always..as they should be doing.
[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]People have already said it, the woman wasn't doing anything wrong, the cop got paranoid because he was being filmed. Yet the video was not taken....maybe he just didn't trust a friend of the person he was arresting? After all...telling her to go inside in no way stops her from filming.The cop said he felt threatend by her, all i can do is laugh at the cop if what he is saying was true. I don't care though, iv'e seen far worse situations.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Was it? On what basis?
LJS9502_basic
Depends on the situation and common sense reasoning, if the woman in the video was truly impeding the the cops from doing their jobs than they have every right to arrest her. But she wasn't, again cops should have authority over people but certainly not to the extend of being able to order civilians around who certainly aren't doing any crime or anything suspicious And if they considered her a threat? Honestly, its difficult to go by who is and who isn't a threat to cops, In a general sense you can consider everyone a threat to cops since they can harm the police with their arms and fist. However, its irrational and assaine to go by that reasoning. Now I don't know how anyone could make a case that the woman in the video was a ligitmate threat to the cops unless you have a board sense of what can threaten a cop.[QUOTE="AngelNeo00"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]So you are saying citizens never have to obey orders from cops?LJS9502_basic
Tough call here.
If she was in fact on her property, the charges shouldn't stick.
But it can be hard to know exactly where the property line is. We had the city come over to our house for something once, and it turns out that our property stops way further away from the road than we anticipated, and the redt id the city's land. If she was technically in front of the line, then she could be in trouble,
But I don't see why taping the police is public should be illegal, any way...
Yet the video was not taken....maybe he just didn't trust a friend of the person he was arresting? After all...telling her to go inside in no way stops her from filming.The cop said he felt threatend by her, all i can do is laugh at the cop if what he is saying was true. I don't care though, iv'e seen far worse situations.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]People have already said it, the woman wasn't doing anything wrong, the cop got paranoid because he was being filmed.
Mind_Mover
I don't understand why you would laugh. It's his life on the line and he would rather play it safe. He possibly has a family to get home to and wants to be there. I would be playing it as safe as I can as well - I also have a family I want to get home to.
Tough call here.
If she was in fact on her property, the charges shouldn't stick.
But it can be hard to know exactly where the property line is. We had the city come over to our house for something once, and it turns out that our property stops way further away from the road than we anticipated, and the redt id the city's land. If she was technically in front of the line, then she could be in trouble,
But I don't see why taping the police is public should be illegal, any way...
BuryMe
I don't think she was arrested for being on her property. She was arrested for disobeying a police officer, which is against the law - on or off your property. At least this is my understanding.
[QUOTE="BuryMe"]
Tough call here.
If she was in fact on her property, the charges shouldn't stick.
But it can be hard to know exactly where the property line is. We had the city come over to our house for something once, and it turns out that our property stops way further away from the road than we anticipated, and the redt id the city's land. If she was technically in front of the line, then she could be in trouble,
But I don't see why taping the police is public should be illegal, any way...
kev_stevens67
I don't think she was arrested for being on her property. She was arrested for disobeying a police officer, which is against the law - on or off your property. At least this is my understanding.
That is what he said he was arresting her for....The cop said he felt threatend by her, all i can do is laugh at the cop if what he is saying was true. I don't care though, iv'e seen far worse situations.[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Yet the video was not taken....maybe he just didn't trust a friend of the person he was arresting? After all...telling her to go inside in no way stops her from filming.kev_stevens67
I don't understand why you would laugh. It's his life on the line and he would rather play it safe. He possibly has a family to get home to and wants to be there. I would be playing it as safe as I can as well - I also have a family I want to get home to.
His life isn't exaclty on the line don't exagerate, i will though :DI'm on the womans side, she probably has her family inside waiting for her, food on the stove, nan in her rocking chair waiting for her meds, dog waiting to be taken out to take a crap etc etc! just kidding, still on the womans side though.[QUOTE="BuryMe"]
Tough call here.
If she was in fact on her property, the charges shouldn't stick.
But it can be hard to know exactly where the property line is. We had the city come over to our house for something once, and it turns out that our property stops way further away from the road than we anticipated, and the redt id the city's land. If she was technically in front of the line, then she could be in trouble,
But I don't see why taping the police is public should be illegal, any way...
kev_stevens67
I don't think she was arrested for being on her property. She was arrested for disobeying a police officer, which is against the law - on or off your property. At least this is my understanding.
It isn't against the law to refuse a police officer, where did you get that from? It is against the law to refuse arrest, but if a cop tells you to do things if you are not breaking the law, you have the right to refuse.[QUOTE="kev_stevens67"]
[QUOTE="BuryMe"]
Tough call here.
If she was in fact on her property, the charges shouldn't stick.
But it can be hard to know exactly where the property line is. We had the city come over to our house for something once, and it turns out that our property stops way further away from the road than we anticipated, and the redt id the city's land. If she was technically in front of the line, then she could be in trouble,
But I don't see why taping the police is public should be illegal, any way...
Mind_Mover
I don't think she was arrested for being on her property. She was arrested for disobeying a police officer, which is against the law - on or off your property. At least this is my understanding.
It isn't against the law to refuse a police officer, where did you get that from? It is against the law to refuse arrest, but if a cop tells you to do things if you are not breaking the law, you have the right to refuse.In some state - there is a law that says disobeying an order from a police office is against the law. In other states, that is disobeying a lawful order from a police office is against the law - still in other states, it is a grey area and depends on the circumstance and who the office is I guess. I think it depends what state youre in, but the law is out there.
If they feel threatened...then it's not an unreasonable request. She should have complied. In the end....she had to spend time in jail rather than the house. Who won that argument? Threaten by a female holding a camera? Cmon this was definitely an unlawful arrest The camera could secretly be disguised as an G36 assault rifle![QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="OmniXIISlash"] She backed up when they asked her to. It's was unreasonable for them to tell her to go inside. The cops can't take away your rights when you're doing nothing wrong like that. AngelNeo00
[QUOTE="BuryMe"]
Tough call here.
If she was in fact on her property, the charges shouldn't stick.
But it can be hard to know exactly where the property line is. We had the city come over to our house for something once, and it turns out that our property stops way further away from the road than we anticipated, and the redt id the city's land. If she was technically in front of the line, then she could be in trouble,
But I don't see why taping the police is public should be illegal, any way...
kev_stevens67
I don't think she was arrested for being on her property. She was arrested for disobeying a police officer, which is against the law - on or off your property. At least this is my understanding.
If a police officer told me to kiss his shoes, am I legally required to do it or else he can arrest me for disobeying him? What if he pulled me over and told me to sniff his armpits?[QUOTE="AngelNeo00"]Threaten by a female holding a camera? Cmon this was definitely an unlawful arrest The camera could secretly be disguised as an G36 assault rifle![QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] If they feel threatened...then it's not an unreasonable request. She should have complied. In the end....she had to spend time in jail rather than the house. Who won that argument?lasseeb
She should have just stepped inside like she was told is what I think. It's not like she was being asked something unreasonable and difficult. The police officer said "I don't feel safe" and wanted her to get inside. Just get inside then. It shouldn't matter whether anyone feels the officer was safe or not. All that should matter is what the officer said, so just do what he says and get inside - don't act like a tough dude/girl. I don't think it's a difficult decision to make personally.
[QUOTE="kev_stevens67"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]
Tough call here.
If she was in fact on her property, the charges shouldn't stick.
But it can be hard to know exactly where the property line is. We had the city come over to our house for something once, and it turns out that our property stops way further away from the road than we anticipated, and the redt id the city's land. If she was technically in front of the line, then she could be in trouble,
But I don't see why taping the police is public should be illegal, any way...
BMD004
I don't think she was arrested for being on her property. She was arrested for disobeying a police officer, which is against the law - on or off your property. At least this is my understanding.
If a police officer told me to kiss his shoes, am I legally required to do it or else he can arrest me for disobeying him? What if he pulled me over and told me to sniff his armpits?I'll tell you what - when that happens you just disobey him and let us know what happens :lol:
If a police officer told me to kiss his shoes, am I legally required to do it or else he can arrest me for disobeying him? What if he pulled me over and told me to sniff his armpits?[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="kev_stevens67"]
I don't think she was arrested for being on her property. She was arrested for disobeying a police officer, which is against the law - on or off your property. At least this is my understanding.
kev_stevens67
I'll tell you what - when that happens you just disobey him and let us know what happens :lol:
You'd have to take my word for it. We all know I wouldn't be able to video tape it.[QUOTE="kev_stevens67"]
[QUOTE="BMD004"]If a police officer told me to kiss his shoes, am I legally required to do it or else he can arrest me for disobeying him? What if he pulled me over and told me to sniff his armpits?BMD004
I'll tell you what - when that happens you just disobey him and let us know what happens :lol:
You'd have to take my word for it. We all know I wouldn't be able to video tape it.Of course you wouldn't be able to. It's hard to video tape while you're kissing someone's shoes and sniffing armpits. Are you that talented?
You'd have to take my word for it. We all know I wouldn't be able to video tape it.[QUOTE="BMD004"]
[QUOTE="kev_stevens67"]
I'll tell you what - when that happens you just disobey him and let us know what happens :lol:
kev_stevens67
Of course you wouldn't be able to. It's hard to video tape while you're kissing someone's shoes and siffing armpits. Are you that talented?
Maybe.And they wonder why nobody including law abiding citicens hate the police. I am not surprised one bit with cop killings going way up.
I will be able to sleep soundly knowing that she is off the streets. Glad to see this takes priority over murderers and rapists.:|
I think you should look at the big picture, the cop should have stayed with the cuffed man in the car instead of dealing with the woman :roll:[QUOTE="Yongying"]
[QUOTE="kev_stevens67"]
Look at the big picture - just because he is handcuffed - DOES NOT mean he is no longer a threat :lol:
A police office still has to be careful.
kev_stevens67
Way to not address what I said :roll:
The man was still a potential threat
You're not only missing the big picture, you're looking the other way.
A handcuffed man and an unarmed woman with a camera are not a threat to three armed police men...:roll:
It wasn't about him not feeling safe, it was about him being PO'd at her for taping him, so he came up with a BS reason to arrest her and thought that she should immediately heed to his authority, regardless if she was breaking the law or not. They always try to make a situation out of nothing, when you get pulled over, right away they're trying to build a case against you and get you to admit guilt, they are trained to do this. Remember one thing, never admit anything to them, your ALWAYS Innocent.
Well in this case...they have the video.It wasn't about him not feeling safe, it was about him being PO'd at her for taping him, so he came up with a BS reason to arrest her and thought that she should immediately heed to his authority, regardless if she was breaking the law or not. They always try to make a situation out of nothing, when you get pulled over, right away they're trying to build a case against you and get you to admit guilt, they are trained to do this. Remember one thing, never admit anything to them, your ALWAYS Innocent.
racer8dan
[QUOTE="racer8dan"]Well in this case...they have the video.Yes, but just saying:PIt wasn't about him not feeling safe, it was about him being PO'd at her for taping him, so he came up with a BS reason to arrest her and thought that she should immediately heed to his authority, regardless if she was breaking the law or not. They always try to make a situation out of nothing, when you get pulled over, right away they're trying to build a case against you and get you to admit guilt, they are trained to do this. Remember one thing, never admit anything to them, your ALWAYS Innocent.
LJS9502_basic
Well I know she was not actually doing anything wrong, they were just creating something out of nothing. But what she should have done, was complied, then later file a complaint. She basically took the hard way of dealing with this. Sure she will not be charged, but she made herself go through an ordeal. Do what they say atm, but later file a report against the officer. Because lets be honest, the police officer could of ignored her, and nothing would of happened. As a person who is wanting to be a police officer, I call bs on the police officer.
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