Police Brutality, Lost Respect for the Police

Wow I just saw this video and man it disgusts me. Police, who are meant to protect and serve, are acting no better than the common criminal, and fact even worse given the oaths that they have given but they are breaking. Brutally beating up a suspect, and having absolutely no regard for the health of the other human. In some of the shots, it genuinely seems like they are doing this for fun/because they enjoy it, and because many wont be held accountable for it. For instance, with the example of the man on the motorcycle who could face up to 16 years in prison for video taping an officer while the officer was doing something "bad". Anyway OT what do you guys say? Imo this is disgusting, and another reason why I dont have a lot of respect for the common police officer (at least in the US, Canadian the ones here in Canada seem fine), some are poorly educated and violent individuals who cant do the job given to them properly.

Here is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XxlL0I5AWLI

You saw a video you didn't like and now every cop is stupid and violent. Makes sense.cheese_game619

I couldn't watch the whole thing because I start to get pissed off. There is a real problem in the US with the police. They need to start serving the public like they are supposed to.

A cop has to deal with s hit day in, day out, the likes of which would blow your mind (my cousin is a cop and I hear all the stories) - and you're telling me they're the bad guys for cracking under the pressure? You're either a saint or not walking a mile in their shoes.D3nnyCrane

It doesn't mean we can't understand why the do what they do, but defending that sort of action is ridiculous.

yeah you have a serious issue with your coppers on a power trip in america, why you don't have a camera strapped to every one of them by now I don't know.

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"]A cop has to deal with s hit day in, day out, the likes of which would blow your mind (my cousin is a cop and I hear all the stories) - and you're telling me they're the bad guys for cracking under the pressure? You're either a saint or not walking a mile in their shoes.junglist101

It doesn't mean we can't understand why the do what they do, but defending that sort of action is ridiculous.

not all cops are this horrible,but i will admit with their authority they are getting worse and worse with it

[QUOTE="Mafiree"]Most POs are poorly educated? Many departments require an associates degree and some even require a four year degree...... Please, understand what the hell you are talking about before riding your high horse into battle.jonathant5

If you have your own personal definition of what it means to be "educated", there is no point arguing.....

[QUOTE="jonathant5"][QUOTE="Mafiree"]Most POs are poorly educated? Many departments require an associates degree and some even require a four year degree...... Please, understand what the hell you are talking about before riding your high horse into battle.Mafiree

If you have your own personal definition of what it means to be "educated", there is no point arguing.....

Educated and intelligent are two different things and its intelligence not education that many police lack. Sadly, in many police forces, people become institutionalised and their moral compass is affected by those around them and what the service deems is acceptable and what can be gotten away with.

[QUOTE="jonathant5"][QUOTE="Mafiree"]Most POs are poorly educated? Many departments require an associates degree and some even require a four year degree...... Please, understand what the hell you are talking about before riding your high horse into battle.Mafiree

If you have your own personal definition of what it means to be "educated", there is no point arguing.....

[QUOTE="Mafiree"]

[QUOTE="jonathant5"] Having an associates degree does not mean someone is well educated, and from what I can tell most places either require a HS degree, or on top of that sometimes require 60 college credits (2 years) with a minimum GPA of 2.0 (should be at least 3.0 imo)...hmmm pretty sure in terms of that I was right. And I never said most are, but I am sure that a fairly substantial amount of the "regular/patrol cop" are. But that is besides the point, what really is the issue is the way they treated those people, the amount of violence and brutality shown. And I am sorry but an excuse such as "the pressure" is not enough, and I am sorry, but how could cops be in pressure to that extent where they crack. If they were in the Army and in a combat zone I would understand, but in this case, i am sorry but that simply does not work. jonathant5

If you have your own personal definition of what it means to be "educated", there is no point arguing.....

[QUOTE="jonathant5"][QUOTE="Mafiree"] Pretty sure you said most are poorly educated and violent in your OP.....

If you have your own personal definition of what it means to be "educated", there is no point arguing.....

Mafiree

Anyone can have a degree, be it a BA/BS/BCOM and etc, the difference is, how well they performed while in school, and even more importantly (imo) what school they went to. Yeah I agree, anyone can get a Bachelors by going to...for example Univ. of Phoenix, or Devry, or ITT Tech, and etc. What, at the end of the day matters when applying to a good job is A) Do you have a degree? B) What school die you get that degree at C) What was your GPA D) Your Resume and your previous experiences and E) The Letters of Recommendation. Anyway if someone has an Associates or hell even a Bachelors from some place such as ITT or even community colleges, they wont be taken seriously (or as seriously) by employers because the educational rigor and the difficulty of the system in such places can be a joke (not in all but in most). I realize that this is a trivial example, but I have several friends who flunked out at my Uni., went to a community college, and were acing the courses there. At the end of the day, getting a quality education and working hard is very important in the long run, an education can be the difference of making say a 100k+Benefits and Bonuses per year at 26ish, and 40k+Benefits and Bonuses at that same age.

Yeah, lets hate all those people whose job it is to keep us safe and enforce the rules, just because of isolated incidents involving police brutality from individuals who would act aggressive anyways.

Yep, this sounds like a totally not stupid thing to do.

terrible..

Yeah, lets hate all those people whose job it is to keep us safe and enforce the rules, just because of isolated incidents involving police brutality from individuals who would act aggressive anyways.

Yep, this sounds like a totally not stupid thing to do.

SPYDER0416

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Yeah, lets hate all those people whose job it is to keep us safe and enforce the rules, just because of isolated incidents involving police brutality from individuals who would act aggressive anyways.

Yep, this sounds like a totally not stupid thing to do.

jonathant5

This

yeah you have a serious issue with your coppers on a power trip in america, why you don't have a camera strapped to every one of them by now I don't know.

SapSacPrime

We don't, but videos on the internet can make it easy to jump to that conclusion. And without watching or commenting on this video itself I will say that most of these police "abuse" cases can be easily avoided by the "victim" (ie: when the officer tells you to stay in your car don't f*cking get out of the car and start walking toward him screaming profanities).

[QUOTE="SapSacPrime"]

yeah you have a serious issue with your coppers on a power trip in america, why you don't have a camera strapped to every one of them by now I don't know.

worlock77

We don't, but videos on the internet can make it easy to jump to that conclusion. And without watching or commenting on this video itself I will say that most of these police "abuse" cases can be easily avoided by the "victim" (ie: when the officer tells you to stay in your car don't f*cking get out of the car and start walking toward him screaming profanities).

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="SapSacPrime"]

yeah you have a serious issue with your coppers on a power trip in america, why you don't have a camera strapped to every one of them by now I don't know.

PernicioEnigma

We don't, but videos on the internet can make it easy to jump to that conclusion. And without watching or commenting on this video itself I will say that most of these police "abuse" cases can be easily avoided by the "victim" (ie: when the officer tells you to stay in your car don't f*cking get out of the car and start walking toward him screaming profanities).

It's not a matter of punishment, it's a matter of compliance. When the officer warns you against doing something and you persist in doing it then don't whine when you get tazed or bopped upside the head.

And I can't comment on the example you listed because of have no knowledge of it.

[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

We don't, but videos on the internet can make it easy to jump to that conclusion. And without watching or commenting on this video itself I will say that most of these police "abuse" cases can be easily avoided by the "victim" (ie: when the officer tells you to stay in your car don't f*cking get out of the car and start walking toward him screaming profanities).

worlock77

It's not a matter of punishment, it's a matter of compliance. When the officer warns you against doing something and you persist in doing it then don't whine when you get tazed or bopped upside the head.

And I can't comment on the example you listed because of have no knowledge of it.

you didn't watch the video, did you? Watch it...

Edit: The example I gave is in the video. I don't know the wider context of the situation, but I struggle to think what could possibly justify that response from the police.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"] I disagree. Sure, most of the people who are victims of police brutality acted like idiots, but it's not the job of the police to punish them how they see fit. Unless there's a real threat police shouldn't resort to such brutal violence. The examples in the video are clear cases of police abusing their power - just look how a swarm of cops rushed to that guy who was ejected from that crashed car and started beating him! He wasn't a threat, I'm not even sure he was conscious!

PernicioEnigma

It's not a matter of punishment, it's a matter of compliance. When the officer warns you against doing something and you persist in doing it then don't whine when you get tazed or bopped upside the head.

And I can't comment on the example you listed because of have no knowledge of it.

you didn't watch the video, did you? Watch it...

Edit: The example I gave is in the video. I don't know the wider context of the situation, but I struggle to think what could possibly justify that response from the police.

No, I did not watch the video, as I stated in my first post which you quoted. (I did not watch it as I'm not currently on a computer that has sound.)

[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

It's not a matter of punishment, it's a matter of compliance. When the officer warns you against doing something and you persist in doing it then don't whine when you get tazed or bopped upside the head.

And I can't comment on the example you listed because of have no knowledge of it.

worlock77

you didn't watch the video, did you? Watch it...

Edit: The example I gave is in the video. I don't know the wider context of the situation, but I struggle to think what could possibly justify that response from the police.

No, I did not watch the video, as I stated in my first post which you quoted. (I did not watch it as I'm not currently on a computer that has sound.)

If you decide to watch it you'll see the examples in the video aren't cases of police demanding compliance. PernicioEnigma

I watched the video and in several instances, it there were no instances of police brutality. As a matter of fact, one clip shows that while police where trying to handcuff another suspect, a second individual came and attacked one officer. He deserved to be smacked upside the head.

Still, I will not comment on most of the clips in said video as most cases, what is seen is actually one sided. No one knows what happened before said instances of preceived brutality. If someone posts an entire clip (not gonna happen really, everyone wants to share their own point of view even if it isn't the complete truth), then maybe. Did cops go overboard in several instances. It appears so, but again, what happened previously?

Only looked at the first two "incidents" and they were both justified. You attack a police officer with a deadly weapon, you will die. Simple as that. Didn't see anything wrong with the second either. Heard a bang, but I didn't see a cop shoot anybody.

Not really sure why you're complaining, TC.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Yeah, lets hate all those people whose job it is to keep us safe and enforce the rules, just because of isolated incidents involving police brutality from individuals who would act aggressive anyways.

Yep, this sounds like a totally not stupid thing to do.

jonathant5

You're on the internet filter. Everything bad from all parts of the country filter straight into you. You probably forget that there are around one million law enforcement officer currently working in the USA alone. They operate 24/7.

If you see even 100 or 200 incidents spanning the past 5 years, and that's a very generous amount, it's still tiny amount to the number of total times police have had to interact with people. Imagine if every deals with 3-5 incidents per shift, how many in a single year? It's hundreds.

On the internet you'll only see them being to brutal because that's what a lot of the websites out there want you to see. People hate any sort of law enforcement out of principle and the internet is a great tool for them to constantly portray the police in a bad light.

Only looked at the first two "incidents" and they were both justified. You attack a police officer with a deadly weapon, you will die. Simple as that. Didn't see anything wrong with the second either. Heard a bang, but I didn't see a cop shoot anybody.

Not really sure why you're complaining, TC.

airshocker

Many people on the internet don't understand the use of deadly force in any situation. You could be getting stabbed repeatedly, kill your offender, and somehow live, and people will STILL call you the brutal one.

People have nothing better to do with their lives than sit and make outrageous claims on the internet.

Even worse, when somebody pulls weapon on an officer and the offender ends up dead. Most people on the internet would rather just see the officer get wounded or killed and the offender unharmed.

Many people on the internet don't understand the use of deadly force in any situation. You could be getting stabbed repeatedly, kill your offender, and somehow live, and people will STILL call you the brutal one.

People have nothing better to do with their lives than sit and make outrageous claims on the internet.

Wasdie

Unfortunately true.

I respect the police. Sure, I'm sure there are some jerks that are cops, but most of them I've dealt with have been highly professional. It's a dangerous and high stress job with less than stellar pay. I aprreciate everything they do and so would you if you've ever been in a situation where there is no police presence. Anarchy sucks.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Only looked at the first two "incidents" and they were both justified. You attack a police officer with a deadly weapon, you will die. Simple as that. Didn't see anything wrong with the second either. Heard a bang, but I didn't see a cop shoot anybody.

Not really sure why you're complaining, TC.

Wasdie

Many people on the internet don't understand the use of deadly force in any situation. You could be getting stabbed repeatedly, kill your offender, and somehow live, and people will STILL call you the brutal one.

People have nothing better to do with their lives than sit and make outrageous claims on the internet.

i just saw a cop beat the crap out of a guy that was handcuffed and on the ground, so where was the deadly force at?infinite884

Got a video? If it's in the one that was just linked, at what time did that event happen?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Only looked at the first two "incidents" and they were both justified. You attack a police officer with a deadly weapon, you will die. Simple as that. Didn't see anything wrong with the second either. Heard a bang, but I didn't see a cop shoot anybody.

Not really sure why you're complaining, TC.

infinite884

Many people on the internet don't understand the use of deadly force in any situation. You could be getting stabbed repeatedly, kill your offender, and somehow live, and people will STILL call you the brutal one.

People have nothing better to do with their lives than sit and make outrageous claims on the internet.

What's your point? All cops are burtal?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Only looked at the first two "incidents" and they were both justified. You attack a police officer with a deadly weapon, you will die. Simple as that. Didn't see anything wrong with the second either. Heard a bang, but I didn't see a cop shoot anybody.

Not really sure why you're complaining, TC.

infinite884

Many people on the internet don't understand the use of deadly force in any situation. You could be getting stabbed repeatedly, kill your offender, and somehow live, and people will STILL call you the brutal one.

People have nothing better to do with their lives than sit and make outrageous claims on the internet.

[QUOTE="infinite884"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Many people on the internet don't understand the use of deadly force in any situation. You could be getting stabbed repeatedly, kill your offender, and somehow live, and people will STILL call you the brutal one.

People have nothing better to do with their lives than sit and make outrageous claims on the internet.

sonicare

[QUOTE="infinite884"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Many people on the internet don't understand the use of deadly force in any situation. You could be getting stabbed repeatedly, kill your offender, and somehow live, and people will STILL call you the brutal one.

People have nothing better to do with their lives than sit and make outrageous claims on the internet.

Wasdie

What's your point? All cops are burtal?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="infinite884"] i just saw a cop beat the crap out of a guy that was handcuffed and on the ground, so where was the deadly force at?infinite884

What's your point? All cops are burtal?

You're still not making a point. I've said earlier there are 1 million cops operating in the US who respond to million of calls and incidents each week. Things like that are going to happen. You just see them through a filter so you only see the 1 case gone wrong, usually out of context, and you miss out on the millions of peaceful encounters.

There's a reason the slang term "pigs" is so popular.

Not all police are like that and police forces are a necessity. However in a lot of cases, especially in police states like New York (where cops are notorious for being belligerent, rights-ignoring asshats - just take a look at the whole Muslim community thing in NYC), there's a serious issue. The "bad" police are the ones that are blatantly afraid of your rights since they impede their crude actions, and they try to obstruct them in any way possible. You can ask for their badge ID and name and record them if they do infringe on your rights. However a lot of the time these kinds of cops will get angry, issue threats, or possibly beat you. I've seen the former two happen a few times, although I've only heard about the latter...

I do feel like police education needs to be stepped up. Too often are the police so dense and ignorant that it often makes the situation worse. It's a problem when the lowest common denominator can become an officer of the law without any knowledge of the law.

EDIT: And the blatant fear-mongering in the US over nonexistent terrorism makes people think that the police need more power. There's a strong correlation between most of the "anti-terrorism" acts passed in the last ten years and police violence and law breaking on the enforcers' parts.

[QUOTE="infinite884"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

What's your point? All cops are burtal?

Wasdie

You're still not making a point. I've said earlier there are 1 million cops operating in the US who respond to million of calls and incidents each week. Things like that are going to happen. You just see them through a filter so you only see the 1 case gone wrong, usually out of context, and you miss out on the millions of peaceful encounters.

All the police must be bad!

I'm not someone who thinks that all police are like this....and I really couldn't care what sort of stuff a cop might have to deal with on a daily basis. They CLEARLY crossed the line on several occasions in that video. And any cop who feels the need to abuse their authority in such a way needs to either find a new line of work.....or....frankly, just shoot themselves.

the first incident was pretty messed up. The guy coming at one of the cops, but couldnt the cop just back away for a second and then try to take him down maybe?? idk.....if a guy was swinging an ax at me, i would probably shoot. Dont cops have tazers though? But regardless, nobody can deny that the last 5 shots were totally unnecessary, it looked like some sort of mafia hit. Ive never heard of cops unloading into a dead guy or half dead guy at least.

i believe the vast majority of police are good people trying their best to do good in horrible situations.

now with that being said i also believe every single encounter you are in with police has the potential to be life threatening and you should treat every one as a survival situation.

my motto with the police is expect the best, prepare for the worst.

the first incident was pretty messed up. The guy coming at one of the cops, but couldnt the cop just back away for a second and then try to take him down maybe?? idk.....if a guy was swinging an ax at me, i would probably shoot. Dont cops have tazers though? But regardless, nobody can deny that the last 5 shots were totally unnecessary, it looked like some sort of mafia hit. Ive never heard of cops unloading into a dead guy or half dead guy at least.

BossPerson

There's no way a cop would back up and try and get his tazer out when someone is coming at him with an ax.

If you've never been in a position to have to shoot at anybody, you have no idea what it's like.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

the first incident was pretty messed up. The guy coming at one of the cops, but couldnt the cop just back away for a second and then try to take him down maybe?? idk.....if a guy was swinging an ax at me, i would probably shoot. Dont cops have tazers though? But regardless, nobody can deny that the last 5 shots were totally unnecessary, it looked like some sort of mafia hit. Ive never heard of cops unloading into a dead guy or half dead guy at least.

airshocker

There's no way a cop would back up and try and get his tazer out when someone is coming at him with an ax.

If you've never been in a position to have to shoot at anybody, you have no idea what it's like.